FL FL - Daytona, WhtMale 2128UMFL, 11-21, near pond, denim jacket, May'72

[FamilyHistoryDetectives]

*Update: Right after posting earlier today I called the lab to check on his samples. Two extracts of Johnny's DNA have been sent to QC! This is quality control, where we examine what we've extracted to see how viable the sample is.

In spite of all of the previous failures, this extraction attempt was made on a newly discovered sample that has not been examined forensically since 1972. Every time we try something new, there is reason to hope.

THINK POSITIVE! It's time to send him home.

 

[Bit of hope]

*Update: Right after posting earlier today I called the lab to check on his samples. Two extracts of Johnny's DNA have been sent to QC! This is quality control, where we examine what we've extracted to see how viable the sample is.

In spite of all of the previous failures, this extraction attempt was made on a newly discovered sample that has not been examined forensically since 1972. Every time we try something new, there is reason to hope.

THINK POSITIVE! It's time to send him home.

Thank you all. Hopes up over here.

 

[madamx]

I came across this article and made me think about the Daytona boy. I wonder if this could be done with his clothing or has it been done already?

Girl's killer identified more than 50 years after she was abducted in Georgia

Thanks to DNA testing, investigators finally know who killed a 9-year-old girl in Georgia in 1972.

www.cbsnews.com

In May of 2015, the cloth recovered by police was sent to forensics for an updated analysis, which resulted in a partial profile attributed to an unknown male. Additional funding was obtained for DNA testing in 2019 and the cloth was analyzed again in 2022.
They were able to find relatives of the suspect, officials said. Those relatives gave investigators additional DNA samples for comparison.

 

[madamx]

*Update: Right after posting earlier today I called the lab to check on his samples. Two extracts of Johnny's DNA have been sent to QC! This is quality control, where we examine what we've extracted to see how viable the sample is.

In spite of all of the previous failures, this extraction attempt was made on a newly discovered sample that has not been examined forensically since 1972. Every time we try something new, there is reason to hope.

THINK POSITIVE! It's time to send him home.

I have not been on this thread in a while.. wow what s surprise to read on the new developments!!
I have been obsessed with this kid since I came across him years ago! Thank you to FamilyHistoryDetectives for taking an interest in him!!! thank you!!

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Bumping case up. It's sad that he doesn't have any exclusions listed. I hope a good-enough DNA sample was obtained. He really deserves to be identified. I think his story will be tragic, not just toward the end.

 

[DS2021]

*Update: Right after posting earlier today I called the lab to check on his samples. Two extracts of Johnny's DNA have been sent to QC! This is quality control, where we examine what we've extracted to see how viable the sample is.

In spite of all of the previous failures, this extraction attempt was made on a newly discovered sample that has not been examined forensically since 1972. Every time we try something new, there is reason to hope.

THINK POSITIVE! It's time to send him home.

Any updates?

 

[Fake Protagonist]

Any updates?

The last update I could find is from January, on the 'Volusia County John Doe 1972 Florida' Facebook page. The lady working his case at FHD Forensics said his new samples had gone through three different labs, including "the world's best", and none could extract enough viable DNA to build a profile. Additionally, his hair samples have failed five separate attempts to extract viable DNA. His DNA is very badly degraded because they heat-treated his body and buried it in a body bag without a coffin back in the 70s

They still have his hair samples in storage, and said they'd try another extraction when there's an advancement in technology. But until then, there's nothing they can do with the DNA. It is just too degraded.

 

[Orange_O]

This is a question I don't like to ask but do we know if it was only the public region shaved or the whole lower body (as the police were quoted as saying)? Do we know if the shaving was at, or around, death (i.e. was there stubble). It's a very particular thing to do, if it was a request/action by the killer and you'd think something that would appear in other sexual attack reports.

Of course if it was male on male there may not be as many reports from this time. It wouldn't be something you'd report to the police, I guess. Just stands out as very unusual (especially if it was the public area AND legs)

 

[Alleykins]

Hopefully, new technology will come along in DNA extraction so we can solve this case.

 

[The4TierBridge]

In the new interview between Colleen Fitzpatrick and Grays Hughes from 5 days ago she talked about how they were finally able to get a usable DNA sample from this guy! It’s going to be sent out for processing and biometrics after July 4.

She says this at about 17 minutes in.

 

[Alleykins]

In the new interview between Colleen Fitzpatrick and Grays Hughes from 5 days ago she talked about how they were finally able to get a usable DNA sample from this guy! It’s going to be sent out for processing and biometrics after July 4.

She says this at about 17 minutes in.

That's great news. They've tried a few times to get a usable DNA sample without success, as I recall.
Hopefully they'll ID him soon.

 

[madamx]

In the new interview between Colleen Fitzpatrick and Grays Hughes from 5 days ago she talked about how they were finally able to get a usable DNA sample from this guy! It’s going to be sent out for processing and biometrics after July 4.

She says this at about 17 minutes in.

OMG finally someone was able to obtain usable DNA!!! Omg that is amazing.. Has anyone heard an new updates?

 

[Melt71]

OMG finally someone was able to obtain usable DNA!!! Omg that is amazing.. Has anyone heard an new updates?

I was just looking a couple of days ago to see if there were any updates and couldn't see anything.

 

[snooptroop88]

Guess: I'm jmo not seeing anyone that would match up with the Doe's new age/height/weight in terms of someone who'd be very recently missing when this murder occurred. This Doe was murdered in May of 1972, any potential match I've spotted occurs some time before that date range-- so where would the missing person have been in the interim? Most likely scenarios jmo involve
-a runaway (much more likely, jmo)
-and/or some kind of coerced abduction period where the abductor threatened the victim into submission

The Doe had the equivalent of $45 in his pocket. He was perhaps supporting himself on the streets. So I think that Doe himself may have stolen that bike in an act of desperation. The abductor/murderer didn't know about the theft and thought it was the Doe's, left it behind with the murder victim when murderer found a site he viewed as "acceptable."

In the longer-term abduction situation, maybe the victim was getting some allowance from his captor. In such a scenario, the victim again might decide he should steal a bike, it would give him some independence, maybe he could even escape. But he didn't think things through far enough to realize a stolen bike might also draw LE into the scope of things and expose a longer-term abductor. And/or the abductor might have feared that the Doe might well use the bike to take off. My guess is the abductor may have gotten wind of the theft and murdered the Doe.

There are a couple of cases where young MPs disappeared and their bikes were left behind near bodies of water. Nobody knows what happened to these boys to this day, and they've been missing from right around this same timeframe (Richard Huerkamp 1965 Mapleton Minnesota, and James Zapolski 1966 Princeton NJ). And these are only cases I've become personally aware of, there may be more. Obviously, this Daytona Doe is extremely different from these other cases. But there are still some weird parallels there.