GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #7

[atthelake]

My thoughts on this case:

JS shot the children in a haze of drugs, alcohol, MI and rage. After she shot BS she "had" to shoot CS because she would have found out. After shooting CS, all the anger/adrenaline was gone. She didn't have the guts to kill herself. So she journaled and drank and drugged to get up the courage. Still couldn't do it. Ended up passing out on the patio.

During her allocution I never heard her speak her ex-husband's name. He is the one who was hurt the most by this. I think she still despises him (her behavior throughout the divorce is further evidence of this).

May we all be free of animosity, free of oppression, free from trouble, and may we all know the grace of well-being.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned ....

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[atthelake]

OMG - there's already a verdict?! I was just checking in to see if there were any juror questions or anything!

Are you still on Oscar time ? Get back to US time for a month now minor !

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[newone]

there was a ton of evidence but both jurors I have heard said journal right away....it was such concrete insight into her mind and detailed. I think people like this seem to write journals...look at JA...I think CA did too.

bbm



Journaling is an excellent art to teach kids from an early age so that they can see their own progress. Journals are a safe way to process thoughts and challenges ..... dear friend of mine who passed away too young from cancer kept a journal from our university days...in her last days she was re-reading her journal from those early days and it brought back beautiful memories of our young perceptions and challenges.

it's an excellent coping tool for all ages.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe she blames Parker for all of this. I feel sorry for her sister she was really broken up crying. JS sure ruined a lot of lives. My sister and are very close. This would be very painful to see a family member go away for life. Even though you get to visit not the same as doing things together.

This is so sad all around. I pray that God helps JS because she has a very sick brain. MI is a chemical imbalance. Having MI is not her fault. Its a disease just like cancer and having a brain tumor. At times its hard to make clear and rational decisions and judgements when your brained messed up.

God does forgive if you ask for forgiveness. I hope JS asks to be forgiven. I will be saying prayers tonight for Calyx, Beau, Parker, Julie and all their family members. There are no winners here.

At least she cried real genuine tears, some convicted killers never cry and apologize.

I doubt she's ever shared genuine tears for anyone but herself. She's proved herself to be a diabolical manipulator who executed her own children and admitted she tried to turn her daughter's frown into a smile. Is she hoping for a tv movie? More attention?

The Jury decided she was not insane at the time she committed these heinous murders. She's now under the control of the department of corrections. Whether she spends the rest of her life in the hole or the equivalent in the mental wing doesn't matter because they are basically the same thing.

She is every bit as disgusting a human being as John Evander Couey.

JMO

 

[minor4th]

Are you still on Oscar time ? Get back to US time for a month now minor !

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[minor4th]

Just watched JS statement. Oh boy - that's gut wrenching. I think she's insane.

 

[atthelake]

Yes my schedule is all screwed up due to OP!

See you Tuesday !

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[atthelake]

Just watched JS statement. Oh boy - that's gut wrenching. I think she's insane.

I find that a VERY interesting comment coming from a lawyer. That sounds like a layman comment minor. Are you saying that in the legal term or a reactionary layman's term?

I don't see insanity for the killing ..or are you referring to insane during statement ? ..please expound if you want

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[aliciabal]

Wow!! Woke up across the pond this morning to find we have a verdict! The verdict is what I expected but boy was that quick. Now, the Schenecker family ( and hopefully the powers family) can begin to move forward. I'm sure there will be an appeal but I highly doubt it will be successful. Appeals rarely are. What a sad tragic tale.

 

[newone]

Just watched JS statement. Oh boy - that's gut wrenching. I think she's insane.

I guess that's why I am feel sad tonight because I was sooooo sure that it was M1.....when she gave her speech I realized how much was misfiring in her being....there's something unsettling there that creates some ''reasonable doubt''. There's a huge ''defect'' there. Did anyone run IQ tests on her?? She may have been brilliant in the past but something's wrong. Brain damage comes to mind and I think someone should run some cognitive tests asap.

 

[atthelake]

I guess that's why I am feel sad tonight because I was sooooo sure that it was M1.....when she gave her speech I realized how much was misfiring in her being....there's something unsettling there that creates some ''reasonable doubt''.

Unfortunately perhaps ..Florida doesn't have guilty but mentally ill option? (like hemy neuman in Georgia with killing of rusty schneiderman last year )

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[minor4th]

I find that a VERY interesting comment coming from a lawyer. That sounds like a layman comment minor. Are you saying that in the legal term or a reactionary layman's term?

I don't see insanity for the killing ..or are you referring to insane during statement ? ..please expound if you want

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I'm just commenting as a lay person - I don't think she knows whether she's coming or going. I respect the jury verdict and can't disagree with it based on the law. It's just a shame that there isn't something between not guilty by reason of insanity - and guilty of first degree murder. kwim?

 

[minor4th]

P.S. I don't like Parker at all. Not that I think he is to blame; I just think he is robotic and cold and was preoccupied with his own career goals to the detriment of his family for 27 years. I've watched his eulogy at the memorial, I've read every post he's made on FB since the kids were killed, I listened to his testimony, I read his emails, and I heard his post-verdict statement. All very sterile and flat IMO

 

[minor4th]

i still wonder about that family...the sister cried but the rest just sit there...no reaction...i think that says alot...

From the emails, it looks like the sister was the only one who was really empathic and was trying to understand how Julie felt. She advocated for her when everyone else was pretty much fed up and angry at her.

 

[atthelake]

I'm just commenting as a lay person - I don't think she knows whether she's coming or going. I respect the jury verdict and can't disagree with it based on the law. It's just a shame that there isn't something between not guilty by reason of insanity - and guilty of first degree murder. kwim?

Thanks for your response as I was !shocked! to hear you put in those terms that you, as a lawyer in legal terms, thought she was insane.

I shall keep in mind in the future that you too expound reactionary statements as a lay person. See you "upside down time" next week on Oscar threads

:seeya:

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[minor4th]

:gasp: :gasp: I can only shake my head at the above minor. While may be correct, many are like this.

SO.WHAT? You are saying he is robotic and cold after death of his two children at the hands of his wife. Yeah Minor, I was VERY robotic and VERY cold after death of a loved one. In his situation I cannot fathom anything other than robotic and NUMB

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Not just his reaction after the murders - but his correspondence before that as well. I just don't like the guy from what I see. No big thing ATL

 

[MsJosie]

P.S. I don't like Parker at all. Not that I think he is to blame; I just think he is robotic and cold and was preoccupied with his own career goals to the detriment of his family for 27 years. I've watched his eulogy at the memorial, I've read every post he's made on FB since the kids were killed, I listened to his testimony, I read his emails, and I heard his post-verdict statement. All very sterile and flat IMO

Military are not to show emotion. They are taught no matter what to continue the mission....which for P was to get through all of this, bury his children. His emotions are private and we will never see anything.

If JS wanted to continue on with her career, PS could have retired at 20 years, letting JS continue on. We will never know what their decisions were on this issue. No one can say it was just him deciding this, nor can we say it was her deciding this, or if it was both.

One more thing....A lot of people, like my MIL, acted robotic for a long time after her husband died. we saw no tears in public but I did when I was with her privately.

And yes, I have that military/spouse experince.

 

[momrids6]

I'm just commenting as a lay person - I don't think she knows whether she's coming or going. I respect the jury verdict and can't disagree with it based on the law. It's just a shame that there isn't something between not guilty by reason of insanity - and guilty of first degree murder. kwim?

There is : diminished capacity....but they did not use that defense.

 

[atthelake]

From the emails, it looks like the sister was the only one who was really empathic and was trying to understand how Julie felt. She advocated for her when everyone else was pretty much fed up and angry at her.

Ummmm, ok. Sister was empathetic and trying to understand. so?

She advocated and tried to be proactive and get Julie help? in what way? did she communicate her concerns and do red flags to family or doctors prior to the killings? How did she advocate?

Empathy and understanding don't affect change perhaps? Just is warm fuzzy?


I saw others in the family that were fed up/angry but ALSO advocated for her and tried to DO SOMETHING in their own way to affect change.... but not the sister. I must have missed that... links? TIA

 

[Isabelle]

I guess that's why I am feel sad tonight because I was sooooo sure that it was M1.....when she gave her speech I realized how much was misfiring in her being....there's something unsettling there that creates some ''reasonable doubt''. There's a huge ''defect'' there. Did anyone run IQ tests on her?? She may have been brilliant in the past but something's wrong. Brain damage comes to mind and I think someone should run some cognitive tests asap.

I think liver function tests are needed.