GUILTY Fl - Dan Markel, 41, Fsu Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #5 *arrests*

[GordonX]

Some thoughts:

1. I suspect the state is holding evidence they have against any other possible suspects very close to their vest. In discovery thus far we've seen bank account details for DA/HA, CA and WA. We also learned they have CA's entire ICloud account. It's plausible to assume that this investigation has produced and not yet disclosed other evidence that could pertain to those not in custody.
2. I'm thinking back to LR's confession tape. LE made a point to inquire further about that piece of paper with Dan's picture and address that SG was given. They clarified it was typed, not handwritten. So, I think they want to find out what computer produced a document like that. Anyone who uses Word or Goggle Docs knows that if something was created, saved and printed, it could be found again. Unless it was scrubbed very well. If that document was indeed found on a certain someone's computer, well, that looks VERY bad.
3. KM and SG have case mgmt conferences next week. SG still doesn't have a trial date.
4. The clock is ticking. If she doesn't move to have it pushed back, KM has less than four weeks until her jury trial.
5. About any requests to move the trial from Leon County -- it did not work for LR. The judge said that he'd make that determination should there be issues with getting an impartial jury. If they did move it and it was not Orlando, Tampa or Miami, there is a likely chance the defendants would be worse off regarding a sympathetic demographic. It can get "country" about 20 minutes outside of these Florida cities.

1. good point about the Word document. it had to come from a computer somewhere. kind of reminds me of how LE got the BTK Killer. the metadata got him though. defense can argue that of course ex-family would have ex-family pictures and address on computers. but harder for defense to argue it's innocent if it was created/printed a few days or weeks before the murder and it's structured like a "hit sheet".
2. the transcript also mentioned a hard drive too in addition to the iCloud account capture. but if LE had incriminating evidence from the computer forensics i think we would've seen at least some of it in the PCAs. maybe the alleged mastermind(s) were smart enough to not miss the obvious pitfalls like using their own computers? maybe a Library computer? or a Church computer like BTK?

 

[MissyS]

Thank You!

Based on the testimony, it doesn't seem that LR is wrong-- his statement reflects that SG told him that the lady seen walking with her two kids was WA. LR never said that he recognized WA. LR only testified as to what he was told by SG. I don't think that "this is another thing that LR has wrong" (paraphrased).

SG could be wrong, high, or simply mollifying LR by telling him that the unknown Caucasian lady was WA. The fact that the lady was not WA does not reflect an error made by LR.

The single most significant part of that testimony is that LR reports that SG knows about WA and her two kids, and that the reason that they are traveling to Tallahassee to kill DM is because "the lady" wants full custody of her two kids.

That motive is consistent and supported by the evidence presently available in the PCA/newspaper reports. Or maybe it is just another coincidence. I don't think that "Cui Bono" is Latin for "big coincidence."


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[reallybusy]

My view too. Agree 100%.

Based on the testimony, it doesn't seem that LR is wrong-- his statement reflects that SG told him that the lady seen walking with her two kids was WA. LR never said that he recognized WA. LR only testified as to what he was told by SG. I don't think that "this is another thing that LR has wrong" (paraphrased).

SG could be wrong, high, or simply mollifying LR by telling him that the unknown Caucasian lady was WA. The fact that the lady was not WA does not reflect an error made by LR.

The single most significant part of that testimony is that LR reports that SG knows about WA and her two kids, and that the reason that they are traveling to Tallahassee to kill DM is because "the lady" wants full custody of her two kids.

That motive is consistent and supported by the evidence presently available in the PCA/newspaper reports. Or maybe it is just another coincidence. I don't think that "Cui Bono" is Latin for "big coincidence."


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[Razz]

Based on the testimony, it doesn't seem that LR is wrong-- his statement reflects that SG told him that the lady seen walking with her two kids was WA. LR never said that he recognized WA. LR only testified as to what he was told by SG. I don't think that "this is another thing that LR has wrong" (paraphrased).

SG could be wrong, high, or simply mollifying LR by telling him that the unknown Caucasian lady was WA. The fact that the lady was not WA does not reflect an error made by LR.

The single most significant part of that testimony is that LR reports that SG knows about WA and her two kids, and that the reason that they are traveling to Tallahassee to kill DM is because "the lady" wants full custody of her two kids.

That motive is consistent and supported by the evidence presently available in the PCA/newspaper reports. Or maybe it is just another coincidence. I don't think that "Cui Bono" is Latin for "big coincidence."


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Excellent point!

However, how do we "know for a fact" that who SG saw was NOT Wendy. I am not convinced.

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[nancydrew71]

Based on the testimony, it doesn't seem that LR is wrong-- his statement reflects that SG told him that the lady seen walking with her two kids was WA. LR never said that he recognized WA. LR only testified as to what he was told by SG. I don't think that "this is another thing that LR has wrong" (paraphrased).

SG could be wrong, high, or simply mollifying LR by telling him that the unknown Caucasian lady was WA. The fact that the lady was not WA does not reflect an error made by LR.

The single most significant part of that testimony is that LR reports that SG knows about WA and her two kids, and that the reason that they are traveling to Tallahassee to kill DM is because "the lady" wants full custody of her two kids.

That motive is consistent and supported by the evidence presently available in the PCA/newspaper reports. Or maybe it is just another coincidence. I don't think that "Cui Bono" is Latin for "big coincidence."


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I totally agree! I wonder if LE asked LR for a description of her.

 

[dotr]

SG may have been bluffing to LR, or repeating a bluff KM made to him to make sure they get the " job " done.
Why would he/she/they do this? To make sure that LR goes through with it and does not try and rip them off after receiving some advance money.

But i agree with Missy S, that LR testified what he was told by SG.about the woman walking with her kids.
imo, speculation.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Based on the testimony, it doesn't seem that LR is wrong-- his statement reflects that SG told him that the lady seen walking with her two kids was WA. LR never said that he recognized WA. LR only testified as to what he was told by SG. I don't think that "this is another thing that LR has wrong" (paraphrased).

SG could be wrong, high, or simply mollifying LR by telling him that the unknown Caucasian lady was WA. The fact that the lady was not WA does not reflect an error made by LR.

The single most significant part of that testimony is that LR reports that SG knows about WA and her two kids, and that the reason that they are traveling to Tallahassee to kill DM is because "the lady" wants full custody of her two kids.

That motive is consistent and supported by the evidence presently available in the PCA/newspaper reports. Or maybe it is just another coincidence. I don't think that "Cui Bono" is Latin for "big coincidence."


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Yep. I have to agree with this as well.

LR was getting worried. And Garcia lied or was mistakened when easing his friends mind to not worry about the lady.

But I am surprised that Luis and Garcia didn't talk more about the lady at the hotel that night.

Because I definitely would have mentioned it again to Garcia.

Also. This was the second trip and Luis is supposedly the head of the Latin Kings Miami faction.

So wouldn't Luis have known more about why they were killing Dan.

 

[whonos]

Who told them that DM would be at the gym?
That seems to be the first time the Prius is noticed in connection with DM (they pulled into the parking lot and waited. I think transcripts said that they came in a different entrance.)

 

[DexterMorgan]

Who told them that DM would be at the gym?
That seems to be the first time the Prius is noticed in connection with DM (they pulled into the parking lot and waited. I think transcripts said that they came in a different entrance.)

1 Billion percent agree. Because it seems like they knew that they would have to wait in that garage for a hour or so. Jmo.

Good point.

 

[Montrealaise]

Who told them that DM would be at the gym?
That seems to be the first time the Prius is noticed in connection with DM (they pulled into the parking lot and waited. I think transcripts said that they came in a different entrance.)

The same person who told them that DM would be going out of town on Friday afternoon.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I believe that the Markel children were in a daycare/preschool however it is worth noting that my 3 year old son goes to a Montessori preschool and it is from 845-1145. of course then I take him to daycare and go back to work, but preschools that run half day are pretty normal.

Assume it's true that there are records indicating that the kids were in school at the time that LR says he and SG saw WA with them. Isn't the reasonable explanation LR & SG did see a woman with 2 kids, and that SG honestly (but mistakenly) thought it was WA? And LR honestly (but mistakenly) believed SG was correct? LR says in the video that SG was the one who thought it was WA, and SG called KM afterwards to ask why WA was there. According to LR in the video, KM told SG she thought WA was there to check that the plan was on track, but KM may well have just been making an assumption (which turned out to be wrong). It was the middle of the day -- isn't it most likely that the kids actually were at school?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Okay. The kids definitely were going to be dropped off at school.

But only Wendi would know the gym routine.

Plus she spoke to dan and Charlie that morning.

And then Charlie possibly spoke with KM.

And KM spoke to Garcia.

But my question is. Did Luis confess to knowing that dan was supposed to go to the gym and they were supposed to wait to do it at his house?

 

[GordonX]

so is KM going to trial on February 27?

 

[GordonX]

Party Party Type Cjis Spn DOB Action Code File Date Judge Case Status Case Number
MAGBANUA, KATHERINE DIANA DEFENDANT 247204 1984 MURDER-FIRST DEGREE 10/04/2016 Open 2016 CF 003036 A001

Event Date Start Location Judge Result Source
JURY NON JURY TRIAL 2/27/2017 8:30 AM HANKINSON JIS
PRE-TRIAL CASE MANAGEMENT 2/23/2017 1:30 PM HANKINSON JIS
PRE-TRIAL CASE MANAGEMENT 2/6/2017 10:30 AM HANKINSON JIS

 

[whonos]

Okay. The kids definitely were going to be dropped off at school.

But only Wendi would know the gym routine.

Plus she spoke to dan and Charlie that morning.

And then Charlie possibly spoke with KM.

And KM spoke to Garcia.

But my question is. Did Luis confess to knowing that dan was supposed to go to the gym and they were supposed to wait to do it at his house?

Exactly.

LE must have asked him this question. But I do not recall seeing it or the answer.

Luis would have asked "where are we going?", "why the gym?" "how do you know?" He was the driver.

Maybe he went to the gym every day after dropping the boys off? And they took a chance? Or what?

According to transcripts DM did call WA after the drop off, but she did not call CA until they were all pulling in at the gym.

I'll try to find the transcripts.

 

[whonos]

For some reason I cannot copy/paste the page with the recorded calls on the day of the murder. Or a screenshot of the page.

The calls are on page 11 of CA's prob cause, at the following link:

https://www.scribd.com/document/323441440/Un-served-probable-cause-for-Charlie-Adelson








 

[GordonX]

maybe LR and SG simply followed DM to the gym? maybe they were tailing him all morning but were not always captured on video? this is not surprising since video cameras aren't literally everywhere. hence - maybe no one had to tell them about DM's gym time and place? maybe they just were simply stalking him from the get-go and waiting for the best time to do the hit (stationary, no kids, alone, no witnesses, etc.)?

 

[reallybusy]

It's curious that there is no reference to any text messaging in the PCAs. Wonder if the players agreed not to or if they just aren't referenced. Perhaps through some other messaging app, like WhatsAp?

Wish some city bus camera's or other cameras picked up the Prius trailing DA before the gym and in route from the preschool, so we'd know they trailed him there from video evidence.

For some reason I cannot copy/paste the page with the recorded calls on the day of the murder. Or a screenshot of the page.

The calls are on page 11 of CA's prob cause, at the following link:

https://www.scribd.com/document/323441440/Un-served-probable-cause-for-Charlie-Adelson








 

[GordonX]

It's curious that there is no reference to any text messaging in the PCAs. Wonder if the players agreed not to or if they just aren't referenced. Perhaps through some other messaging app, like WhatsAp?

Wish some city bus camera's or other cameras picked up the Prius trailing DA before the gym and in route from the preschool, so we'd know they trailed him there from video evidence.

IMO -

i think the alleged mastermind was smart enough not to miss some of the obvious things of what not to do - like no texts/messages/emails - in other words no back and forth communication in writing - only voice. and there seems to also be a rule that the alleged mastermind(s) never communicate in any way directly with the hit team or vice-versa - despite what i think was a misfire missed call from SG's phone to HA's phone (maybe from KM by mistake?). i think the alleged mastermind fashioned himself as a criminal genius - smarter than the "dumb" cops - entitled, smarter, and better than everyone else. malignant narcissism. i think he thought he had all the bases covered and had the perfect murder planned. boy was he wrong.

“No, no that ain’t all there is to it. You gotta get in, you gotta get out, you gotta pick the right spot, the right time, and you gotta try not to get famous while you’re in the act. If that’s all there was to it, any idiot could do it. And I wanna ask you something. Are you listening to me, a******? Because I like you. I got a serious question for you: What the f*** are you doing? This is not s*** for you to be messin' with. Are you ready to hear something? I want you to see if this sounds familiar: Any time you try a decent crime, you got fifty ways you can f*** up. If you think of twenty-five of them, then you're a genius... and you ain't no genius. You remember who told me that?” - Teddy Lewis – Body Heat

 

[dotr]

The removed photo of the owl and timing of KM's call concerning it , can also probably be verified. Small intriguing detail, imo.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...e-were-coming-up-here-kill-somebody/91847004/
Rbbm.

On the ride from Miami, his accomplice Sigfredo Garcia showed him a photo of Markel. On the piece of paper was written the Florida State University law professor’s home address, and Rivera learned he was now part of a murder-for-hire plot.

When Rivera and Garcia returned to Tallahassee in July 2014, they cased Markel’s home and followed him around. Garcia was snorting cocaine and drinking nearly the entire time, Rivera said.

They were seen on video following Markel into the Premier Gym parking lot and waiting for an hour until he left.

Rivera posted a now-deleted photo of an owl on Instagram the day before Markel was shot. He had been frightened by it, but Magbanua called and demanded he remove it from the social media site to avoid giving away their location.