GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #7 *arrests*

[TrialLurking]

In earlier testimony by one of CA's ex gfs, she said that he always slept with a gun.
Is that normal behavior in places where gun ownership is considered, imo, widespread?
If he also kept it with him whilst, er- entertaining the ladies, would that not only be a huge turn-off, but also dangerous if it accidentally/ prematurely went off?
"Son of a gun" comes to mind.....

speculation.imo.

Considering the crowd he hung with, I'd say he was concerned about being robbed. They knew he had loads of cash. He knew what they were willing to do for some stapled stacks.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I really really disliked Wendy Adelson on the stand. She comes across as extremely selfish, manipulative, condescending, plays innocent doe eyed girl to get away with being a conniving you know what. Also spoiled rotten. Clearly, the Adelson family is not that different from a mafia family. I'd hate to cross them. These 3 are the low hanging fruit in this case imo. To think that the Adelson family is going to get away with this is sickening.

My feelings exactly! I REALLY dislike WA! You hit the nail on the head describing her as doe eyed playing innocent. I see right through her. I have a lot of experience with her “type” being married into the family I married into. My soon to be ex sister in law is just like her - beautful, smart, comes from a well to do family - who married into a well to do family - etc...and through the divorce with my BIL - we have discovered so many horrible things she’s done —-all while playing the innocent doe eyed lady. The things she’s done would astonish you. She gets away with it because of her place in society, her beauty and charming personality - much like WA I think. WA knows how to play the game and uses her assets to her advantage.

ETA - I believe WA is a narcissist

 

[Weki]

I remember on Dateline or 48 hours, they said that Dan Markel was controlling. Apparently she wrote a book and he showed no interest whatsoever. Apparently he was so career obsessed and that's all he cared about, and he had her in a box. Apparently, she hated Tallahassee and he sort of forced her to stay for his career. She was very unhappy there. It sounded like he only cared about himself and was dominating. That's what I remember about it. And then she decided to leave and felt trapped in Tallahassee.

Even if all that is true about him, I'm not saying it excuses getting him killed. But I also really doubt it's true. I think it's more likely SHE'S the narcissist and she's projecting all her bs onto him and smearing him. I think he was probably a reasonable person making reasonable choices, and she wanted to be a spoiled princess. And apparently her book was unreadable. lol

 

[Gypsy Road]

I’m not so sure Dan was controlling. Sounds like WA just wanted her way. It has been says that he did boast and promote her book on his blog (even though he didn’t take 2 hours of his time to read it). We only have WA’s side of what went on in that marriage - and we already know that she is less than truthful.

 

[justice1960]

I don’t disagree. I am on the fence about the death penalty in general but I agree with your assessment of her and I feel like she (with CA’s prodding) pushed SG to do it - edited to add pushed very hard!

Regarding the death Penalty. I believe in the 5th Commandant and I don't agree with the death penalty for that reason and my own conscience. We claim to be One Nation Under God and note it on our currency and don't follow God's rules! We don't have it in our State. The reasoning being it is mathematically impossible to execute an innocent human being. Better not to take any chances with improper representation. Like we are seeing in this trial thus far IMO.
Life w/o the possibility of parole is better than the death penalty and a better deterrent in the long run. It gives one many years to think of the deed and destruction one has done to his fellow man. But if States are going to run with it at least do it equally or not at all.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Also wanted to say this about WA - while there is no solid proof she was unfaithful to Dan ...she sure did get cozy with JL rather quickly after moving out of the marital home. And then there’s the words from JL about WA seeing other men while he thought the relationship was a close, monogamous one.

ETA - WA doesn’t sound like she was a perfect wife or partner.

 

[GordonX]

The gun is all part of the power trip, ego, wannabe tough guy persona.

 

[TrialLurking]

I remember on Dateline or 48 hours, they said that Dan Markel was controlling. Apparently she wrote a book and he showed no interest whatsoever. Apparently he was so career obsessed and that's all he cared about, and he had her in a box. Apparently, she hated Tallahassee and he sort of forced her to stay for his career. She was very unhappy there. It sounded like he only cared about himself and was dominating. That's what I remember about it. And then she decided to leave and felt trapped in Tallahassee.

Even if all that is true about him, I'm not saying it excuses getting him killed. But I also really doubt it's true. I think it's more likely SHE'S the narcissist and she's projecting all her bs onto him and smearing him. I think he was probably a reasonable person making reasonable choices, and she wanted to be a spoiled princess. And apparently her book was unreadable. lol

He more than likely was highly career driven. He managed to get accepted and graduate from Harvard. My guess is that WA was a bit jealous of all that. She was used to being in the limelight. She said he didn't view her as an equal. Apparently, he didn't worship her the way she felt she deserved. So she stormed out of the marriage like a child.

 

[Weki]

My feelings exactly! I REALLY dislike WA! You hit the nail on the head describing her as doe eyed playing innocent. I see right through her. I have a lot of experience with her “type” being married into the family I married into. My soon to be ex sister in law is just like her - beautful, smart, comes from a well to do family - who married into a well to do family - etc...and through the divorce with my BIL - we have discovered so many horrible things she’s done —-all while playing the innocent doe eyed lady. The things she’s done would astonish you. She gets away with it because of her place in society, her beauty and charming personality - much like WA I think. WA knows how to play the game and uses her assets to her advantage.

ETA - I believe WA is a narcissist

Yes I picked up narcissistic vibes from her as well. And it's very common for these types of people to character assassinate someone that doesn't give in to their unreasonable demands. I've experienced it myself. They have a way of convincing people that they're the victim and the wronged party when it's anything but. Usually they are the destructive ones. In this case, obviously, there's some sociopathy as well. It seems like a family trait, also not uncommon. This is a narcissistic family except the one brother, I believe.

 

[Gypsy Road]

The gun is all part of the power trip, ego, wannabe tough guy persona.

Yes, and there are a lot of women who love “bad boys”. Especially bad boys with money!

 

[Carneceria]

When I watched her on the witness stand, I kept thinking of the Stepford Wives movie I watched long ago. The way she tilt her head and had that "deer in the headlights look". I wouldn't have been suprised if her head did a 360 while sparks flew in the courtroom.

Her face was so emotionless and if you notice, she kept looking up for answers. Her body language (or lack thereof), flat affect, and testimony that contradicted JL's reeks of involvement and/or knowledge of who the masterminds are. Even if she was not involved or had any knowledge, for a "normal" person, wouldn't the discussion of your ex's (and father of your children) cold blooded murder conjure some level of emotion? I get it that she hated him but still.

 

[Gypsy Road]

IMO - WA also responded to the judge much differently than Ms Cappleman. Watch her body language - lots of smiles and eyelash flutters when speaking to the judge and answering his questions. It was obvious and uncomfortable to watch.

 

[TTF14]

Even if she was not involved or had any knowledge, for a "normal" person, wouldn't the discussion of your ex's (and father of your children) cold blooded murder conjure some level of emotion? I get it that she hated him but still.

Yes. My e-H is still alive, but yes, there would be emotion if this happened. And I'd put in a call once in a while to the police to check on the progress of the case! And there's no way in hell I'd change their last names.

 

[Montrealaise]

It must be hard to hear how their only son was so easily executed by all these thugs. Difficult to hear how these individuals spent money, paid for their sons death by his ex inlaws, on cars and motorcycles, breast implants, trips.etc etc. It disgusts me. DM was an upstanding citizen that had so much to offer........SMH.

And to make matters worse, their DIL (who may or may not have been involved in planning his murder) is refusing to let them see their grandchildren.

 

[TrialLurking]

IMO - WA also responded to the judge much differently than Ms Cappleman. Watch her body language - lots of smiles and eyelash flutters when speaking to the judge and answering his questions. It was obvious and uncomfortable to watch.

One thing I found interesting was the jury questions for WA. She spoke towards the jury once instructed by the Judge, except for one question. The question that asked about what was wrong with her television. Her body language and explanation was off. She didn't even look at the jury. Just makes my radar go off. JMO

 

[kooshx]

Yes I picked up narcissistic vibes from her as well. And it's very common for these types of people to character assassinate someone that doesn't give in to their unreasonable demands. I've experienced it myself. They have a way of convincing people that they're the victim and the wronged party when it's anything but. Usually they are the destructive ones. In this case, obviously, there's some sociopathy as well. It seems like a family trait, also not uncommon. This is a narcissistic family except the one brother, I believe.

Also, when questioned about how closely she was following the case, Wendi claimed that she only knew about it because of the death threats she has supposedly received. Of course, she's the real victim here. Obviously, these are non-serious threat, but DM didn't even receive the "courtesy" of advanced notice.

 

[MsArk]

Look... no one is perfect and neither was DM. No marriage is perfect either and compromises are absolutely necessary. Still... I don’t think WA was going to be happy anywhere other than Miami where she was the family princess. I agree with other’s opinions about her testimony. There was something about her that I could not stand! Arrogant and “innocent”at the same time is not a good look.

 

[clearskies1]

Re the State seeking the DP for SG but not KM, there are specific aggravating and mitigating circumstances that need to be considered by a jury in deciding whether to impose the DP. One of the mitigating factors is that the defendant has no significant prior criminal hist0ry. Per this article, SG has prior felonies for aggravated robbery and drug offenses. Police Arrest Florida Man in Connection with Death of Law Professor. I haven't heard of KM having any prior felonies.

Anyway, I don't know why the the State did not seek the DP for KM, but presumably they did not think a jury would impose it when considering all the required factors. JMO.

 

[TrialLurking]

Also, when questioned about how closely she was following the case, Wendi claimed that she only knew about it because of the death threats she has supposedly received. Of course, she's the real victim here. Obviously, these are non-serious threat, but DM didn't even receive the "courtesy" of advanced notice.

Yes, the name Jibbers was estabilished because DM was being hurtful and mean. He was hurtful and mean because he wouldn't let her take his kids to South Florida without him. What good father would allow that anyway.

 

[clearskies1]

One thing I found interesting was the jury questions for WA. She spoke towards the jury once instructed by the Judge, except for one question. The question that asked about what was wrong with her television. Her body language and explanation was off. She didn't even look at the jury. Just makes my radar go off. JMO

I noticed that as well. That was a good question by the jury. JMO.