GUILTY FL - Carlie Brucia, 11, Sarasota, 1 February 2004

  • #601
so, on the videotape... when this complete stranger ambushed her out of nowhere, grabbed her hand and led her away, i supose he was asking this 11-year old if he could have "rough sex" with her.....? obviously, she was a willing participant!

and i guess she was "asking for it" by walking home from school in the parking lot, right? how dare a young girl look older than her real age and go around flaunting herself like that, teasing those men!

of course! what else would any 11-year old girl want when walking home through school?? surely she must have been thinking, "i sure wish some big strange man would just come up and drag me into the woods and have rough sex with me"......

anyway,, just fry the pond scum already.
 
  • #602
Details said:
I think it was the brother who testified that he recognized his brother on that videotape? That was a really, really good thing he did, stepping forward like that. It just kills the defense.

No defense closing statement? I guess that is the most accurate summary of the defense in this case, but still....
there were a number of friends that also testified about th video--

i about fell out of my own shoes when they came back from the break and the defense gave up their option for closing statement....i just dont understand- even if they decided the evidence was so overpowering--isnt that his fricking job???? he's been a defense attorney for 20 years---- there was a case in sarasota where a son killed both his prominent parents and he was the defense attorney --- dont think this was the first big deal case---does anyone wonder if the 🤬🤬🤬 decided he didnt want him to give a closing argument on his behalf?
 
  • #603
I am just wondering if its some loophole to him getting another hearing by saying his lawyers didnt do a good enough job at defending him???Maybe I have watched too much Law & Order!!lol
Can anyone comment on that for me as I am not really up on USA law only Television law which of course is fictional
 
  • #604
I say the smith family because it was joseph smith who asked his brother john smith to try and get the reward for a trust for his 3 daughters. Now I think he wants him to partner with an accomplished author to write a book. Of course this is just speculation.... but we'll see in about a year. I just can't figure out why they bothered with a trial when they had for one his own voice recordings talking about the murder, the brother telling them exactly where the body was, the encrypted letters, the dna, and finally the video... There has never been such a clear cut case of guilt. Why did they bother saying not guilty. No amount of BS was going to make someone on the jury think otherwise..How could tebrugge have actually sat down and "made up" some 🤬🤬🤬🤬 eyed defense knowing there was all this stuff against him? I just don't get it. That is why I think book deal. I do also commend john smith for testifying truthfully against his brother. Must have been very difficult.
 
  • #605
j2mirish said:
there were a number of friends that also testified about th video--

i about fell out of my own shoes when they came back from the break and the defense gave up their option for closing statement....i just dont understand- even if they decided the evidence was so overpowering--isnt that his fricking job???? he's been a defense attorney for 20 years---- there was a case in sarasota where a son killed both his prominent parents and he was the defense attorney --- dont think this was the first big deal case---does anyone wonder if the 🤬🤬🤬 decided he didnt want him to give a closing argument on his behalf?

Maybe the defense is setting up a chance to win on appeal because of imcompetent defense? I'm trying to think of the correct phrase and that's as close as I can come.

At any rate, I felt early on that the defense should just concede defeat rather than waste another day in court.
 
  • #606
I was really hoping somewhere in the trial it would come out exactly what he said to Carlie to get her not to scream or run. I do not think she knew him and in one of the recordings smith tells his brother that he did not know her, so what did he say? Why was it so easy for him? Although smith did frequent the same bar carlies mom had visited now and then, I do not believe he knew who Carlie was, also had he known her, he would of known her true age and not said to his brother he thought she was much older.
 
  • #607
Jury deliberates on Carlie Brucia case
Last Update: 11/17/2005 10:22:06 AM



SARASOTA, Fla. (AP) - A Sarasota jury began deliberations this morning in the murder trial of a man charged with kidnapping, raping and killing 11-year-old Carlie Brucia.

The jury will decide if Joseph Smith, a father of three daughters, is guilty of the charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and capital sexual battery.

During the trial, prosecutors played a taped jailhouse conversations of Smith talking about the crimes. His brother testified that Smith told him about killing the girl and where the body was.

Jurors also heard a final argument about D-N-A evidence linking Smith to a semen stain on Carlie's shirt.

http://www.wpmi.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=D7330627-E4D4-4BDC-ADB3-802396E8CCE5
 
  • #608
I wonder if the reason they didn't bother with the closing was because they didn't care much about this part of the trial, they plead not guilty only so they could go through the penalty phase of the trial - and give themselves a longshot at some idiot juror balking at guilt.
 
  • #609
SewingDeb said:
Maybe the defense is setting up a chance to win on appeal because of imcompetent defense? I'm trying to think of the correct phrase and that's as close as I can come.

At any rate, I felt early on that the defense should just concede defeat rather than waste another day in court.
I watched Court TV when the defense declined to give a closing argument. From what was said later by other lawyers who were interviewed I understood that it could not be construed as an incompetent move. It was actually thought by some lawyers to be excellent strategy.

To give an overview of the thoughts of lawyers interviewed about this I want first of all to answer an earlier post that asked "Why did this case go to trial?" It went to trial because all the Pros. would offer was the death penalty. Now if the defense accepted that it would be incompetent. The Pros. on the other hand didn't feel they could offer life without parole with all the evidence they had and the serious nature of the crime. So the case went to court.

The lead defense lawyer is experienced and considered by many to be skilled in Death Penalty cases. By not giving a closing statement he has kept his credibility with the jury for when he argues for his client's life in the penalty phase of the trial. He questioned every bit of evidence put forth by the Pros. during the trial. Lawyers who were interviewed said he did an excellent job at this but the outcome of the trial was a foregone conclusion. If he had given a closing argument he could not have said anything that would have shredded the evidence put forward by the closing argument of the Pros. Trying to save his client's life in the penalty phase is what this lawyer has as a goal.

One of the Pros. in the case, the female who would have given the Pros. Rebuttal, was interviewed by Court TV and asked if she was surprised by the defense declining to give a closing argument. She said it was a move she had anticipated as a possibility.

Nancy Grace went on about not being able to understand such a tactic. However, other lawyers who were interviewed stated that although it is rarely done, they could understand the advantage of declining to give a closing argument in a case such as this.

The lead defense council was asked if the stategy he had in mind when he declined to give a closing statement was to maintain his credibility with the jury for the penalty phase. In response he smiled and said something to the effect that every move in something as serious as a death penalty case is part of some form of strategy. That was an answer that didn't answer the question.

I hope this summary helps to answer why the case went to trial and why some able and experienced lawyers think the defense declined to give a closing argument.
 
  • #610
Excellent explanation, Czar. Thank you.

The jury has been out for 3 1/2 hours. I'm starting to wonder what is going on.
 
  • #611
SewingDeb said:
Excellent explanation, Czar. Thank you.

The jury has been out for 3 1/2 hours. I'm starting to wonder what is going on.
i had given them 3 hours-- but i would rather they really discuss it, so the defense cant start in on the jury, after the verdict..
 
  • #612
Gathering at the courthouse for the verdict...no announcement from the courthouse that there is a verdict yet.
 
  • #613
Shep just reported on Fox that there's a verdict which will be read at 3:30 EST.
 
  • #614
The jury has reached a verdict....guilty!!!! all counts!!!
 
  • #615
I'm shocked! I thought they'd find him innocent! :liar:
 
  • #616
Just got the great news.. Justice for sweet Carlie
 
  • #617
thank God.
 
  • #618
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051117/ap_on_re_us/abduction_filmed SARASOTA, Fla. - A former mechanic was convicted Thursday of raping and strangling an 11-year-old girl whose abduction was captured by a car-wash security camera.

The jury took about five hours to find 39-year-old Joseph Smith in the slaying of Carlie Brucia. He could get the death penalty.
Carlie's disappearance in February 2004 set off a huge search for her in the Sarasota area. Her half-naked body was found more than four days later outside a church.

Prosecutors built their case on the security-camera images of the abduction, the testimony of Smith's friends and co-workers who said they recognized the burly Smith in the footage, forensic evidence, and testimony from the defendant's brother, who said Smith admitted to the crime.
 
  • #619
Wonder what took 5 hours. Maybe they had one of those games of Uno that never seems to end - I had one of those once.
 
  • #620
lIVE REPORT OUTSIDE OF THE COURTROOM-- THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY THREW A FIT BECAUSE SMITH WAS BEING HANDCUFFED PRIOR TO THE JURY BEING ENTIRELY OUT OF THE COURTROOM----- REPORTED THAT THE DEFENSE COULD MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT ----DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS ACTION CAN REALLY AFFECT ANYTHING??:doh:
 

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