GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #17

[Missyrocks5]

They were suspected by the cops, but not by everyday people like Dave. She would’ve appeared as the ex wife of someone who died in an unsolved homicide, nothing more.

There are though social media posts before the bump talking about their contentious divorce and pointing the finger at them.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Someone earlier posted photos from the Indian wedding of the brother. Donna, in my opinion, does not look happy to be there. She is wearing a Sari, as is Wendi. The bride’s family were kind enough to also incorporate a separate Jewish ceremony and Jewish traditions at the reception. Unlike Donna who did not accommodate Dan’s wish for kosher food at Wendi’s wedding. What is even worse about that, IMO, is that they told him they would and then just didn’t.

I really hope that in Florida vs Donna Adelson, the State is going to be able to tell the long history of Donna interfering and manipulating her children's marriages to conform with her wishes. She forced/pressured/gave an ultimatum to Robert to break up with his Indian girlfriend to marry a Jewish woman. After Robert had that wedding annulled, she put on a Sari and fake smile but she knew she had lost control of Robert. And the entire family essentially hated Robert since.

This is the same lady who is feeding rabbis non-kosher food at Wendi's wedding. The same lady who Dan believed was the biggest catalyst for Wendi wanting a divorce. And the same lady who wants to use Dan's Judaism against him in the psychological torture of pretending to convert her grandkids to Christianity and dressing the kids up in Hitler Youth uniforms. Her sociopathy seems to have no limits.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Yep. None of this has ever made sense to me. Yes, Dan was shot. But Isom tells her their belief is that Dan was was targeted, and when she expresses fear for the boys, he expressly tells her there is no reason to believe anyone else is in danger. He tells her this very early on. It’s just a gut feeling I have, I’ve never been in that situation so I don’t know how I would react. Hypothetically, wouldn’t the natural impulse be to believe this was something related to Dan‘s own life, which he has led without you for two years? Why would the whole family be targeted, let alone the EX wife? Its not an intact family, and hasn’t been for two years. Even if someone didn’t like Dan, why go after his EX wife? They live in different houses, so the killers would know they’re not together. Who would have a vendetta against a broken family with two households? What would that vendetta be? It’s another weirdness. IMO.

BBM. This is soooo good. I really wish that Georgia used this exact line of questioning when asking Wendi why she fled Tally and changed the kids names. Did you believe that the killers were hunting everyone with a Markel surname? Did you warn Ruth and Phil? And even if that were the case, which its not, did you believe that they would especially want to kill Markel children with a middle name Armichai?

 

[amicuscurie]

and both knew a lot of rabbis would be attending! ( I haven't watched this new 20/20 yet but I recall at least one rabbi had felt offended)

It’s very strange in my opinion that she married someone so religious given her level of observance. I know he got more observant as time went on, but the kosher thing was apparent at the wedding.

 

[cottonweaver]

dear God!
Donna on The Wheel of Fortune and a ' Domestic Coordinator'

( Youtube only has the 20/20 trailer as yet)

at 1 m 53secs ( she sells herself as if she owned her kids' lives)

 

[amicuscurie]

I really hope that in Florida vs Donna Adelson, the State is going to be able to tell the long history of Donna interfering and manipulating her children's marriages to conform with her wishes. She forced/pressured/gave an ultimatum to Robert to break up with his Indian girlfriend to marry a Jewish woman. After Robert had that wedding annulled, she put on a Sari and fake smile but she knew she had lost control of Robert. And the entire family essentially hated Robert since.

This is the same lady who is feeding rabbis non-kosher food at Wendi's wedding. The same lady who Dan believed was the biggest catalyst for Wendi wanting a divorce. And the same lady who wants to use Dan's Judaism against him in the psychological torture of pretending to convert her grandkids to Christianity and dressing the kids up in Hitler Youth uniforms. Her sociopathy seems to have no limits.

Why did she seem to think that threatening to convert the kids to Christianity would make him suddenly decide to allow them to live with Wendi 700 miles away? Was the thinking that she was supposed to agree not to do that if he would let her move? Is that how she thinks conversion works? You find Jesus, but then you agree not to?

 

[amicuscurie]

dear God!
Donna on The Wheel of Fortune and a ' Domestic Coordinator'

( Youtube only has the 20/20 trailer as yet)

at 1 m 53secs ( she sells herself as if she owned her kids' lives)

That and the photo of the family in old-timey outfits!

 

[amicuscurie]

Luis R said in his proffer interview that after the hit SG told KM on the phone that wtte the money had better be ready and she'd better not mess them around. ( whether SG had already emphasised that several times previously, IDK)

So, when the hitmen return to Sth Florida that night 18th, maybe Charlie was worried there was a risk somebody would show-up at his house for the cash? He wouldn't know that the hitmen would go out & get stoned ? So when he hears Katie ring the doorbell 11pm-ish , he has his gun, just in case

Another reason for CA's general anxiety might be fact that DM was not yet dead ? ( He didn't get told til 19th by WA.)
Also, during the earliest reports that day there were many rumours, some false, but one of them was that DM was on the phone when he was shot & that a neighbour had seen a vehicle. Maybe those rumours swirling around TAL and on Facebook also contributed to his panic too? I think I'd be taking a bar of Xanax too!

It makes sense to me that he could possibly have been worried about bad guys coming to get their money. Is the defense correct when they say most hits are usually paid for in advance?

 

[amicuscurie]

BBM. This is soooo good. I really wish that Georgia used this exact line of questioning when asking Wendi why she fled Tally and changed the kids names. Did you believe that the killers were hunting everyone with a Markel surname? Did you warn Ruth and Phil? And even if that were the case, which its not, did you believe that they would especially want to kill Markel children with a middle name Armichai?

Dbm

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Why did she think that threatening to convert the kids to Christianity would make him suddenly decide to allow them to live with Wendi 700 miles away? If anything, it would make him want to keep them closer, IMO. To me, it’s not a rational or logical plan. Was the thinking that she was supposed to agree not to do that if he would let her move?

Donna is clearly deranged so it's hard to know. I think its part of her cognitive bias and belief that Dan's actions during the divorce were just a leverage game. She believed that he really didn't care about being a father to the kids - he was just trying to torture Wendi and Donna.

The most striking thing to me is that neither Wendi or Donna - in their months of pre-planning the divorce and even during the first few months where Dan is trying to win Wendi back - they never once considered treating Dan like a human being. It never even crossed their minds. They didn't even pretend to seek an amicable separation or positive co-parenting relationship.

 

[amicuscurie]

Donna is clearly deranged so it's hard to know. I think its part of her cognitive bias and belief that Dan's actions during the divorce were just a leverage game. She believed that he really didn't care about being a father to the kids - he was just trying to torture Wendi and Donna.

The most striking thing to me is that neither Wendi or Donna - in their months of pre-planning the divorce and even during the first few months where Dan is trying to win Wendi back - they never even considered treating Dan like a human being. It never even crossed their minds. They never even pretended to seek an amicable separation or positive co-parenting relationship. These are toddler kids!

In my opinion it seems that Donna might have soured on him once he had served his purpose of providing grandkids with acceptable DNA. She might have started pushing for divorce at the first sign of marital problems, which, btw, all couples go through. I don’t know this for a fact, of course, it’s JMO.

 

[Pesto919]

Donna is clearly deranged so it's hard to know. I think its part of her cognitive bias and belief that Dan's actions during the divorce were just a leverage game. She believed that he really didn't care about being a father to the kids - he was just trying to torture Wendi and Donna.

The most striking thing to me is that neither Wendi or Donna - in their months of pre-planning the divorce and even during the first few months where Dan is trying to win Wendi back - they never even considered treating Dan like a human being. It never even crossed their minds. They never even pretended to seek an amicable separation or positive co-parenting relationship. These are toddler kids

I agree with all of this!! It is baffling to me that they thought the inconvenience of traveling 7 hours from Miami to see the grandkids was enough to murder the father of their grandkids? Dan might not have been a great husband but he seemed like a reasonable guy. If they hadn't been so vindictive I'm sure something could have been worked out best for all involved.

 

[Wishbone]

In my opinion it seems that Donna might have soured on him once he had served his purpose of providing grandkids with acceptable DNA. She might have started pushing for divorce at the first sign of marital problems, which, btw, all couples go through. I don’t know this for a fact, of course, it’s JMO.

It's all about poor little WA and how DM made her feel less than....she says there was never that special physical spark in their relationship...he was always working...he was too kosher....blah blah blah. So my question is, wasn't his career moving fast enough and the big bucks rolling in fast enough to suit her greedy self and she felt that she wasn't getting what she really wanted out of the marriage, the reason she had settled for him in the first place?

 

[Blue Shakehead]

I agree with all of this!! It is baffling to me that they thought the inconvenience of traveling 7 hours from Miami to see the grandkids was enough to murder the father of their grandkids? Dan might not have been a great husband but he seemed like a reasonable guy. If they hadn't been so vindictive I'm sure something could have been worked out best for all involved.

I think one of the many reasons I'm so obsessed with this case is because I can identify with Dan (and alternatively, have a morbid curiosity with the minds of the Adelsons). I went through a divorce with toddler kids. My ex-wife was cheating on me and when I found out the marriage was obviously over. But my first reaction was absolute HORROR - not for me but for the kids. It made me physically sick to process how to tell the kids and then have them grow up in a broken home. Or 2 homes. I didn't blame her for the cheating and promised to never tell anyone cause I didn't want my kids to find out, ever. This is probably the first time I'm telling anyone that. I spent the first few months reading books about how to navigate divorce and co-parent so we could have the least amount of trauma possible on the kids. So I will never properly understand Wendi and Donna but - like any decent human being - I can understand Dan.

 

[alexwood]

I believe, but I am not sure, that June has told police in an interview that Charlie lived with the mother of the child around the time of the birth and for some time thereafter. That’s why June says they broke up, among other things. He got another girl pregnant. So the family knew about the child.

Yes. I saw this testimony. But, I would not put it past Charlie Adelson to keep the existence in his life of this woman and child from his own family. I don't think that DA would approve of her son being responsible for a child being born "out of wedlock." In the final analysis, he probably bought her a big screen TV and called it good. Then, she had to pursue child support for the baby. What an upstanding guy.

From the FSU Law Professor Murder Trial Day 9 (posted above)

June Umchinda admitted to seeing Charlie with “thousands and thousands of dollars” of cash, in stacks of hundreds, and reluctantly acknowledged to the jury that these stacks of hundreds were stapled together.

June Umchinda: “So, I was always like who staples money and stuff? Like use a paperclip or something,” she said to the pair of investigators. [This statement cracks me up!]

Umchinda said she watched the 20/20 special on the case with Charlie, who claimed that the show “got it wrong.” She said Charlie said he didn’t pay for Magbanua’s full breast augmentation, but rather, just “one of them.”

[At 4:57/1:13:18 of the posted video]
Georgia Cappelman: "Do you recall giving a statement, on July 24, 2018, to Law Enforcement?"

June Umchinda: "Yes. And I wanted to say at that time that, obviously, you know, he just had a baby with someone else, and that's the primary reason we broke up. So, when I gave that interview, the baby was six months old and Bree [sp?] moved into the house, then they got a dog, and I thought I'd never speak to him again. So, I was obviously, you know, hurt and angry."

Georgia Cappelman: "O.K. So, were you lying to law enforcement back in July 24, 2018, because of your anger?"

June Umchinda: "No."

 

[amicuscurie]

I agree with all of this!! It is baffling to me that they thought the inconvenience of traveling 7 hours from Miami to see the grandkids was enough to murder the father of their grandkids? Dan might not have been a great husband but he seemed like a reasonable guy. If they hadn't been so vindictive I'm sure something could have been worked out best for all involved.

Of course. Dan was already traveling to NY a lot, he had a girlfriend there, he might not have wanted to stay in Tally. The motion to relocate was made very early on. Something most likely would have changed, things always do. Wendy, btw, said as much on the stand in this trial. She said she believed they could have worked something out.

It’s amazing that Donna thought that THEIR travel, and the loss of income to THEIR business, would be something a court would consider at all, or that it was relevant to Wendi’s divorce. In one of Donna’s emails, she’s giving Wendi arguments to make in support of her petition, and it’s literally “my parents are losing income because they have to drive up here.” It should have been a list of reasons the children and Wendi should be allowed to move, but the reasons she lists are all about how moving will affect HER, not them. Also, Donna says in one of the emails that Wendi could have a nanny if she moved. Why, instead of driving all that way regularly, didn’t they just pay for her to get some help with the kids?

 

[alexwood]

yes definitely not stripper "bottle girl" which as a pretty conservative non clubbing woman of a certain age was a new term for me. I sat thru some of this testimony just amazed that this accomplished professional dentist/surgeon was living this dual life and discussing Latin Kings...tuto and tato and taking trips to Asia for sexual tourism. I guess no one really was around him that much in the office as he traveled to do his work.

"Work."

 

[amicuscurie]

I think one of the many reasons I'm so obsessed with this case is because I can identify with Dan (and alternatively, have a morbid curiosity with the minds of the Adelsons). I went through a divorce with toddler kids. My ex-wife was cheating on me and when I found out the marriage was obviously over. But my first reaction was absolute HORROR - not for me but for the kids. It made me physically sick to process how to tell the kids and then having them grow up in a broken home. Or 2 homes. I didn't blame her for the cheating and promised to never tell anyone cause I didn't want my kids to find out, ever. This is probably the first time I'm telling anyone that. I spent the first few weeks reading books about how to navigate divorce and co-parent. So I will never properly understand Wendi and Donna but - like any decent human being - I can understand Dan.

dbm

 

[alexwood]

It's all about poor little WA and how DM made her feel less than....she says there was never that special physical spark in their relationship...he was always working...he was too kosher....blah blah blah. So my question is, wasn't his career moving fast enough and the big bucks rolling in fast enough to suit her greedy self and she felt that she wasn't getting what she really wanted out of the marriage, the reason she had settled for him in the first place?

Wishbone, I'm going to ask you to re-phrase your question. [I've been watching too many trials!]

 

[amicuscurie]

"Work."

Still amazes me that apparently (at least from what we’ve seen), Donna didn’t object to any of these women, given how controlling it seems she was with the other two children and their relationships. “Equal parts black sheep and momma’s boy” is a brilliant bit of phrasing by Georgia. What an interesting family dynamic.