GUILTY FL - Bodies of couple, 2 sons found along turnpike, Port St Lucie, 13 Oct 2006

[reb]

they might never be caught. if it's a coyote who did this as a warning to others who don't pay him fast enough, he could very well by over the border by now & long gone, with no trail. you think these guys have authentic ID's or social security numbers?? HA! yeah right. anyway i can't think of any other reason someone would shoot an entire family in this particular scenario. if this is what happened, be preapred to see more & more of these brutal crimes in the near future (and things like the recent 'truck-dragging death' of the woman by her illegal alien boyfriend), since the USA is too spineless and impotent to do anything about our borders. not that these things can't & don't happen anyway.. but it's just gonna become a LOT more common... you just watch. crimes (including child kidnappings/assaults/rapes/murders) have already been inreasing because of our lax immigration policy (or, lack of a policy),, 'down there'. but we just gotta have that cheap labor no matter what the cost.... so, i guess nothing will be done.

 

[Amraann]

they might never be caught. if it's a coyote who did this as a warning to others who don't pay him fast enough, he could very well by over the border by now & long gone, with no trail. you think these guys have authentic ID's or social security numbers?? HA! yeah right. anyway i can't think of any other reason someone would shoot an entire family in this particular scenario. if this is what happened, be preapred to see more & more of these brutal crimes in the near future (and things like the recent 'truck-dragging death' of the woman by her illegal alien boyfriend), since the USA is too spineless and impotent to do anything about our borders. not that these things can't & don't happen anyway.. but it's just gonna become a LOT more common... you just watch. crimes (including child kidnappings/assaults/rapes/murders) have already been inreasing because of our lax immigration policy (or, lack of a policy),, 'down there'. but we just gotta have that cheap labor no matter what the cost.... so, i guess nothing will be done.

I have not read anything indicating this family was here illigally.

I don't know how the police can rule out a car jacking.
I wonder if they picked up a hitchhiker?

 

[Trino]

I wonder if the father is the same Jose Luis Escobedo who was affiliated with Vicente Escobedo, the boxer. He is from CA but may have spent time in Brownsville, if I am not mistaken, and has an older brother named Jose Luis. One would think the police could easily find Vincente if he is family.

 

[Alice253]

Here's a link to pictures of the family.

http://postpix.palmbeachpost.com/pages/gallery.php?gallery=308812

 

[julianne]

i never said all hispanics are illegals. obviously, they are not. or that they deserved it. i just said that's what my guess about this case was.

What is it about this case that makes you THINK that they were here illegally?

 

[ISPTRAX]

Here's a link to pictures of the family.

http://postpix.palmbeachpost.com/pages/gallery.php?gallery=308812

That just breaks my heart to see them there as a family. I am going to stay tuned to this one to see what happened. That poor family and those poor boys with their Mamma trying to protect them

 

[Cheetah]

they might never be caught. if it's a coyote who did this as a warning to others who don't pay him fast enough, he could very well by over the border by now & long gone, with no trail. you think these guys have authentic ID's or social security numbers?? HA! yeah right. anyway i can't think of any other reason someone would shoot an entire family in this particular scenario. if this is what happened, be preapred to see more & more of these brutal crimes in the near future (and things like the recent 'truck-dragging death' of the woman by her illegal alien boyfriend), since the USA is too spineless and impotent to do anything about our borders. not that these things can't & don't happen anyway.. but it's just gonna become a LOT more common... you just watch. crimes (including child kidnappings/assaults/rapes/murders) have already been inreasing because of our lax immigration policy (or, lack of a policy),, 'down there'. but we just gotta have that cheap labor no matter what the cost.... so, i guess nothing will be done.

Again...... there is no evidence that this family was here illegally.

How do you know they don't have valid social security numbers or authentic ID's? Do you know them???????

The sad death of this family has nothing to do with our Immigration Policy

 

[scandi]

I started thinking about why in the world someone would kill the children. The only thing I can come up with is that the killer must have been known to the children by name. Even a 3-year-old is capable of telling police who shot his parents if he knows the guy's name already.

The senselessness of it is just heartbreaking. The killer gonna's be caught anyway. The police are probably much more determined to catch him BECAUSE he killed the children.

What a brave mother. She did everything she could to protect her babies. I wish every child had a parent that loved them like that.

It is heartwarming right now to see a wonderful mother like this after other stories we have read.

I don't really agree with you that this killer will be caught. It is true that if they locate the car it will yield evidence. But if the killer is a Mexican and has street wiles as many do that don't have papers {or real ID}, his prints probably won't be in a data base, and these guys have an inate sense on how to hide. Sometimes they do get caught, like the man who killed transients riding in rail cars, but I don't think it is the norm.


Scandi

 

[PrayersForMaura]

No doubt about that, but some folks can't seem to help themselves.

Yes, and what some people fail to recognize is that Hispanics are the number one minority in this country. They are very family-oriented, have several children and work hard for their money. They have a lot of buying power. They are not stupid and most are bilingual.
They're not all "poor mexicans" as many like to think they are, which is just an ignorant prejudice.
In fact, since Hispanics are so family-oriented and many in the White race are all about working these days and not having a lot of kids, they will be the majority in 50 years and we will be a minority.

Included in the Hispanic population are Latinos, too.
Many sports athletes are Latino/Hispanic. They certainly make a lot of money!

 

[Cypros]

Those two boys are so adorable -- posing with their arms in the gator's mouth (lol!). I am saddened by the racist assumptions of an illegal status due to the fact that they are hispanic. All I can think about is the sick who would do this to a family, any family.

 

[scandi]

That just breaks my heart to see them there as a family. I am going to stay tuned to this one to see what happened. That poor family and those poor boys with their Mamma trying to protect them

Hi ISPTRAX, I heard on Fox I believe that it is thought the father was killed first. He was lying on his back in front of the rest.

The mother and boys were all in fetal positions with heads down and her arms encircling them. They said she knew they were all in danger for their lives and that is all she could do to protect them.

So sad. The Dad might have been a hero too as he was standing in front of them, we don't know. He looks like a really nice guy. But the mother died with her arms around her boys so we know she was a hero.

Don't you wonder why someone would do this - the motivation. It wouldn't be a coyote in Fl. I'm thinking the killer had a beef with the father and since the others could ID him - or maybe them - he shot each of the rest in the head to make sure they would never be able to talk. Had to be over money, drugs or sex, don't you think. Sorry for the generalization, but it is the only reasons I can see.

Scandi

 

[reb]

<Again...... there is no evidence that this family was here illegally.>

and again,,,,,, i said-- that was my *GUESS*.

How do you know they don't have valid social security numbers or authentic ID's? Do you know them???????

no, i don't know any coyotes/human smugglers,, but gee, i wonder why i think they don't usually carry a valid U.S. driver's license, ID, social security card, car insurance,, passport.....???? hhmmm.. but go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt, if you wish.

<The sad death of this family has nothing to do with our Immigration Policy>

how do you know? it very well might.

 

[reb]

cypros- and i didn't invent these problems-- just making an observation about them.

nobody's saying the kids weren't adorable, that hispanic families aren't hard-working family people (wow, THERE'S a stereotype if i ever heard one!), that there aren't many well-known successful mexican-americans,, blah blah blah. of COURSE there are. that's not what this is about. it's about an entire family that was cruelly murdered. my point was about what very well may have been the cause, and if you don't like it, then don't shoot the messenger, these things go on whether you all like them or not, don't blame me for bringing the problem out in the open. if you get upset about it, get offended, take it personally, and say i'm being racist then i guess we should all just go bury our heads back in the sand and not talk about it. but mark my words, if we continue to be in denial about it all and avoid the subject for fear of appearing 'racially insensitive' by speaking the truth... then it's going to continue to get worse.

who knows why it happened & i guess we will find out soon enough. but the odds are in favor of this (or something similar), IMO. if not, then a second guess would be drug-related... somebody turned somebody in or something like that.

i will be very surprised if it turns out to be something totally random... with murders like this that's not usually the case.

 

[Beyond Belief]

This is probably more complex than we realize. At first I thought, well, maybe they knew something about someone who was afraid they would reveal the truth about them. Now I am not so sure. They're just a young family that seems to have made a career/lifestyle move. I am wondering if there is something from the past that surfaced. What kind of animal does things like this? I hope they locate that person/persons quickly.

Prayers for these little ones and their family.

 

[concernedperson]

Honestly, I think it was random. Some punk wanted a few bucks and didn't value their lives.Could be gang related (initiation). The worst is MS-13...bad or no values.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Do you thnk maybe someone ran them off the road and stole the car? I thought LE was acting like someone was with them.

 

[IdahoMom]

they might never be caught. if it's a coyote who did this as a warning to others who don't pay him fast enough, he could very well by over the border by now & long gone, with no trail.

What is a coyote?

 

[concernedperson]

Do you thnk maybe someone ran them off the road and stole the car? I thought LE was acting like someone was with them.

I think you are speaking to me so I will answer.Could have been a placement in the vehicle unbeknownest to them. Helping out someone who needed a ride.Then the assault happened. It still rings gang initiation to me. It is especially cold like someone acting outside of themselves.JMO.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I think you are speaking to me so I will answer.Could have been a placement in the vehicle unbeknownest to them. Helping out someone who needed a ride.Then the assault happened. It still rings gang initiation to me. It is especially cold like someone acting outside of themselves.JMO.

I was CP.
Its just the location is so out of the way. I would like to know where they were traveling from. There is absolutely nothing out in that area. Their location was at least two hours south on the turnpike from Orlando and the entrances to the turnpike south of Orlando are remote areas. Very strange.

 

[reb]

wow,, high school sweethearts.. how sad.

so, they are from an area near brownsville TX (border town)... lots of bad stuff going on there as with laredo, mcallen, etc.. a huge crime wave has been taking over these areas, drug lords rule,, corruption, extortion, etc.. and law enforcement just can't control it. lots of kidnappings, murders, people who just 'disappear',, and it hardly ever makes the national news, if ever. lots of working & middle-class families being pushed into the states (or further into the states). maybe some connection with what is going on there-- like the father stood up to a relative or someone who was involved in something bad, and maybe they moved to get away from it? then this person came to visit them, and did this?

but if it IS random.... wow. that's pretty extreme, even for a 'gang initiation'.