GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #19

[Zedzded]

I don’t think her telling people the hitman joke was impulsive at all. Most people would think that she wouldn’t be dumb enough to say this if she actually knew that Charlie had hired a hitman. So, if she had knowledge of the crime, this might be a way to make people think she didn’t. So, just more of her reverse psychology IMO. It also throws suspicion on Charlie. People assume she wouldn’t want to incriminate her own brother, but why assume that? I’ve read that people think she only told the police because she had already told the TV repair and and LaCasse. But why tell those people?

Yeah she was anxious and stressed when the TV repairman turned up, not in the mood for jokes. She told as many people as possible about the joke, she could then say to LW it was just a joke while "unintentionly" throwing thew spotlight on CA..oopsie.

 

[Zedzded]

Who among us has kept - much less still using - the phone we had in 2014?

Data is carried over from old phones to new. Even deleted data.

 

[opt]

WA must have told the joke to friends before it became reality in 2014. Otherwise there would have been no advantage to repeating it.

 

[Sustained]

Data is carried over from old phones to new. Even deleted data.

I believe that's true in a couple of cases -

1. You have stored your data in the cloud.
2. You request a data transfer when you get a new phone and even then, you can request what you want transferred.

But I can out and buy a new phone, transfer my SIM card, and activate the phone without transferring any data.

Same as getting a new laptop.

 

[cottonweaver]

WA must have told the joke to friends before it became reality in 2014. Otherwise there would have been no advantage to repeating it.

IMO she told Lacasse but not as a joke, so later she had to repeat it as if she was only joking, and she did to the repair man

IMO when she'd told Lacasse it was a risky mistake, not a joke ( Lacasse also emphasised it wasn't) , it was a confidence, possibly as have said before, the woman who "drank her dinner" was a little inebriated at the end of the date when she told him. ( Also Jeff had started to hate Dan too, it's there in his interviews. He was an easy person to speak the unspeakable to)

I think she reflected on that risky mistake in the days thereafter and she worried.

Also JL testimony : " WA has a habit of blurting out things which are not in her best interest"( or wtte)

eta quote for that point about why it might be easy, drunk to say that to Jeff:

JL interview:
“She meant it, dead serious,” Lacasse continued. “I would joke around, saying I’d like to kill Danny Markel. ... That is different. She said it in a dead serious, chilling, uncomfortable way. ... In the moment, my stomach flipped. I was like, ‘Whoa.’”

FSU Law Professor's Former Boyfriend Claims She Said Her Brother Talked About Killing Ex-Husband

Dan Markel was killed on the morning of July 18, 2014, at his home.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Luna20]

She appears, from her phone records, to have begun contacting her lunch companions around 11 or 11:30. Definitely last minute. Doesn’t mean the lunch wasn’t planned in advance, but it is consistent with making plans at the last minute, perhaps to have a reason to be leaving the house.

I wonder if there is footage of her at lunch with her friends. I would love to see her demeanor and overall state of mind. Was she in celebratory mode, adrenaline rush, nervously checking her phone etc? If she hadn’t said she saw the crime scene perimeter it wouldn’t be a matter of how she was ‘acting’ at lunch (it wouldn’t come in to question).

 

[amicuscurie]

IMO she told Lacasse but not as a joke, so later she had to repeat it as if she was only joking, and she did to the repair man

IMO when she'd told Lacasse it was a risky mistake, not a joke ( Lacasse also emphasised it wasn't) , it was a confidence, possibly as have said before, the woman who "drank her dinner" was a little inebriated at the end of the date when she told him. ( Also Jeff had started to hate Dan too, it's there in his interviews. He was an easy person to speak the unspeakable to)

I think she reflected on that risky mistake in the days thereafter and she worried.

Also JL testimony : " WA has a habit of blurting out things which are not in her best interest"( or wtte)

Why on earth would she tell the TV repair guy, though? So weird. Especially IF she knew? Is this just something she associates with that TV? This must have been a very long-running family “joke.”

 

[cottonweaver]

Why on earth would she tell the TV repair guy, though? So weird. Especially IF she knew? Is this just something she associates with that TV? This must have been a very long-running family “joke.”

If you'd said that to Jeff and you started to worry about it, might be good idea to try and pretend it was just a joke .
what do you do? Repeat it as an innocent joke?
( As you said, reverse psychology is a factor too. Next she tells Isom that she repeated the joke. )

But ....need the date that Jeff gave for the conversation. I can't be bothered to watch all his interviews again. ( then can tie the date into the estimated date for smashing of TV)

 

[LinasK]

Who among us has kept - much less still using - the phone we had in 2014?

We are still on Iphone 5's because new phones are just too expensive to keep replacing.

 

[LinasK]

This is kind of interesting. Sounds like LE did not think that their download of WA's phone at the police station was sufficient -- they apparently got a search warrant for her phone a few days days later:

"Three days after Markel was killed, a judge signed a search warrant for information on Wendi Adelson’s phone and investigators began searching her Web browser and email records.

On her computer, investigators found Google Chrome keyword searches for Markel’s girlfriend Amy Adler, Adler's ex-husband and Adler's brother. They also found that Wendi Adelson had searched several po rn sites for “teacher/student po rn.”

Documents reveal early Markel investigation

Within months of Dan Markel's slaying, detectives had most of the evidence linking two South Florida men to the killing of the Florida State law professor.

www.tallahassee.com

Further plan to drag Dan's name through the mud, much like Jodi Arias tried to do???

 

[LinasK]

Two questions- why do you think she made the plans last minute, and why didn’t she want them to know? There’s nothing wrong with making last minute lunch plans. Unless you are hiding something. To me, her wanting to obscure even this innocuous detail is suspicious.

Clearly it's to establish an alibi. The reason why it's last-minute, and she didn't want them to know that is because she hadn't had it all planned out in advance. A good alibi would have been already planned.

 

[amicuscurie]

If you'd said that to Jeff and you started to worry about it, might be good idea to try and pretend it was just a joke .
what do you do? Repeat it as an innocent joke?
( As you said, reverse psychology is a factor too. Next she tells Isom that she repeated the joke. )

But ....need the date that Jeff gave for the conversation. I can't be bothered to watch all his interviews again. ( then can tie the date into the estimated date for smashing of TV)

He said she told him the Sunday evening prior to the murder, July 13. He dated the smashing of the TV to sometime in June, after the first attempt on Dan’s life.

 

[amicuscurie]

Clearly it's to establish an alibi.

An alibi for the crime itself, or for driving past the scene, or both?

 

[Gypsy Road]

WA must have told the joke to friends before it became reality in 2014. Otherwise there would have been no advantage to repeating it.

Wendi is cut from the same cloth as Charlie though, and we all know how much he likes repeats himself. It’s in the family genes. IMO

On a side note, the other night I rewatched some of Wendi’s testimony during Charles trial and I’m always kinda shocked when she tries to tell Georgia that her police interview transcript is incorrect when Georgia is trying to make a point. June did the same thing. Who does that?

 

[amicuscurie]

Wendi is cut from the same cloth as Charlie though, and we all know how much he likes repeats himself. It’s in the family genes. IMO

On a side note, the other night I rewatched some of Wendi’s testimony during Charles trial and I’m always kinda shocked when she tries to tell Georgia that her police interview transcript is incorrect when Georgia is trying to make a point. June did the same thing. Who does that?

Maybe people who don’t like what the transcript says. Just my opinion.

 

[LinasK]

An alibi for the crime itself, or for driving past the scene, or both?

Can't say I understand how her brain works well enough to venture that guess. My thought initially was the crime, but maybe both?

 

[Luna20]

Clearly it's to establish an alibi.

Positively! And the best part is she foiled her own plan on the manifesto. Ironically their intelligence is lost on their intelligence.

‘Etablish an alibi’=Failed

 

[Gypsy Road]

Maybe people who don’t like what the transcript says. Just my opinion.

Exactly. I’m a pretty law abiding person, and I can not imagine telling a prosecutor that what is written in the police transcript is not correct. That takes some balls! Both Wendi and June tried to back track on things that they said that incriminated CA. And both are still trying to protect him.

 

[clearskies1]

Two questions- why do you think she made the plans last minute, and why didn’t she want them to know? There’s nothing wrong with making last minute lunch plans. Unless you are hiding something. To me, her wanting to obscure even this innocuous detail is suspicious.

Don't know. Theory: A legit reason to leave the house at that time. Bourbon run wasn't good enough -- she could have done that later. Lunch gave her a reason to leave the house mid-day and fit in the bourbon/Trescott jaunt while out. Possible she knew the "real purpose" of the lunch date/bourbon run and overreacted when Isom said it was last minute -- a guilty mind needs no accusers! JMO.

 

[Weki]

IMO she told Lacasse but not as a joke, so later she had to repeat it as if she was only joking, and she did to the repair man

IMO when she'd told Lacasse it was a risky mistake, not a joke ( Lacasse also emphasised it wasn't) , it was a confidence, possibly as have said before, the woman who "drank her dinner" was a little inebriated at the end of the date when she told him. ( Also Jeff had started to hate Dan too, it's there in his interviews. He was an easy person to speak the unspeakable to)

I think she reflected on that risky mistake in the days thereafter and she worried.

Also JL testimony : " WA has a habit of blurting out things which are not in her best interest"( or wtte)

eta quote for that point about why it might be easy, drunk to say that to Jeff:

JL interview:
“She meant it, dead serious,” Lacasse continued. “I would joke around, saying I’d like to kill Danny Markel. ... That is different. She said it in a dead serious, chilling, uncomfortable way. ... In the moment, my stomach flipped. I was like, ‘Whoa.’”

FSU Law Professor's Former Boyfriend Claims She Said Her Brother Talked About Killing Ex-Husband

Dan Markel was killed on the morning of July 18, 2014, at his home.

abcnews.go.com

A very interesting idea! She had Lacasse hoodwinked so she got too comfortable and blurted it out! Then after she dumps him and realizes she’s going to throw his name out there as a suspect she probably put two and two together and thought I better minimize the impact of that confession. She probably never told Charlie or Donna she had told Lacasse that. Devious and calculated — right up her alley.