GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #1

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Good grief, do any 12 prescription meds "mesh"? That sounds like way too many, or at least too many not to have been monitoring her all the time, especially if it was known that the meds did not "mesh."
 
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Good grief, do any 12 prescription meds "mesh"? That sounds like way too many, or at least too many not to have been monitoring her all the time, especially if it was known that the meds did not "mesh."

And then to mix them with alcohol???
 
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A Florida statute lists 15 "aggravators" that prosecutors can present in support of the death penalty. Juries weigh those against "mitigators" presented by the defense.

Some Tampa lawyers said Friday that prosecutors could present several possible aggravators in the case against Schenecker. They could argue that the shootings were premeditated, that they were committed simultaneously, that the victims were children and that Schenecker was their caretaker.

"Those four are very strong," said attorney Lyann Goudie, "and only one aggravator can do it."

At the time of the shootings, Schenecker was being treated for depression, bipolar disorder and substance abuse. Detectives found numerous prescribed medications in the house. A close friend told them that the medicines were not "meshing."

Fraser, Schenecker's public defender, hasn't indicated which mitigators he would cite or whether he will use an insanity defense. One Tampa defense attorney, Grady Irvin, believes that may be her best defense. "Mental state is always an issue," he said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...-death-penalty-in-mothers-murder-case/1185712
 
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Here is an article with some pictures I hadn't seen yet. I wish we could get the whole doc dump though.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=202683

From your link above:


According to the documents, police say they when found Julie inside the home, she reeked of alcohol, could hardly stand up, and was mumbling incoherently. A new interview with her husband Parker, reveals she had battled depression, drugs, and alcohol for more than 10 years and had recently been in a rehab facility.

Close friends of Julie's told investigators she had a problem with pain pills and they lost touch with her in the weeks leading up to the shootings.
 
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Schenecker: ex-husband negligent

Attorneys for a Florida woman accused of killing her two teenage children say her ex-husband was negligent to leave them in the mentally ill woman's care.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/schenecker-ex-husband-negligent-12052011

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand he has admitted to knowing that she was mentally ill and that she had a problem with drugs. So even though he wasn't leaving voluntarily, he was leaving under orders he did know what he was leaving the children to.

The defense attorneys are saying he owed it to his wife to provide care for her. But he also owed it to his children most of all.
 
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While watching the Dee Dee Moore trial online, the moderator from TBO in the chat room posted that they will be covering 2 court cases online. One of those cases will be Julie Schenecker's trail. Just thought I would give a heads up in case anyone is interested in following along online.

I am sure Tampa Bay Online will announce their coverage when it begins. They used Livestream to stream the Moore case so I would assume that is where the trials will be shown. The link to the Livestream for TBO is here ....

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/2171366

*The other case he was referring to was the Dante Morris case where 2 Tampa policemen were shot while doing a routine stop. Both officers died in that case. *
 
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Schenecker: ex-husband negligent

Attorneys for a Florida woman accused of killing her two teenage children say her ex-husband was negligent to leave them in the mentally ill woman's care.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/schenecker-ex-husband-negligent-12052011

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand he has admitted to knowing that she was mentally ill and that she had a problem with drugs. So even though he wasn't leaving voluntarily, he was leaving under orders he did know what he was leaving the children to.

The defense attorneys are saying he owed it to his wife to provide care for her. But he also owed it to his children most of all.

Considering that she was under the care of military doctors, if they had deemed her unfit to care for the children he would not have been deployed on those orders. Given her mental health history she would have been in the Exceptional Family Member Plan for medical care and her doctors would be mandated to report to her husbands chain of command if she were a threat to herself or others. So while I agree she should not have been taking care of them, it wasn't apparent enough to the medical professionals treating her to prevent him from going on the deployment. Plus the military has social workers and family services that are in place for these types of situations that she could have and should have been used under direct order. There also should have been someone aside from the mother listed as a guardian and caregiver for the children in the husbands family care plan that could be implemented within 48 hours while the children were under military licensed care supervision if it were deemed necessary. So nice try to her defense lawyer, I'm not buying it. IMO


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Can we add her name to the thread title for easy reference?
 
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Dan Zupansky interview with Diane Fanning, author of Sleep, My Darlings. I'm new to this case and I don't know how closely the author held to the facts. She strikes me as a pretty compassionate true crime author.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dan-zupansky1/2013/07/02/sleep-my-darlings-diane-fanning

Thanks for posting this. I have been fascinated by this one since the day I read about it. I have a much better understanding of what Julia's history and state of mind was like on that awful day, and the dynamics of the family. Very, very sad situation, and I have to say that after listening to the show, I have much more empathy towards Julie. Not excusing what she did, but at least understanding her situation and what might have driven her to commit those unthinkable acts of violence on her own children. :twocents:

Looking forward to the trial. RIP Beau and Calyx.
 
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Dan Zupansky interview with Diane Fanning, author of Sleep, My Darlings. I'm new to this case and I don't know how closely the author held to the facts. She strikes me as a pretty compassionate true crime author.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dan-zupansky1/2013/07/02/sleep-my-darlings-diane-fanning

I just came here to post this too! Very sad. This shouldn't be a DP case, prosecutorial overreach, again.

Here she is in court recently, I'm sorry, but does this woman look anything other than mentally ill: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/...o-undergo-months-of-mental-health-evaluations
 
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Thanks for posting that video, I had missed it.

Sane or insane, that woman clearly understands and appreciates the situation in which she now finds herself. Locked up, probably for the remainder of her days, a pariah in her community, with no family to turn to other than her family of origin (I assume they are supportive, given that they were in the courtroom), no children to watch grow up and prosper and flourish, knowing they are dead by her own hand. The guilt, regret and pain she must be feeling, which is etched indelibly on her face, is overwhelming for me to even contemplate. The horror of her circumstances is beyond comprehension to me.

This is not intended to minimize her acts and the loss of those precious, innocent children. She needs to be locked away in response to her acts, be it in a mental institution or a prison IMO.

My own personal musing...I think the death penalty is not appropriate for this case, but would ultimately perhaps be a gift of mercy to Julie Schenecker, were it ever to be carried out. I personally would prefer to die, or fade into insanity, than live the rest of my life burdened with the memory of what I had done to my own flesh and blood in a moment (really the culmination of what was a longer period, marked by premeditation and preparation) of rage and frustration fueled by mental illness and substance abuse. If only someone could have reached her before it got to that point, or she had reached out and given more of a warning.

All JMO
 
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I don't think she looks mentally ill, but instead just in need of a hair dresser. Didn't the cops say she reeked of alcohol when she was arrested. If she does have meds, then the jail will make sure she takes them on schedule, maybe she is just now realizing what's coming her way in a sober way.
 
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Julie Schenecker appears in court looking frail


http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23672294/julie-schenecker-appears-in-court-looking-frail#axzz2hcfRKIOY

The news video mentions witnesses for the April 2014 trial which include her ex-husband, brother and sister, and neighbors.

Can we get a mod to change the trial date on the thread title? I was going to hit the alert button, but since it wasn't spam or anything bad with the post, I didn't. I don't want to miss this trial, and maybe some others don't as well.
 
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