FL FL - Danny Rolling, Gainesville Ripper, 8 known victims LA/FL 1989-90

  • #21
southcitymom said:
The father apparently hated this boy's gets from the minute he was born and beat him and his mother relentlessly. Do you think that maybe the father perhaps reaped what he sowed? Certainly the father's brutality was a factor in the warped devlopment of this person. He's not evil. He's just another unloved, unwanted child.
There is so much to learn. Think of the people who are out of control with bipolar disorder, yet are then fine on medication. Some people are horrible people, mean and nasty, yet fine on an antidepressant - perhaps it's just something off in criminals, as well.

They aren't 100% bad people, though they do bad things. I mean - if they were so horrible, we'd know it before they killed anyone. As it is, we can't identify a serial killer before he does anything because he's mostly normal. Just like bipoloar people, depressed people (of which I was one) etc.

To me, signing a death warrent is no different from a contract killing. You want someone dead because you think they deserve it, you hire someone. Gov. Bush is doing the same thing. Wish I could execute him for his crimes.

I'm not trying to start any debate - I know no one will (or should) change their mind on how they feel based on another's opinion. I'm just saying what's on my mind after the execution last night. The one last night - a crime committed in 1985 - a lifetime ago. Since then, Rutheford has helped his children grow up loved by him, loved his grandbabies and has been a wonderful family member (I have seen him with his family when I go visit my pen pal) and I see no good it does anyone to kill him now. It certainly doesn't make me any safer, and it cost MILLIONS of dollars more, than it would have just to keep him for a life sentence without parole. Millions - for just one guy.

Okay, ignore me. I'm just having a rough time with last night's execution.
 
  • #22
GlitchWizard said:
There is so much to learn. Think of the people who are out of control with bipolar disorder, yet are then fine on medication. Some people are horrible people, mean and nasty, yet fine on an antidepressant - perhaps it's just something off in criminals, as well.

They aren't 100% bad people, though they do bad things. I mean - if they were so horrible, we'd know it before they killed anyone. As it is, we can't identify a serial killer before he does anything because he's mostly normal. Just like bipoloar people, depressed people (of which I was one) etc.

To me, signing a death warrent is no different from a contract killing. You want someone dead because you think they deserve it, you hire someone. Gov. Bush is doing the same thing. Wish I could execute him for his crimes.

I'm not trying to start any debate - I know no one will (or should) change their mind on how they feel based on another's opinion. I'm just saying what's on my mind after the execution last night. The one last night - a crime committed in 1985 - a lifetime ago. Since then, Rutheford has helped his children grow up loved by him, loved his grandbabies and has been a wonderful family member (I have seen him with his family when I go visit my pen pal) and I see no good it does anyone to kill him now. It certainly doesn't make me any safer, and it cost MILLIONS of dollars more, than it would have just to keep him for a life sentence without parole. Millions - for just one guy.

Okay, ignore me. I'm just having a rough time with last night's execution.
Thanks for your post, Glitchwizard. I really appreciate it. I too am sad when someone is executed - whether it's by the state or by their neighbor. We have a lot to learn.
 
  • #23
Hey Glitchwizard, do you know what Rutherford did? He killed an old lady, a widow, who lived alone. He planned it out weeks in advance. He had due process, and his sentence was just.

Who cares why Rollings committed these horrible crimes? He did. He is a poster boy for the Death Penalty. Also had due process.

Your comment about wanting to kill Governor Bush makes me sick. Get some help yourself.
 
  • #24
Garnan said:
Hey Glitchwizard, do you know what Rutherford did? He killed an old lady, a widow, who lived alone. He planned it out weeks in advance. He had due process, and his sentence was just.

Who cares why Rollings committed these horrible crimes? He did. He is a poster boy for the Death Penalty. Also had due process.

Your comment about wanting to kill Governor Bush makes me sick. Get some help yourself.
When you asked who cares why people commit murder, I have to assume you are meaning that you, personally, don't care. You can't possibly believe that no one besides me in this world would prefer to stop the problem - not just kill one person at a time that may or may not have killed someone else.

I follow a few of the DP cases very closely. It's not a due process at all.

Not sure why you think I need help. You think one way, I think another. Not everyone who disagrees with you needs help. You know?
 
  • #25
The fact that you want to execute Governor Bush makes me think you need help, not that you disagree with me. BTW, what crime did Gov Bush commit?


After what Danny Rolling did, he deserves much worse than the needle, but that's all he'll get. Why he tortured and brutalized those young people doesn't really matter to me. What's done is done. Time to write the final chapter for old Danny.
 
  • #26
Garnan said:
The fact that you want to execute Governor Bush makes me think you need help, not that you disagree with me. BTW, what crime did Gov Bush commit?


After what Danny Rolling did, he deserves much worse than the needle, but that's all he'll get. Why he tortured and brutalized those young people doesn't really matter to me. What's done is done. Time to write the final chapter for old Danny.
Gov Bush is a serial killer, he just thinks he's keeping his hands clean by contracting someone else to do it. I want him to stop killing people. If it makes you feel better, I'd really rather he just stop all by himself.
I wouldn't really execute him - that would make me no better than him.

I'm glad you said it doesn't matter to YOU - because it does matter to a great number of people.

Imagine if someone said it didn't matter WHY people got super manic and wrecked lives, then got majorly depressed - and so bipolar people should loose their children and be kept locked away in asylums for their own and other's protection....

People who it DID matter to invented a medication that lets them live normal lives and not hurt anyone.

As long as it matters to SOMEONE, there might be a solution.
 
  • #27
GOOD RIDDANCE,, rolling...!!
taking the life of someone who took an innocent person's life for no good reason is NOT "murder"... it is euthanization for the good of society.
 
  • #28
Governor Bush is just following the law. Florida law allows the death penalty, just as Texas, California and many other states. The law has been in place for many years. Only the legislature can change the law.

Signing death warrants is not equated with serial killing. I would suggest you lobby the legislature if you don't believe in the death penalty and want it stopped. In my view, the governor of any state would be remiss if he/she refused to carry out a legally obtained sentence.

I lived in Miami during the time that Rolling killed those students and am very familiar with the case. It was a horrible crime and I do believe it's time to carry out the sentence he was given.
 
  • #29
BarnGoddess said:
Governor Bush is just following the law. Florida law allows the death penalty, just as Texas, California and many other states. The law has been in place for many years. Only the legislature can change the law.

Signing death warrants is not equated with serial killing. I would suggest you lobby the legislature if you don't believe in the death penalty and want it stopped. In my view, the governor of any state would be remiss if he/she refused to carry out a legally obtained sentence.

I lived in Miami during the time that Rolling killed those students and am very familiar with the case. It was a horrible crime and I do believe it's time to carry out the sentence he was given.
I was at the University of Florida at the time, it was intense. I don't necessarily want the death penalty STOPPED - just want it to work correctly. I guess I want to rewrite it. :-)

If prosecutors and defendants would work together to find out what really happened, rather than try to "win" regardless of the truth - that's my main concern and I can't see that happening. This whole thing of what can and can't be presented, what is blown out of proportion or misrepresented (on both sides) makes me crazy. I don't understand why it's unimportant if you have the right guy, as long as you can make the pieces fit somewhat.
 
  • #30
I, too, have been waiting for this for a long time.

And before I start, I will ask everyone also to remember Danny Rolling's victims in Louisiana (although he was never brought back to his hometown, Shreveport, LA, for prosecution):

Julie Grissom
Tom Grissom
Sean Grissom

Okay, here goes (and please forgive my rambling ;)) . Back in 1988-89 I lived with my husband and two small children on the same block in Shreveport, Louisiana as Danny Rolling. I moved from that neighborhood in approximately July 1989, several months before he murdered the Grissom family.

One day I began to notice that every day this guy would be out in his yard (a police car was parked there, so who would think anything sinister?) waving at me on my way home from work and from picking up my babies from childcare. Well, being the naive country girl I was at that time, naturally I returned his waves (that is what Southern country people do). I never gave it a second thought, didn't even bother mentioning to my husband. The only time I ever heard anything else mentioned about him was when my husband and our neighbor (who both had muscle cars) would talk about the guy on the corner with the nice-looking Chevelle. They even tried to approach him once for "car talk," but my husband said he just gave them the brushoff and they said well, screw him, whatever.

Well, time rocks along and we move to another neighborhood, and then we hear about the heinous murders of the Grissom family. I distinctly remember that my husband was working the graveyard shift then and I had him install a double deadbolt on our back door, which had windows in it. Then, we heard news reports about some guy named Danny Rolling shooting his father, a policeman, and fleeing. I had no idea who this was and didn't pay much attention to it at all, just another story on the news. Then after the Gainesville murders and Danny Rolling's subsequent arrest, my husband said "Don't you remember that guy, he's the one who lived on the corner and had that old Chevelle?" I said, "You mean the one who used to wave at me every day on my way home from work? I thought he was just a friendly neighborhood guy." Needless to say, that was not the case. At that time, it creeped me out pretty bad.

Well, more time passes and we move back to our hometown in the country to get our children away from the city schools. Anywho, my husband had subsequently gone into cable/satellite TV work and we had one of those monstrous 10-feet satellite dishes and my husband knew how to tune it to all kinds of programming besides just your regular cable channels. One day while transponder-surfing, he came upon this FBI training video that was being broadcast to local LE departments regarding the Gainesville and Shreveport murders. My husband kept trying to get me to watch, but I couldn't bring myself to watch because I kept thinking about how Danny Rolling had waited for me every day, just to wave at me, just too creepy for me. The video showed the Shreveport crime scenes and (I think) even LE interviews with Rolling. On the video, it was disclosed that Rolling would break into neighborhood houses, rummage around, fix himself a sandwich, take a bite out of the sandwich and place it back in the refrigerator, and maybe steal some panties or something equally perverted.

Okay, so then my husband reminded me of the time we were out of town for a few days, came home and found our kitchen window had been broken and there was a half-eaten sandwich in the refrigerator. My husband had thought at the time that one of his buddies who had a house key had done it for a joke or maybe even been hungry, but no one ever owned up to it, and we just kind of blew it off and thought the window maybe had been broken before and we just hadn't noticed it. (Remember the naive country kids part here).

I just kind of was completely shocked and to this day I have never read any of the books written about and by Danny Rolling, for fear of what I might find. I am also hesitant to share this story because it sounds so implausible, but every word is 100% true. I was also always hesitant to put it out on the web cause what if Rolling somehow escaped death row and hunted me down?

So for everyone who believes that evil in the heart, no matter what the cause, should be coddled and excused, I think you are tragically wrong. My family could have easily been four more victims of Daniel Harold Rolling.

I, for one, will feel relief and and some sense of closure when this pseudohuman is exterminated.
 
  • #31
Wow, Adora, just wow.

God bless you.
 
  • #32
No amount of physical or emotional abuse excuses Danny Rolling from inflicting torture and death on other human beings. I'm sorry he had such a miserable existence, but he's a perfect example of why there's a death penalty in the first place. I hope his death brings some degree of closure to the families of his victims (probably not). Danny Rolling is a mad dog who needs to be euthanized. His death will come easy compared to what he inflicted on so many others.

To call Gov. Bush a serial killer for carrying out his responsibilities as governor of a state with the DP is totally uncalled for. I lost a great deal of respect for one poster after reading that comment. :razz:
 
  • #33
Adora,

Somehow, my views of the death penalty not working the way it should got confused by some posters that I think this Rollins guy didn't deserve to die. That wasn't my intent. I'm glad you were alright, and don't you ever worry about telling the truth and having it not sound believable, the truth is often like that. I run across the same thing when I say that the Death Penalty doesn't run correctly for the innocent. In this case, it ran through - and they got the right guy. But that's not always the case.

After a guy got arrested for shooting 7 people in the head and putting them in a walk in cooler at Steak and Shake in Gainesville (he had just been fired) I found out it was the guy I worked with at KFC who was nice to me, but didn't talk to anyone else - and was fired a week or two earlier from KFC! So - I totally believe your story, and I know it doesn't ever really leave you when something like that happens.
 
  • #34
Uh....NO. When you mentioned killing Jeb is where the confusion set in.
 
  • #35
AdoraBlue said:
I, too, have been waiting for this for a long time.

And before I start, I will ask everyone also to remember Danny Rolling's victims in Louisiana (although he was never brought back to his hometown, Shreveport, LA, for prosecution):

Julie Grissom
Tom Grissom
Sean Grissom

Okay, here goes (and please forgive my rambling ;)) . Back in 1988-89 I lived with my husband and two small children on the same block in Shreveport, Louisiana as Danny Rolling. I moved from that neighborhood in approximately July 1989, several months before he murdered the Grissom family.

One day I began to notice that every day this guy would be out in his yard (a police car was parked there, so who would think anything sinister?) waving at me on my way home from work and from picking up my babies from childcare. Well, being the naive country girl I was at that time, naturally I returned his waves (that is what Southern country people do). I never gave it a second thought, didn't even bother mentioning to my husband. The only time I ever heard anything else mentioned about him was when my husband and our neighbor (who both had muscle cars) would talk about the guy on the corner with the nice-looking Chevelle. They even tried to approach him once for "car talk," but my husband said he just gave them the brushoff and they said well, screw him, whatever.

Well, time rocks along and we move to another neighborhood, and then we hear about the heinous murders of the Grissom family. I distinctly remember that my husband was working the graveyard shift then and I had him install a double deadbolt on our back door, which had windows in it. Then, we heard news reports about some guy named Danny Rolling shooting his father, a policeman, and fleeing. I had no idea who this was and didn't pay much attention to it at all, just another story on the news. Then after the Gainesville murders and Danny Rolling's subsequent arrest, my husband said "Don't you remember that guy, he's the one who lived on the corner and had that old Chevelle?" I said, "You mean the one who used to wave at me every day on my way home from work? I thought he was just a friendly neighborhood guy." Needless to say, that was not the case. At that time, it creeped me out pretty bad.

Well, more time passes and we move back to our hometown in the country to get our children away from the city schools. Anywho, my husband had subsequently gone into cable/satellite TV work and we had one of those monstrous 10-feet satellite dishes and my husband knew how to tune it to all kinds of programming besides just your regular cable channels. One day while transponder-surfing, he came upon this FBI training video that was being broadcast to local LE departments regarding the Gainesville and Shreveport murders. My husband kept trying to get me to watch, but I couldn't bring myself to watch because I kept thinking about how Danny Rolling had waited for me every day, just to wave at me, just too creepy for me. The video showed the Shreveport crime scenes and (I think) even LE interviews with Rolling. On the video, it was disclosed that Rolling would break into neighborhood houses, rummage around, fix himself a sandwich, take a bite out of the sandwich and place it back in the refrigerator, and maybe steal some panties or something equally perverted.

Okay, so then my husband reminded me of the time we were out of town for a few days, came home and found our kitchen window had been broken and there was a half-eaten sandwich in the refrigerator. My husband had thought at the time that one of his buddies who had a house key had done it for a joke or maybe even been hungry, but no one ever owned up to it, and we just kind of blew it off and thought the window maybe had been broken before and we just hadn't noticed it. (Remember the naive country kids part here).

I just kind of was completely shocked and to this day I have never read any of the books written about and by Danny Rolling, for fear of what I might find. I am also hesitant to share this story because it sounds so implausible, but every word is 100% true. I was also always hesitant to put it out on the web cause what if Rolling somehow escaped death row and hunted me down?

So for everyone who believes that evil in the heart, no matter what the cause, should be coddled and excused, I think you are tragically wrong. My family could have easily been four more victims of Daniel Harold Rolling.

I, for one, will feel relief and and some sense of closure when this pseudohuman is exterminated.
I thank God that you and your family did not become victims of his. I am glad he is going to be done with!
 
  • #36
RiverRat said:
Uh....NO. When you mentioned killing Jeb is where the confusion set in.
Thank you for putting that back on track.
 
  • #37
RiverRat said:
Uh....NO. When you mentioned killing Jeb is where the confusion set in.
It was supposed to be taken in the context of the post, rather than singled out as literal. I believe it should be obvious that if I have a problem with someone performing executions, that I wasn't literally meaning he should be executed.

I can't imagine anyone confusing that for REAL. :doh:
 
  • #38
AdoraBlue said:
I, too, have been waiting for this for a long time.

And before I start, I will ask everyone also to remember Danny Rolling's victims in Louisiana (although he was never brought back to his hometown, Shreveport, LA, for prosecution):

Julie Grissom
Tom Grissom
Sean Grissom

Okay, here goes (and please forgive my rambling ;)) . Back in 1988-89 I lived with my husband and two small children on the same block in Shreveport, Louisiana as Danny Rolling. I moved from that neighborhood in approximately July 1989, several months before he murdered the Grissom family.

One day I began to notice that every day this guy would be out in his yard (a police car was parked there, so who would think anything sinister?) waving at me on my way home from work and from picking up my babies from childcare. Well, being the naive country girl I was at that time, naturally I returned his waves (that is what Southern country people do). I never gave it a second thought, didn't even bother mentioning to my husband. The only time I ever heard anything else mentioned about him was when my husband and our neighbor (who both had muscle cars) would talk about the guy on the corner with the nice-looking Chevelle. They even tried to approach him once for "car talk," but my husband said he just gave them the brushoff and they said well, screw him, whatever.

Well, time rocks along and we move to another neighborhood, and then we hear about the heinous murders of the Grissom family. I distinctly remember that my husband was working the graveyard shift then and I had him install a double deadbolt on our back door, which had windows in it. Then, we heard news reports about some guy named Danny Rolling shooting his father, a policeman, and fleeing. I had no idea who this was and didn't pay much attention to it at all, just another story on the news. Then after the Gainesville murders and Danny Rolling's subsequent arrest, my husband said "Don't you remember that guy, he's the one who lived on the corner and had that old Chevelle?" I said, "You mean the one who used to wave at me every day on my way home from work? I thought he was just a friendly neighborhood guy." Needless to say, that was not the case. At that time, it creeped me out pretty bad.

Well, more time passes and we move back to our hometown in the country to get our children away from the city schools. Anywho, my husband had subsequently gone into cable/satellite TV work and we had one of those monstrous 10-feet satellite dishes and my husband knew how to tune it to all kinds of programming besides just your regular cable channels. One day while transponder-surfing, he came upon this FBI training video that was being broadcast to local LE departments regarding the Gainesville and Shreveport murders. My husband kept trying to get me to watch, but I couldn't bring myself to watch because I kept thinking about how Danny Rolling had waited for me every day, just to wave at me, just too creepy for me. The video showed the Shreveport crime scenes and (I think) even LE interviews with Rolling. On the video, it was disclosed that Rolling would break into neighborhood houses, rummage around, fix himself a sandwich, take a bite out of the sandwich and place it back in the refrigerator, and maybe steal some panties or something equally perverted.

Okay, so then my husband reminded me of the time we were out of town for a few days, came home and found our kitchen window had been broken and there was a half-eaten sandwich in the refrigerator. My husband had thought at the time that one of his buddies who had a house key had done it for a joke or maybe even been hungry, but no one ever owned up to it, and we just kind of blew it off and thought the window maybe had been broken before and we just hadn't noticed it. (Remember the naive country kids part here).

I just kind of was completely shocked and to this day I have never read any of the books written about and by Danny Rolling, for fear of what I might find. I am also hesitant to share this story because it sounds so implausible, but every word is 100% true. I was also always hesitant to put it out on the web cause what if Rolling somehow escaped death row and hunted me down?

So for everyone who believes that evil in the heart, no matter what the cause, should be coddled and excused, I think you are tragically wrong. My family could have easily been four more victims of Daniel Harold Rolling.

I, for one, will feel relief and and some sense of closure when this pseudohuman is exterminated.


Thank you for this putting a REALISTIC face on an emotional issue Adora.
 
  • #39
GlitchWizard said:
To me, signing a death warrent is no different from a contract killing. You want someone dead because you think they deserve it, you hire someone. Gov. Bush is doing the same thing. Wish I could execute him for his crimes.

I will let him know. :croc:
 
  • #40
October 20. 2006 7:15AM


Fla. Supreme Court denies Rolling's appeal


ASSOCIATED PRESS




TALLAHASSEE -- The Florida Supreme Court has rejected an appeal by convicted serial killer Danny Rolling that claimed the state's death penalty is flawed, a week before he is scheduled to be executed.

In a 7-0 decision Wednesday, the justices said Rolling, 52, could not use an American Bar Association report on the matter as newly discovered evidence because it "is a compilation of previously available information" and includes nothing that would cause them to strike down the death penalty.

Rolling's lawyer, Baya Harrison III, said he plans further appeals. Rolling is scheduled to be executed Wednesday.

Harrison also filed papers that claim Florida's lethal injection procedure is unconstitutional because it causes extreme pain. The same argument was previously made by convicted killers Arthur Rutherford and Clarence Hill.

Rutherford was executed hours before Wednesday's ruling for the 1985 murder of a woman in Santa Rosa County. Hill was put to death Sept. 20 for killing a Pensacola police officer.

Rolling pleaded guilty in 1994 to the string of murders, and a judge followed a jury's recommendation that he be sentenced to death.

Rolling terrorized Gainesville in late August and early September 1990, killing four women and a man in their off-campus apartments. One victim was decapitated and others were mutilated, posed and sexually assaulted.

Killed were Christa Hoyt, 18, of Gainesville; Sonja Larson, 18, from Deerfield Beach; Christa Powell, 17, of Jacksonville; Tracy Paules, 23, and Manny Taboada, 23, both of Miami.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061020/BREAKING/61020002&start=1
 

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