GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #2

[popsicle]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m
#JulieSchenecker has Oxy, Lithium, Hydrocodon, Benzaprine (sp) doesn't seem like she was taking them according to directions

 

[popsicle]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 27s
Family photo that was on nightstand being shown to court #SoSad #JulieSchenecker

 

[popsicle]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 39s
More medications were collected from nightstand drawer #Lithium #JulieSchenecker #Warning #AlcoholMayIntensify

 

[Nymeria]

She completely ignored the pills she had that were "normal".
Amoxicillin, which is an anti-biotic...why would she not take THAT?
There had to be a reason it was prescribed (infection, bronchial maybe. My son took that when young a lot for croupe and such).

EDIT- Or any type of infection really.

 

[popsicle]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 9s
Ammunition of live rounds and shell casings were found in kitchen #JulieSchenecker

 

[popsicle]

She completely ignored the pills she had that were "normal".
Amoxicillin, which is an anti-biotic...why would she not take THAT?
There had to be a reason it was prescribed (infection, bronchial maybe. My son took that when young a lot for croupe and such).

EDIT- Or any type of infection really.

Many people do not take antibiotics as prescribed...especially stopping them before the course is finished. jmo

 

[east2west]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m
#JulieSchenecker has Oxy, Lithium, Hydrocodon, Benzaprine (sp) doesn't seem like she was taking them according to directions

washed down with a wine spritzer and a beer back.

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[CarolinaMoon]

If I am reading the emails correctly (which is hard to do as they are out of date order and a lot of times repeated because of forwarding, it seems) she flat out refused to let her doctor(s) tell him anything.

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Which I can understand in a way, when you have mental health issues it's something you want to keep to yourself, I would think.
However, Hers were severe and she lived and was supposed to care for 2 teens. Not blaming her family (husband, parents, sibs) but I wish they would have stepped up and really been drastic about her situation. Commitment would have given them some leverage in making her get treatment and given them some power to gain information.

ETA- :seeya: G'Morn all

In the motion posted up above in the wrongful death suit, Julie claimed her husband did nothing to help her and left her alone, sick, and unable to parent her children.

By not allowing communication with her own husband, she made it impossible to adequately help her. By not allowing the doctors to communicate, she was able to compartmentalize her care.

Dealing with severe mental illness is a collaborative effort between the medical community, the family and the patient. Her family and her doctors all knew about her mental illness, so no stigma involved here. Not allowing this collaborative effort permits the severely mentally ill patient to say whatever he/she wants with no other POV.

If she really wanted to get better, she would have included all concerned about her treatment to help her.

She wanted all the control. She wanted all the attention. She seems narcissistic to the nth degree. It's all about her and her illness. Anyone who doesn't enable her (husband, children) are tossed out the door.

All MOO, IMHO, etc.

 

[popsicle]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 24s
Oh lookie, we have more pill bottles found #JulieSchenecker #TotalOf13Now

 

[Nymeria]

The amount of pharma in this womans arsenal is flooring me

How many doctors did she have and I wonder if these pills all came from the same pharmacy? It just seems like SO MUCH to me!

 

[Nymeria]

Many people do not take antibiotics as prescribed...especially stopping them before the course is finished. jmo

I know Pop, but she took ZERO of them :facepalm:

 

[Abigail]

That's a buttload of anti-psychotics she was taking.

I agree that it's sad that the family didn't get more involved as she was spiraling downward, and that the husband left for overseas, leaving her alone with the children. She was being treated for mental illness, she had already slapped her daughter and social services been called in, she was, by her own admission, only supplying minimal care to her children. Perhaps he felt he had no choice, or couldn't imagine she would have done what she did. Perhaps the other family weren't aware that things were getting so bad. The daughter's cry for help went unheeded.

I believe, in spite of her mental illness, she was in enough control mentally to plan the murder and buy the gun, waiting the 3 days -- thus, not insane to the point of not being aware of her actions.

She was clearly out of her mind at the time of her arrest, following a night of drinking and overdosing(?) -- and police were clearly out of line in reading her miranda rights at that time, when she was not fully able to comprehend what was going on, and questioning her in that state.

Most likely she will be found guilty, but sentencing may be a bit lenient, due to her mental illness -- do they still put the criminally insane in mental hospitals vs prison?

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

I WANT to see those pictures!!

 

[popsicle]

She was clearly out of her mind at the time of her arrest, following a night of drinking and overdosing(?) -- and police were clearly out of line in reading her miranda rights at that time, when she was not fully able to comprehend what was going on, and questioning her in that state.

I don't agree about her being clearly out of her mind. Also, LE had to read her the miranda warning otherwise any statement will not be admitted. She freely made statements.

 

[east2west]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 24s
Oh lookie, we have more pill bottles found #JulieSchenecker #TotalOf13Now

I'm surprised she didn't go into cardiac arrest with an overdose before the crime was committed by mixing opiates, anti psychotics, benzos, muscle relaxants, and the spritzers. Over dosing was clearly in her future. Imo


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[popsicle]

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State trying to show that the pills were not overtaken? Def may say she was insane because she wasn't taking her meds. hmm #JulieSchenecker

 

[Nymeria]

I WANT to see those pictures!!

Which pics Pocono?
(I think I missed something, I was so wrapped up in the pills :blushing.

 

[popsicle]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 42s
Paperwork collected from wood table is being shown #JulieSchenecker

 

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Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee 33s
There were still Christmas items out in the house #JulieSchenecker

 

[Abigail]

In the motion posted up above in the wrongful death suit, Julie claimed her husband did nothing to help her and left her alone, sick, and unable to parent her children.

By not allowing communication with her own husband, she made it impossible to adequately help her. By not allowing the doctors to communicate, she was able to compartmentalize her care.

Dealing with severe mental illness is a collaborative effort between the medical community, the family and the patient. Her family and her doctors all knew about her mental illness, so no stigma involved here. Not allowing this collaborative effort permits the severely mentally ill patient to say whatever he/she wants with no other POV.

If she really wanted to get better, she would have included all concerned about her treatment to help her.

She wanted all the control. She wanted all the attention. She seems narcissistic to the nth degree. It's all about her and her illness. Anyone who doesn't enable her (husband, children) are tossed out the door.

All MOO, IMHO, etc.

I agree that the treatment of mental illness needs to be a collaborative effort -- however, since the marriage was rocky, she may have felt that her husband would use her mental illness against her in divorce court. And....it may have just been a matter that her doctor hadn't asked her for permission to discuss her case with her husband -- in the email communications, the doctor says he will ask at the next appointment. She knew she needed her husband's help (with the kids, and probably with herself) but for whatever reason, wasn't able to communicate that to him, or perhaps she did, and perhaps he realized her need, but felt he had to attend to his job.

It may not be a matter of narcissism and wanting attention so much as being in such a fog that she wasn't thinking clearly. I agree that she wanted control (and who of us doesn't?) -- over herself, over her kids. And she saw that slipping away -- as she descended into her illness, and as her adolescent children began asserting their own independence.