FL FL - Austin Stephanos & Perry Cohen, both 14, Jupiter, 24 July 2015 - #1

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I agree, I read the peition. It is demanding. I feel for the families, I really do. But, from the start I have felt the parents contined to change their stories to look better. First, the boys were not allowed on the ocean, then they were, but not too far out. They absolutely were not going to the Bahamas, but all social media from the boys states they were. It has been stated time and time again how "seasoned" they were on the water, yet they were the only ones headed out to sea during the storm while all the other "adult" boat captains were high tailing it back to the shore.

A mature thought process, understanding of not being invincible, and reactions to emergencies are not developed in a 14 year old. It was also suggested by a few that it was common to tell their parents one destination, and then they would go where ever they wanted. But, don't most adolescents do that? Why is everyone shocked?

Take responsibility, admit that the boys did not have the proper development or equipment to deal with an emergency. Use this as an oppurtunity to prevent this in the future. They have the resources to make a really difference.
 
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Amo630 said:
I agree, I read the peition. It is demanding. I feel for the families, I really do. But, from the start I have felt the parents contined to change their stories to look better.

A mature thought process, understanding of not being invincible, and reactions to emergencies are not developed in a 14 year old. It was also suggested by a few that it was common to tell their parents one destination, and then they would go where ever they wanted. But, don't most adolescents do that? Why is everyone shocked?

Take responsibility, admit that the boys did not have the proper development or equipment to deal with an emergency. Use this as an oppurtunity to prevent this in the future. They have the resources to make a really difference.
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I feel the same.
 
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Its a tragic accident and cant be undone.
the coast guard IMO did an awesome Job!
 
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BoggLed in Ohio said:
Did you see the latest ? The boat is lost at sea again ! Crazy ! That's a real shame, and I'm actually surprised they didn't tow it in sooner and search it for clues (maybe their phones are still there and are waterproof and could have last texts or pics they took as clues ) http://cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/austin-perrys-boat-lost-at-sea-28015.shtml?wap=0
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Does this seem strange to anyone? Maybe someone towed it in to check for more clues about fuel levels, etc. If there was only one exploratory dive by the CG, then why does the family keep making new flyers with different items missing from the boat?
 
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Doesn't surprise me at all. It was not the Coast Guard's responsibility to secure it. They searched it, found out what they needed to know, and marked it as a hazzard with the buoy. The family or their insurance company should have sent somebody right away. My guess is a salvage company towed it in or it is on its way to Ireland.

The FB page is going to go batshit crazy over this news.
 
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ZL27 said:
Doesn't surprise me at all. It was not the Coast Guard's responsibility to secure it. They searched it, found out what they needed to know, and marked it as a hazzard with the buoy. The family or their insurance company should have sent somebody right away. My guess is a salvage company towed it in or it is on its way to Ireland.

The FB page is going to go batshit crazy over this news.
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Yes the FB pages are flipping out to a whole new level of crazy about this wow! I do hope we hear later on that maybe a salavage company was hired to bring it in and nobody from the families said anything about it yet. It's just so sad that not a trace of them has been found and most likely never will now .
 
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Amo630 said:
I agree, I read the peition. It is demanding. I feel for the families, I really do. But, from the start I have felt the parents contined to change their stories to look better. First, the boys were not allowed on the ocean, then they were, but not too far out. They absolutely were not going to the Bahamas, but all social media from the boys states they were. It has been stated time and time again how "seasoned" they were on the water, yet they were the only ones headed out to sea during the storm while all the other "adult" boat captains were high tailing it back to the shore.

A mature thought process, understanding of not being invincible, and reactions to emergencies are not developed in a 14 year old. It was also suggested by a few that it was common to tell their parents one destination, and then they would go where ever they wanted. But, don't most adolescents do that? Why is everyone shocked?

Take responsibility, admit that the boys did not have the proper development or equipment to deal with an emergency. Use this as an oppurtunity to prevent this in the future. They have the resources to make a really difference.
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... and spending those resources at the clip of $100,000/day now vs. putting towards education for others.

Their decision, just fact.
 
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BoggLed in Ohio said:
Did you see the latest ? The boat is lost at sea again ! Crazy ! That's a real shame, and I'm actually surprised they didn't tow it in sooner and search it for clues (maybe their phones are still there and are waterproof and could have last texts or pics they took as clues ) http://cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/austin-perrys-boat-lost-at-sea-28015.shtml?wap=0
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Is consensus/your opinion that the coast guard divers didn't inspect the glove compartments while still in the water and did not? Your opinion that the coast guard should have uprighted the boat and towed it? For what clues? Murder? Kidnapping? (don't know if you are thinking like those on fb saying "they didn't tow in and investigate as could have had bullet holes .. smh.... etc. )

We saw little footage of the coast guard diver, and I would expect that they did more investigation than the edited portions we saw.

Burial at sea :moo: of the boat is appropriate.

I'm wondering if the family didn't spend some of the $400,000 on having someone go to tow it in, but (perhaps knowing full well/should have known) the coast guard let it "go" when the search was up or before.

The original reporter of that story said they did have confirmation from the Coast Guard, and will update at 3&5 today this story fwiw.
 
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I had been wondering about the boat.
Does anyone know the usual protocols for capsized boats or is it different depending on situation?

This boat was relatively inexpensive considering most ocean faring vessels are much larger and more expensive.

So I was wondering why there was not much discussion on trying to get it back to shore when it was first spotted and began to wonder if it was due to its smaller size and value to repair.

Does anybody know if it is fairly common to abandon a relatively inexpensive smaller type boat like that?

Maybe it is fairly common instead of spending resources to try to toe it back and then have to rightside it as well as drain it and dry it out and repair any water damage. It may have been very costly to even try to repair it to get it sea worthy again.

I have no idea what the protocols are for something like this and who is responsible for retrieving it?
There has to be protocols for this.
 
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BoggLed in Ohio said:
Did you see the latest ? The boat is lost at sea again ! Crazy ! That's a real shame, and I'm actually surprised they didn't tow it in sooner and search it for clues (maybe their phones are still there and are waterproof and could have last texts or pics they took as clues ) http://cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/austin-perrys-boat-lost-at-sea-28015.shtml?wap=0
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What the hay!
You would think thy towed it in sooner. Just to see what all was on or in it!
But I guess the divers did their thing!
 
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Hatfield said:
I had been wondering about the boat.
Does anyone know the usual protocols for capsized boats or is it different depending on situation?

This boat was relatively inexpensive considering most ocean faring vessels are much larger and more expensive.

So I was wondering why there was not much discussion on trying to get it back to shore when it was first spotted and began to wonder if it was due to its smaller size and value to repair.

Does anybody know if it is fairly common to abandon a relatively inexpensive smaller type boat like that?

Maybe it is fairly common instead of spending resources to try to toe it back and then have to rightside it as well as drain it and dry it out and repair any water damage. It may have been very costly to even try to repair it to get it sea worthy again.
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Im wondering,,,are the boats owners responsible for towing the boat in?
 
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Ok, I really know nothing about boats so excuse me if rhis is a really stupid question but is it possible that the boat just sank?

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Eileen730 said:
Im wondering,,,are the boats owners responsible for towing the boat in?
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Im wondering too who is responsible for retrieval.
There has to be some sort of protocol for this since it happens often enough where a boat capsizes.
 
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Alice253 said:
Ok, I really know nothing about boats so excuse me if rhis is a really stupid question but is it possible that the boat just sank?

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I dont know for sure but would take a guess that its a possibility since only a portion of the bottom was showing above water level. Others that know more about those types of boats will most likely be able to confirm or not whether it could have sunk.

It also could have drifted with the Gulf Stream I think because I dont think they were able to anchor it to bottom due to depth.
 
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Hatfield said:
Im wondering too who is responsible for retrieval.
There has to be some sort of protocol for this since it happens often enough where a boat capsizes.
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See I thought it was the boats owners responsibility Its not the coast guards.
And if they don't tow it Its an abandoned boat.
 
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Eileen730 said:
See I thought it was the boats owners responsibility Its not the coast guards.
And if they don't tow it Its an abandoned boat.
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You are absolutely correct. As an abandoned vessel in international waters, international salvage laws apply.
 
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The family really needs to delete the FB page. The rabid fascination of the posters is morbid.
 
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