GUILTY FL - Chance Walsh, 7 wks, North Port, 7 Oct 2015 #1

[CharlestonGal]

I think the families have been told much more than we have at this point - <modsnip> it says to me that either the POSs confessed to the violence or it was immediately apparent on Chance's little body when he was discovered.

 

[fizzypop]

The post time was my time - PDT - so just a few minutes ago. But yeah, I think media were just getting video while it's still light out. We're all waiting to hear from the sheriff that the ME has officially confirmed it was Chance but I doubt it would be announced at the burial site.

I'm confused. The picture was showing my current time (it says 4:56pm on it to me, which was a few min ago here, does it say 2:56 when you look at it??) so maybe I am seeing my time in the link. If that's the case then it's just before the early news would go on in FL and you're probably right they are shooting before they lose daylight, though of course they have lights to film with too, but the daylight will make showing the area easier.

Poor Chance.

 

[fizzypop]

I took it was LE was ou there, now I see it is just media........I deleted my post

You didn't have to delete your post, I just thought I might be missing something. You want me to delete my post about it?

 

[lonetraveler]

I&#8217;ve seen way too many cases that mirror this case. As always, my heart is broken and I&#8217;m so furious I could explode. There are so many people who would give anything to have a baby like Chance. All it would have taken was for these pieces of trash to take him to a &#8220;Safe Haven&#8221; and leave him for someone else to love and cherish. Instead, this beautiful, defenseless little baby had to go through pure hell and death, which is unforgiveable and senseless, evil and cruel. Unfortunately while many, many people are grieving and heartbroken for this tiny little baby, the caretakers, you know the &#8220;mom and dad&#8221;, in other words, the sperm and egg donor will probably be charged with a something so meaningless that they might as well just slap them on the wrist and let them go. In some ways I wish they would let them go so that justice can be given by the community who has given their lives to finding this baby. Swift justice, true and deserving.

As in many cases I&#8217;ve followed, the &#8220;mom&#8221; is often given a much lighter sentence than the male involved. I&#8217;ve always been of the opinion that the &#8220;mom&#8221; should receive the harsher sentence or equal sentence because she is the mother for God&#8217;s sake and should protect this tiny baby with her life. I certainly hope that this will not be the case here. I feel, like all of you, that I have received a kick to the gut.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I know I shouldn't be thinking this because what's done is done and nothing will change it - but I keep thinking about that missed opportunity on Sep 9th when the grandparents knew there was obviously something wrong, but Kristen refused to open the door. I wonder how different things would have turned out if authorities had done a welfare check that day - and possibly been there in time to rescue him before he passed. Oh, how I wish it had happened that way instead! I am so upset about what this poor infant went through in his last moments or hours.

For the first time in the many cases I've followed here, I have to step away from this one for the time being. This case has upset me terribly.

 

[MsMarple]

how far was today's search area from the apartment of the perps?

ETA just answered my own self - looks like about a 25 minute drive.

Someone picked that spot. Wondering why. Now I am off to find out the address of the home that had the fire last year and where they were living when Duane died. The area they left that baby came to mind for a reason.

Hi tlcya! I think all three incidents occurred on Lullaby Rd although I don't have a link to the address Chance and his parents were living at when he disappeared.

Duane: http://www.nbc-2.com/story/25167071...ating-death-of-two-week-old-baby#.ViArIn6rTDd

The fire: http://www.news-press.com/story/new...h-port-ben-brasch-baby-chance-walsh/73925578/

The picture looks like this house:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.057...DyJg0fyQgtKKidh6lw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (captured in 2011).

 

[Eileen730]

I think the families have been told much more than we have at this point - <modsnip> it says to me that either the POSs confessed to the violence or it was immediately apparent on Chance's little body when he was discovered.

IMO the blood splatter in the home was Chances Blood and LE knew Chance was no longer with us. they said he never left Florida...He would never have been found unless LE was told where to find him.

 

[ClaireNC]

Oh so sad and frustrating. I am so mad at those pieces of sh** that I also need to walk away for a while. I know we aren't supposed to say this, but I feel the whole "family" should feel some guilt over little Chance's death. Somebody should have done something.

RIP precious baby Chance. Fly high with the angels sweet one, nobody can hurt you anymore.

 

[Eileen730]

Anyone that knows someone with a baby that's doing drugs please do the right thing and report them. This has to end. Now I hope they find Little Lonzie Barton!

 

[Eileen730]

Oh so sad and frustrating. I am so mad at those pieces of sh** that I also need to walk away for a while. I know we aren't supposed to say this, but I feel the whole "family" should feel some guilt over little Chance's death. Somebody should have done something.

RIP precious baby Chance. Fly high with the angels sweet one, nobody can hurt you anymore.

Oh I agree with you 100%
there are many that let this child down.

 

[cvaldez1975]

shocking. not.

Duane was cremated.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I just cant imagine this at all.

when my 2 year old was a newborn and wouldn't latch and cried frustrated in the middle of the night, I sat on the couch and cried with him too. I cant imagine hitting such a teeny tiny defenseless thing. ffs. I just cant.

 

[lonetraveler]

I hope and pray that a "deal" was not struck for any of the two who killed this precious baby. They both should be put to death.

 

[passionflower]

I hope and pray that a "deal" was not struck for any of the two who killed this precious baby. They both should be put to death.

and sterilized never to have another baby ever!

 

[bluesneakers]

I hate these people for making me think something like "Please let him have died of SIDs in his sleep."

Oh Chance. I'm so sorry.

 

[fizzypop]

I hate these people for making me think something like "Please let him have died of SIDs in his sleep."

Oh Chance. I'm so sorry.

I know what you mean, completely. I felt horrible when I wrote that I hope they are able to find signs of homicide on him. Because of course I don't really want that, I just want something they can stick to the parents and keep them locked up. It's crazy how these cases make you think sometimes, but I know our hearts are in the right place.

 

[1&2&3]

Such a shame these cruel parents could not admit the fact they did not want this baby and give him up. They had no right to be his judge in determining his fate in this world!

These two should never walk on the streets again - jail them for the rest of their lives! JMO.

 

[EllieBee]

I just cant imagine this at all.

when my 2 year old was a newborn and wouldn't latch and cried frustrated in the middle of the night, I sat on the couch and cried with him too. I cant imagine hitting such a teeny tiny defenseless thing. ffs. I just cant.

Ya know, I can't either.

However, I have to admit that the toddler years took me awfully close to a breaking point. But even when alone with her, I always walked away. I remember shutting myself in my bathroom and sobbing with frustration and despair while she was knocking on the door.

Was that ideal? Nope. Was it the better of two likely outcomes? Yep.

You don't have to be perfect to be a good parent. You just have to make the BETTER choice, and seldom is that the ideal choice.

Knowing when you are overwhelmed and in danger of exploding is so important and I wish there was not such shame attached to saying "OMG, I cannot listen to another minute of screaming" or "I have not slept more than 3 hours a night in 6 months, I cannot care for my child without sleep- please help me!"

I had enough presence to know I was in a bad place and needed a good cry and time to cool down. Not all mothers are so lucky. Many mothers feel ashamed that they need a break, or help, or even just a good cry. If we educated new moms that asking for help is EXCELLENT parenting and not admission of failure, maybe there would be fewer incidents of abuse and even death.

Sorry for the long azz post, but I also need to say that in this case, that horrific "mother" apparently had MANY people willing to help, especially given her history with drug abuse. For God's sake, she could not properly care for her pets! This was not a mom who was doing her best and feeling overwhelmed. This was a mom who chose her grody "man" and her drugs over her defenseless babies.

I know SM is not fact, but just the way she fawned over that icky guy who apparently slept on the couch while she hitched rides to her waitress job, and barely posted about her own BABIES is very telling.

I am all over the place, so I apologize. My heart is just broken and my throat keeps closing up.

I think I was trying to say that I do understand getting angry, but in Chance's case, he was never loved, never a priority, never more than a means to get attention and free stuff. So she could cook elaborate meals for her "awesome man". I want to PUKE.

 

[EllieBee]

I hope and pray that a "deal" was not struck for any of the two who killed this precious baby. They both should be put to death.

My gut tells me this is exactly what happened. Who else would know where Chance was? Those two kept close company. IMO, only the two of them knew where that poor murdered baby lie buried.

I hate them both so much.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I agree, I am beside myself too.

this 2 year old is very easy for his age, my ds17 is and always has been a difficult kid. never a tantrum thrower but so much energy he NEVER sat still and it exhausted me. he actually is adhd and odd but I didn't know then. I just knew he acted like he was on crack. lol

I did yell at my older boys a little too much, I was too young to have had them. I spanked here and there. but never beat, and they knew I loved the ever loving crap out of them. and I was never afraid to ask my parents for help.

Ya know, I can't either.

However, I have to admit that the toddler years took me awfully close to a breaking point. But even when alone with her, I always walked away. I remember shutting myself in my bathroom and sobbing with frustration and despair while she was knocking on the door.

Was that ideal? Nope. Was it the better of two likely outcomes? Yep.

You don't have to be perfect to be a good parent. You just have to make the BETTER choice, and seldom is that the ideal choice.

Knowing when you are overwhelmed and in danger of exploding is so important and I wish there was not such shame attached to saying "OMG, I cannot listen to another minute of screaming" or "I have not slept more than 3 hours a night in 6 months, I cannot care for my child without sleep- please help me!"

I had enough presence to know I was in a bad place and needed a good cry and time to cool down. Not all mothers are so lucky. Many mothers feel ashamed that they need a break, or help, or even just a good cry. If we educated new moms that asking for help is EXCELLENT parenting and not admission of failure, maybe there would be fewer incidents of abuse and even death.

Sorry for the long azz post, but I also need to say that in this case, that horrific "mother" apparently had MANY people willing to help, especially given her history with drug abuse. For God's sake, she could not properly care for her pets! This was not a mom who was doing her best and feeling overwhelmed. This was a mom who chose her grody "man" and her drugs over her defenseless babies.

I know SM is not fact, but just the way she fawned over that icky guy who apparently slept on the couch while she hitched rides to her waitress job, and barely posted about her own BABIES is very telling.

I am all over the place, so I apologize. My heart is just broken and my throat keeps closing up.

I think I was trying to say that I do understand getting angry, but in Chance's case, he was never loved, never a priority, never more than a means to get attention and free stuff. So she could cook elaborate meals for her "awesome man". I want to PUKE.