GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #7 *arrests*

[jbc]

...she and her family became consumed with bitterness toward him, and it ended up destroying lives. We all have bad things happen, but the lesson I take away from this is to just move on, put it in the past, and live a happy life. If you let resentment ripen into hate, it might consume you. It certainly consumed the Adelsons, and look what happened.

"Others may hate you, but those that hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself."

I posted that before, but those words from 1974 were so influential that I have never forgotten them since they were uttered.
In that case - hindsight is crystal-clear 20/20, since they were from the final White House speech of Richard Nixon.

 

[Marysmith]

Funny how KM’s paycheques stopped just before SG’s arrest...

Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
The investigator said she reviewed 44, $407.58 bi-weekly checks - totaling $17,729 - from the Adelson Institute to Katherine Magbanua where she worked from Oct 2014 through May 17, 2016


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 2h2 hours ago
Checks were signed by Donna Adelson, the former in-law of Dan Markel


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
But the investigator said in reviewing Magbanua's employment records, she didn't find time sheets or a job description


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 1h1 hour ago
We're on lunch.


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 18m18 minutes ago
And we're back. The state is still questioning Mary Hull. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 17m17 minutes ago
Charlie Adelson texted Katherine Magbanua's name, birthday, and address to his mother in September of 2014. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 15m15 minutes ago
Hull says Donna Adelson wrote three checks in 2 days to Katherine Magbanua (and written one after the other in the checkbook) #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 13m13 minutes ago
The financial investigator is continuing to detail the bank account of Katherine Magbanua that shows groups of sequential checks from 2015 and 2016 that would have been written at the same time

 

[Marysmith]

Alibi... All the other stuff didn't go according to plan. DM on phone when executed, the neighbor hearing gunshots, Call to 911, bus videos, cell records...Therefore exact time of death and a track back to her and her own family and others is documented... It makes the TV Repairman alibi very suspicious timing.

This is so true. If that neighbour hadn’t also spotted the Prius it would have been a lot harder to track the suspects.

 

[jbc]

btw -- on the WA book: crappy book, piss-poor writing (so embarrassing from a University faculty member), and passive-aggressive rant directed right at her husband.
I'd bet DM took a quick, passing glance at it, sized it up accordingly, and basically said to WA - "are you kidding me?"
I'm sure WA was offended and felt marginalized by DM, but the book also made her feel empowered against DM.
If WA was really forthcoming with DM, she would have been showing him drafts of sections as she was writing it, instead of just springing it on him in published hardback form when it had already gone out to the public.

 

[Marysmith]

btw -- on the WA book: crappy book, piss-poor writing (so embarrassing from a University faculty member), and passive-aggressive rant directed right at her husband.
I'd bet DM took a quick, passing glance at it, sized it up accordingly, and basically said to WA - "are you kidding me?"
I'm sure WA was offended and felt marginalized by DM, but the book also made her feel empowered against DM.
If WA was really forthcoming with DM, she would have been showing him drafts of sections as she was writing it, instead of just springing it on him in published hardback form when it had already gone out to the public.

True and he did promote it and it’s only her that stated that he didn’t read it.

 

[TTF14]

Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 5m5 minutes ago
The Adelson parents income was approximately $2 million from 2013-2016. Charlie Adelson made between $3 million and $3.5 million in that time frame. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27

Golly, I wonder why Wendi said they are not millionaires?

 

[Weki]

And why the heck is a dentist office called an "institute"? So grandiose and misleading!!

 

[FreddyG]

I'm not sure that the fact that he didn't like fiction and probably knew his wife was not a skilled writer means he's egotistical and clueless. I think they were probably having problems in the relationship and he wasn't going out of his way to be ingratiating towards her. And writing a book that is all about not-so-subliminally bashing your husband is not exactly going to make your husband want to read it. I mean, I'm sure he realized that's what the book was about.

Many married men expect their wives to carry nearly all of the domestic load and childcare. Many women work outside the home and come home to work a second shift. Sadly, this dynamic hasn't really changed all that much, generally speaking. I would definitely understand her frustration after the kids came along to realize that she was going to be relegated to that status. Also, my understanding was that she wasn't able to get a career going in Tallahassee. I can definitely see resentment building due to that. But I'm also not sure if she wants to work as an attorney or what she does now. I think she's a spoiled brat and probably didn't have much direction. If you're someone like that, it's very difficult to be with someone who's driven and determined and knows what they want.

But I can see him being arrogant and callous. And selfish. But I give him the benefit of the doubt because of what I saw on the stand.

Without going into detail as to why, I'll just say that I am pretty confident about the accuracy of my characterizations of these two. Dan could be a real jerk--not intentionally cruel, but just thoughtless. Wendi could be a spoiled entitled princess. I just want to resist the narrative that Dan was a saint and Wendi an evil lying temptress. The truth is they both had their problems. Their marriage was fatally flawed and my strong sense is they were both at fault for the marriage's failure.

As for her job at FSU, Wendi was what's known in legal academia as a "trailing spouse." If that sounds like something no one wants to be, that's because it isn't. Basically, Dan got a job at FSU and to convince him to come, FSU offered her one too. But what they offered her not the same echelon of job that they offered him, a tenure-track (TT) position. Rather, it was an NTT (non tenure track) position as the director of an immigration clinic. This is great work, and many people would find it more rewarding than being a TT professor, because you are not just teaching and writing but actually affecting real cases.

That said, NTT jobs are generally considered lower status because (1) they get paid less, (2) they do not come with the promise of lifetime job security (tenure), and (3) they are generally easier to get so not considered as prestigious. So yes, the lower-status thing was a constant point of resentment for her, as was the "trailing spouse" thing.

So it's not that she had trouble getting a career going, it's that Wendi was doing work that she had to do because she had to follow him from a large legal market (Miami) to a tiny one (Tallahassee). That said, she seems passionate about immigration (putting aside for the moment the irony of her being a strong critic of family separation), so directing the immigration clinic does not seem far from her area of interest. And it seems to have rankled her that she was doing work that she had to take in order to facilitate Dan's job, even if it was work she enjoyed on some level.

 

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Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 4m4 minutes ago
Magbanua's attorney is going back to the sequential checks that were written by Donna Adelson for Magbanua. DeCoste asks if the same trend was found for the other employees. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27


Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 3m3 minutes ago
Although the checks are written at the same time, the checks are deposited at different times. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27

 

[friendlyobserver]

OMG this. hope that is heard by the jury. The tv was code all around, but I forgot that phone call after the sting...

I find that very suspect. The whole tv thing is suspect. Even DA refers to the undercover agent as a tv that is going to cost them 5k. ( Probable cause affidavit for CA) Plus her brother purchasing her a tv for a divorce gift. I don't look at my tv the same way anymore after this trial.

 

[Mariposa]

And why the heck is a dentist office called an "institute"? So grandiose and misleading!!

Grandiose and misleading is the family brand imo

 

[friendlyobserver]

She got a great position at the law school that she would not had gotten, given her law school credentials, without Dan sticking his neck out for her. He didn't read her book but he posted about it several times to promote it on his blog. To say he could be a real jerk in the context of this conversation is inappropriate in my mind. No spouse is perfect. But he would have never disappeared like that with the kids and not presenting the divorce filing face to face. He truly even after that tried to reconcile, wanted to go to couples therapy, did not want to speak badly about her because he kept saying he hopes they will get back together. In any event, since we are talking about MURDERERS I think it is inappropriate to interject with pointing out ordinary flaws of "good people on both sides in the relationship".

Without going into detail as to why, I'll just say that I am pretty confident about the accuracy of my characterizations of these two. Dan could be a real jerk--not intentionally cruel, but just thoughtless. Wendi could be a spoiled entitled princess. I just want to resist the narrative that Dan was a saint and Wendi an evil lying temptress. The truth is they both had their problems. Their marriage was fatally flawed and my strong sense is they were both at fault for the marriage's failure.

As for her job at FSU, Wendi was what's known in legal academia as a "trailing spouse." If that sounds like something no one wants to be, that's because it isn't. Basically, Dan got a job at FSU and to convince him to come, FSU offered her one too. But what they offered her not the same echelon of job that they offered him, a tenure-track (TT) position. Rather, it was an NTT (non tenure track) position as the director of an immigration clinic. This is great work, and many people would find it more rewarding than being a TT professor, because you are not just teaching and writing but actually affecting real cases.

That said, NTT jobs are generally considered lower status because (1) they get paid less, (2) they do not come with the promise of lifetime job security (tenure), and (3) they are generally easier to get so not considered as prestigious. So yes, the lower-status thing was a constant point of resentment for her, as was the "trailing spouse" thing.

So it's not that she had trouble getting a career going, it's that Wendi was doing work that she had to do because she had to follow him from a large legal market (Miami) to a tiny one (Tallahassee). That said, she seems passionate about immigration (putting aside for the moment the irony of her being a strong critic of family separation), so directing the immigration clinic does not seem far from her area of interest. And it seems to have rankled her that she was doing work that she had to take in order to facilitate Dan's job, even if it was work she enjoyed on some level.

 

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Jada E. Williams‏ @JadaEWilliams 3m3 minutes ago
DeCoste now asking if the breast surgery would have kept Magbanua from doing her job. Magbanua's attorneys are arguing that her job was to check on patients--- a job that can be done from home. #MarkelMurderTrialWTXL @abc27

 

[Weki]

Without going into detail as to why, I'll just say that I am pretty confident about the accuracy of my characterizations of these two. Dan could be a real jerk--not intentionally cruel, but just thoughtless. Wendi could be a spoiled entitled princess. I just want to resist the narrative that Dan was a saint and Wendi an evil lying temptress. The truth is they both had their problems. Their marriage was fatally flawed and my strong sense is they were both at fault for the marriage's failure.

As for her job at FSU, Wendi was what's known in legal academia as a "trailing spouse." If that sounds like something no one wants to be, that's because it isn't. Basically, Dan got a job at FSU and to convince him to come, FSU offered her one too. But what they offered her not the same echelon of job that they offered him, a tenure-track (TT) position. Rather, it was an NTT (non tenure track) position as the director of an immigration clinic. This is great work, and many people would find it more rewarding than being a TT professor, because you are not just teaching and writing but actually affecting real cases.

That said, NTT jobs are generally considered lower status because (1) they get paid less, (2) they do not come with the promise of lifetime job security (tenure), and (3) they are generally easier to get so not considered as prestigious. So yes, the lower-status thing was a constant point of resentment for her, as was the "trailing spouse" thing.

So it's not that she had trouble getting a career going, it's that Wendi was doing work that she had to do because she had to follow him from a large legal market (Miami) to a tiny one (Tallahassee). That said, she seems passionate about immigration (putting aside for the moment the irony of her being a strong critic of family separation), so directing the immigration clinic does not seem far from her area of interest. And it seems to have rankled her that she was doing work that she had to take in order to facilitate Dan's job, even if it was work she enjoyed on some level.

Ahhhh yes I remember now....the "trailing spouse" situation. So were her job prospects in Miami all that great before she followed him to Tallahassee? I guess she would've made more money working in a corporate law firm with the possibility of a partnership. That track could be considered more prestigious than managing an immigration clinic. Not sure how skilled she is as an attorney.

I can definitely understand being resentful that your husband's career comes first and will direct your life choices. I would NOT be happy in that kind of situation either. I can't lie.

ETA: Just to be clear. I'm just curious about what their marriage was like. There's no bothsidism in this situation imo. And I still maintain that she's character assassinated him in all of this. No question!

 

[clearskies1]

I have a hard time listening to this attorney because of his angry, sarcastic tone. I can't focus on the substance, just the anger. JMO.

 

[TTF14]

I have a hard time listening to this attorney because of his angry, sarcastic tone. I can't focus on the substance, just the anger. JMO.

Same! I get really anxious and all I can focus on is his attitude, not what he is saying.

 

[dotr]

I have a hard time listening to this attorney because of his angry, sarcastic tone. I can't focus on the substance, just the anger. JMO.

Ditto, feeling uncomfortable for the witness, the d. attorney's tone, borders on rude and haranguing. imo, speculation.

 

[kooshx]

I have a hard time listening to this attorney because of his angry, sarcastic tone. I can't focus on the substance, just the anger. JMO.

Seriously. It seems like KM's "terrible taste in men" extends to her choice of legal counsel.

 

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Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 6m6 minutes ago
Garcia's attorney points out that the 1984 Monte Carlo was sold for only $500. The motorcycle bought for $600 "Not extravagant purchases, right?"


Karl Etters‏Verified account @KarlEtters 4m4 minutes ago
In relation to the $100,000 supposedly paid for the murder Zangeneh asks: "Did you find any substantial cash withdrawal from the Adelsons whether its Wendi, Donna Harvey or Charlie?"

 

[YESorNO]

I feel like smacking this lawyer....he's arrogant.....