GUILTY FL - Bodies of couple, 2 sons found along turnpike, Port St Lucie, 13 Oct 2006
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The car was traveling south, but who knows where the family was when were kidnapped, especially now that it looks like drugs may have been involved.
When Jose Luis called family in Brownsville, he did not indicate the family had travel plans that night, but, of course, maybe he just didn't mention it, or maybe he wasn't home when he called. The family could have been anywhere before being executed. The bodies were found about 60 miles north of their home; the abandoned car was found about 15 miles north of their home.
How does FL do turnpike entrance ticketing? Does a driver take a ticket, or do they have face-to-face transactions? It appears that exiting is face-to-face.
I have been surfing for information - not much on the car, except the radio had been stripped and the back seat was torn up. If the West Palm Beach area is as rough as some say, the car could have been vandalized after being abandoned, complicating the investigation. It's been mentioned that maybe they were at Disney. If that's so, there should be evidence: souvenirs, etc., although I've not heard this mentioned.
When Jose Luis called family in Brownsville, he did not indicate the family had travel plans that night, but, of course, maybe he just didn't mention it, or maybe he wasn't home when he called. The family could have been anywhere before being executed. The bodies were found about 60 miles north of their home; the abandoned car was found about 15 miles north of their home.
How does FL do turnpike entrance ticketing? Does a driver take a ticket, or do they have face-to-face transactions? It appears that exiting is face-to-face.
I have been surfing for information - not much on the car, except the radio had been stripped and the back seat was torn up. If the West Palm Beach area is as rough as some say, the car could have been vandalized after being abandoned, complicating the investigation. It's been mentioned that maybe they were at Disney. If that's so, there should be evidence: souvenirs, etc., although I've not heard this mentioned.
Me again. I guess I'm obsessed with this case.
The Port St. Lucie online news has a forum about this case. The last post states that the word on the street is the Zetas are involved. Below is info about the Zetas. Wow.
http://www.alipac.us/article351.html
The Port St. Lucie online news has a forum about this case. The last post states that the word on the street is the Zetas are involved. Below is info about the Zetas. Wow.
http://www.alipac.us/article351.html
Okay, maybe that web site wasn't the best choice, so here's a more legitimate one, KOLD news, Channel 13. The Zetas were trained by the Mexican Army. It says about the same thing but not as explicit.
I thought the end of the world was Serano 13, but Zetas make Serano 13 look like school kids.
I found a bit more info... The Escobedos lived in Fairway Isles, a gated golf community in Greenacres. I found two homes for sale there, one at $399,000; another at $420,000. The Escobedos were renting at $1650.00 per month, if I recall correctly. It would be interesting to talk to the landlord about renting to someone with no job.
I thought the end of the world was Serano 13, but Zetas make Serano 13 look like school kids.
I found a bit more info... The Escobedos lived in Fairway Isles, a gated golf community in Greenacres. I found two homes for sale there, one at $399,000; another at $420,000. The Escobedos were renting at $1650.00 per month, if I recall correctly. It would be interesting to talk to the landlord about renting to someone with no job.
I don't know about obsessed, but scanning those PSL forums, your dedication is something else. Like looking through a garbage dump for clues---there sure is a lot pf disgusting crap one has to look at before finding something worthwihile...some truly unpleasant folks posting there.Trino said:
In any case, I definitely appreciate your continued interest/updates. Thanks, Trino. I've not seen this posted here yet. From yesterday's Palm Beach Post. Maybe one of the brother's 'associates' was looking for him and thought the family knew where he was/is?
I agree it had to be drug related.....someone probably did something to the Zetas & it was retaliation. Not many people would rent a house for $1650. per month & not have a job........money had to of been coming from some place to pay the bills.
I found the articles very interesting! :clap:
I found the articles very interesting! :clap:
this just goes to show that drug dealers can (and do) have wives and kids and have the normal house, the family life, etc.. sure they love their kids and may be "family oriented people" but that doesn't mean that they're not criminals who are breaking the law, bringing drugs and violence into this country and causing an extra burden on law enforcement, and further deteriorating our neighborhoods and quality of life. but of course, nothing's going to be done about it... at least,, not with this spineless government we have now. they're too busy pouring billions of dollars into iraq and other places while our neglecting our own country, the very place and people they're supposedly defending!!
I agree after this story that LE is in left field. Why the extra security? Does LE suspect dealers other than his brother might show up?
If I were a resident of the gate community where the Escobedo family was renting, I would be all over the landlord. What landlord rents to a family where neither adult has a job? They probably didn't have a bank account either if he was involved in drugs.
How much do you think Jose had stashed away, maybe in that house. He must have had $ somewhere.
If I were a resident of the gate community where the Escobedo family was renting, I would be all over the landlord. What landlord rents to a family where neither adult has a job? They probably didn't have a bank account either if he was involved in drugs.
How much do you think Jose had stashed away, maybe in that house. He must have had $ somewhere.
<What landlord rents to a family where neither adult has a job?>
a landlord who gets bribed by the drug-dealing applicant.
or, a landlord that is also involved in drug dealing.
and as for realtors selling to dealers.... this is one thing that burns me up. how hard-working individuals who play by the rules can't get a house unless they have 2 or 3 years of steady documented income, and are struggling to make ends meet in today's depressed economy (and it's kind of hard to get ahead when you're paying rent for years & not investing in your own home!) but, a realtor will take a wad of cash and from an obvious drug dealer- who got a no-doc loan- in a heartbeat. they get their money & couldn't care less what happens to the neighborhood, or the country.
a landlord who gets bribed by the drug-dealing applicant.
or, a landlord that is also involved in drug dealing.
and as for realtors selling to dealers.... this is one thing that burns me up. how hard-working individuals who play by the rules can't get a house unless they have 2 or 3 years of steady documented income, and are struggling to make ends meet in today's depressed economy (and it's kind of hard to get ahead when you're paying rent for years & not investing in your own home!) but, a realtor will take a wad of cash and from an obvious drug dealer- who got a no-doc loan- in a heartbeat. they get their money & couldn't care less what happens to the neighborhood, or the country.
Wasn't it previously discussed on this thread that there may have been income from other sources such as lottery winning, inheritence, etc....?
I know that income from a trust is easy to document for credit matters. The bank or institution managing the trust issues a statement verifying how much is issued and on what date each month.
I know that income from a trust is easy to document for credit matters. The bank or institution managing the trust issues a statement verifying how much is issued and on what date each month.
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>this is one thing that burns me up. how hard-working individuals who play by the rules can't get a house unless they have 2 or 3 years of steady documented income, and are struggling to make ends meet in today's depressed economy (and it's kind of hard to get ahead when you're paying rent for years & not investing in your own home!) <
Reb, where do you get your facts? A depressed economy? Good grief! The economy is booming and unemployment is extremely low. Stock market making record gains.
I'm trying to follow this thread and you continue to try and turn this into a political hit job. If you have beefs about the current administration I believe there is a political thread on WB.
Reb, where do you get your facts? A depressed economy? Good grief! The economy is booming and unemployment is extremely low. Stock market making record gains.
I'm trying to follow this thread and you continue to try and turn this into a political hit job. If you have beefs about the current administration I believe there is a political thread on WB.
I think those were just theoretical possibilities someone offered in response to the idea that the *only* way the family could afford the rent w/no regular employment was drug-dealing. I don't believe it's at all been established (at least publicly) where their money came from (though, admittedly, the idea that the source of those funds is related to the narcotics trade doesn't seem completely without foundation, either).mfmangel1 said:
That's certainly one possibility. There's a number of directions I could see this going in. It's even concievable (if rather improbable/Hollywoodish) that it was mistaken identity. One can at least wonder if the the brother's birthday being the same day as the killing and just one day before his brother's birthday, plus the two looking nearly identical is somehow tied in.Boyz_Mum said:
A few more details that haven't been posted, from the San Antonio Express-News here
Thank you. As a real newbie around here I didn't want to come across like a jackass, but, well, exactly.Sherlockmom said:
Thanks for the link you provided, Kawika. That provided a lot of information. I don't think your scenario you pose is too out there either. The brothers looking so much alike and their ages so close, it's very plausible it was a mistaken identity killing. I hope they can figure this case out and catch the responsible parties. The mental picture of a mother trying to protect her children til death is something I can't shake out of my head.
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Okay, I have kind of been following this case. I think one of the articles said that the owner of the home had not met the occupants and all of the dealings were done through a realtor. If this is the case, wouldn't you think that a realtor would qualify the renters to ensure that they had the money to rent? I haven't rented in a while; so, perhaps, the $3,000 security deposit was good enough to get them into the home.
The family was getting the money from somewhere. This kind of money was not likely saved from the low paying jobs that the two adults had.
It does seem that the entire family slaughter was meant to send a message to someone. Perhaps, the father was in the gang and selling drugs until he could get enough money to start over somewhere with his family. The gang killed him for trying to get out. You know, sort of like the Sopranos...they don't just let you out of the "family." You are in for life and have to keep selling/working for them or you will get killed because you know all of the "family" secrets.
Or, could the father have been a government informant? This seems less likely because you think that he would have been protected.
Last guess: Perhaps, the gang was sending a message to his brother. Maybe, the brother didn't really escape from prison. Maybe, he became an informant for the government. So, this was actually a message to him saying, "Hey, we know what you are up to; and we will kill all of your family until we find you."
ETA: One more idea: Could the escaped brother (Jose Manuel) have been feeding info to the Feds via the murdered brother (Jose Luis)? This would account for Jose Luis being on the cell phone at various hours outside of his home. Jose Manuel could have been receiving money and sent it to his brother to use or the Feds could have been paying Jose Luis directly for the info.
Just brainstorming here.
The family was getting the money from somewhere. This kind of money was not likely saved from the low paying jobs that the two adults had.
It does seem that the entire family slaughter was meant to send a message to someone. Perhaps, the father was in the gang and selling drugs until he could get enough money to start over somewhere with his family. The gang killed him for trying to get out. You know, sort of like the Sopranos...they don't just let you out of the "family." You are in for life and have to keep selling/working for them or you will get killed because you know all of the "family" secrets.
Or, could the father have been a government informant? This seems less likely because you think that he would have been protected.
Last guess: Perhaps, the gang was sending a message to his brother. Maybe, the brother didn't really escape from prison. Maybe, he became an informant for the government. So, this was actually a message to him saying, "Hey, we know what you are up to; and we will kill all of your family until we find you."
ETA: One more idea: Could the escaped brother (Jose Manuel) have been feeding info to the Feds via the murdered brother (Jose Luis)? This would account for Jose Luis being on the cell phone at various hours outside of his home. Jose Manuel could have been receiving money and sent it to his brother to use or the Feds could have been paying Jose Luis directly for the info.
Just brainstorming here.
nan-- your last couple paragraphs... wow, good thinking!
sherlock & kawika-- sorry if things i said offended you, just trying to get at the root of the problem(s) here... which are real issues that a lot of people don't want to hear about. but i will try to steer those issues away from here & into the political thread in the future.
sherlock & kawika-- sorry if things i said offended you, just trying to get at the root of the problem(s) here... which are real issues that a lot of people don't want to hear about. but i will try to steer those issues away from here & into the political thread in the future.
