GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #19

[Sustained]

In between sobs. Hah. Exactly. And remember how she said, Dan said that only he knew what a horrible person she was. That everyone else thought she was so great, but only he knew the truth. Well, Jeff L figured it out too. He admitted that he was just so besotted with the woman that, despite his Spidey senses going off in four hours of meeting Charlie, he was under her spell. But he said she is a pathological liar.

Those are the folks who can pass lie detector tests, because they have no conscience, and would never raise a heartbeat or sweat or do anything when they're lying. Calm as a cucumber. Scary.

Your comparison to Jodi Arias is spot on as I remember her battles with Juan Martinez on the stand and her thinking she was the smartest person in the courtroom. Jodi used her sexuality to its fullest to lock Travis in just as I suspect WA did initially with DM and later with JL and Dave. WA definitely knows how to play the relationship game, perhaps not to the obsessive level of Arias, but how to reel them in and keep them guessing.

 

[Zedzded]

How nice is this - Georgia and law enforcement were about to arrest CA, but the Markels had a visit planned to see the kids. So they waited until the visit had gone ahead, phoned the Markels who confirmed they'd seen them and went and nabbed CA!

 

[Blue Shakehead]

All the prosecution need to do is discredit Wendi and discredit that police interview, which won't be hard to do. She lies throughout the interview. And there are multiple witnesses including Lacasse that can confirm her hatred for DM intensified after his death, which really exemplifies how fake those tears and emotions were.

I think its fairly easy to explain that she hated Dan Markel with an obsession and so her reaction is completely over the top; those are crocodile tears. The real obstacle is coming up with an explanation for her pointing the finger right at her own family. Even framing Jeff Lacasse will be hard to fully explain because Jane was the one who pointed the finger at Jeff.

Back in 2016, there was an army of Wendi defenders out there saying there's no way she would ever sit with law enforcement for 6 hours as a lawyer and then point the finger at her own family if she had anything to do with it. Some of these people were Dan Markels friends. It was only when they saw her testimony in 2019 - when they ultimately turned on her and decided she was guilty. But we aren't going to get any Wendi testimony in a Wendi trial.

So the prosecution has its work cut out. I am personally of the opinion that a jury could overcome some of these Wendi misdirections - particularly once they find out that she stole a holocaust ring, changed the kids names and middle name a month after the murder and then refused visitation to the Markels the second a couple Latin Kings got arrested. I could probably make my own list of 100 reasons for why Wendi's is guilty. But the Wendi trial is not going to be some Carl Steinbeck steamroll to certain victory (has that guy ever lost a case?? lol). Its not going to be some double extortion nonsense, its going to be high-powered defense attorneys throwing Charlie and Donna right under the bus but also making Wendi and out to be the hero who gave law enforcement the keys to solving the case in the first few hours by turning in her own family.

And thats just the first hill to climb. The defense is going to seize on the fact that Wendi is not on any wiretaps, she's not meeting anyone in secret. Its only Charlie and Donna. They even bring in Harvey but not Wendi. Thats another big hill to climb. Can it be done? Absolutely. But these are the reasons the State has not charged her yet, IMO. I still think they will, but I understand why they haven't.

 

[Zedzded]

So the prosecution has its work cut out. I am personally of the opinion that a jury could overcome some of these Wendi misdirections - particularly once they find out that she stole a holocaust ring, changed the kids names and middle name a month after the murder and then refused visitation to the Markels the second a couple Latin Kings got arrested. I could probably make my own list of 100 reasons for why Wendi's is guilty. But the Wendi trial is not going to be some Carl Steinbeck steamroll to certain victory (has that guy ever lost a case?? lol). Its not going to be some double extortion nonsense, its going to be high-powered defense attorneys throwing Charlie and Donna right under the bus but also making Wendi and out to be the hero who gave law enforcement the keys to solving the case in the first few hours by turning in her own family.

Yup, I think you're right.
I think if WA is arrested and goes to trial, she won't perform well if she takes the stand. She speaks well, is relatively composed and articulate, but just does not seem like someone who has their s*** together. Constantly lying, lying about stuff she doesn't need to e.g how much DM was insured for. And lying knowing full well the prosecution has evidence that will contradict her. I thought CA did much better on the stand.

 

[IQuestion]

How nice is this - Georgia and law enforcement were about to arrest CA, but the Markels had a visit planned to see the kids. So they waited until the visit had gone ahead, phoned the Markels who confirmed they'd seen them and went and nabbed CA!

Zedzded Interesting info. Can you link it for us?

 

[Zedzded]

Zedzded Interesting info. Can you link it for us?

Towards the end of the video, Ruth Markel:

 

[Missyrocks5]

Your comparison to Jodi Arias is spot on as I remember her battles with Juan Martinez on the stand and her thinking she was the smartest person in the courtroom. Jodi used her sexuality to its fullest to lock Travis in just as I suspect WA did initially with DM and later with JL and Dave. WA definitely knows how to play the relationship game, perhaps not to the obsessive level of Arias, but how to reel them in and keep them guessing.

You're right. Down to the head tilt and eye contact. Same way she talks

 

[Luna20]

Are you sure about this? The judge's rules yesterday explicitly prohibited DA from talking with victims or witnesses. HA was a witness to the arrest on the jet way. I do agree that DA can communicate with CA indirectly via two hops: her lawyer first who can then relay info to HA.

He wasn’t a witness to the murder.

 

[Zedzded]

He wasn’t a witness to the murder.

But I think Georgia can add him to her list of prosecution witnesses and if she does, DA and HA cannot communicate. I think the only family member she can communicate with is her estranged son.

 

[opt]

He wasn’t a witness to the murder.

Only to the cover-up. If not to the planning.

 

[Luna20]

Only to the cover-up. If not to the planning.

Right and we may never find out just how much he knew unless there is digital evidence.

 

[Zedzded]

Right and we may never find out just how much he knew unless there is digital evidence.

I reckon that phone of DAs will have a treasure trove of evidence. She wasn't expecting to get arrested and didn't have time to delete evidence.

 

[tmar]

I reckon that phone of DAs will have a treasure trove of evidence. She wasn't expecting to get arrested and didn't have time to delete evidence.

She had years to delete phone evidence.

 

[Kerri br]

She had years to delete phone evidence.

Agreed I think it’s going to be a nothing burger.

 

[Zedzded]

She had years to delete phone evidence.

We are talking about people that are beyond stupid. Worse than stupid. You get stupid people that know they're stupid, but these people are stupid and think they're smart! e.g talking about your secretive plans to leave the country and escape authorities. They don't think, if I do this or say this will i get caught? They think no-one will ever catch them. Plus she's 73 and her tech-saviness may be questionable. Has she been diligent about only using Whatsapp for example. I think there will be communication between her and HA that will drop HA right in the sh!!t.

 

[amicuscurie]

Agreed I think it’s going to be a nothing burger.

Cellbrite, or whatever it’s called, can get stuff you’ve deleted. They confronted WA with deleted stuff at trial.

 

[Deleted member 302228]

I am going to look at the STS live feeds - but it takes time and I don't want to do an overly long reply post in reference to your 20 or so points.

I just had a look at one of days you have referenced and for example on the day you say he's absent ( bolded text) he was present and actually says loudly on air ' She's just a Liar!'

(It's in the sequence where he suggests that the Trescott issue needs a video to show the jury that Wendi's story is not credible)

Right, I wrote that he definitely said she was not credible....?

 

[Zedzded]

Cellbrite, or whatever it’s called, can get stuff you’ve deleted. They confronted WA with deleted stuff at trial.

Yup. Not sure about Android, but with Iphones, you deleted the messages/photos etc it doesn't delete them, just moves them elsewhere. When you copy your data to a new Iphone it copies all the deleted messages. So if I was to do a data recovery on my latest Iphone it would pick up deleted messages from 4 Iphones ago. Pretty sure she would have to be using secure, encrypted apps like Whatsapp in order to prevent them finding anything incriminating. And I'll bet my house on it she didn't always use Whatsapp.

 

[Zedzded]

CA is in court 12/12 for sentencing and DA is in court the same day for her arraignment. What's the bet they pick up Wendy on the 13th?

 

[Hiller]

CA’s motive for this crime was to please his mother (and his father) and to redeem himself once and for all from being considered their underachieving, un-respected, unruly and not-as-smart-as- the-others middle child. He did not do this crime for his prima donna, little princess sister. In fact, I doubt that he has any particular loyalty to WA and has to resent that she seems to be untouched while the rest of the family suffers. Looking at rotting in prison for as long as he lives, he is likely thinking about how he could give one last gift to his parents by trading few years of freedom for DA (and no action against HA) in exchange for punishment of WA. However, he also may be deluding himself into believing that he has a decent likelihood of success on appeal of his conviction which would negate the possibility of his cooperation unless there was enough in it for him.



As for the prosecution’s appetite for such a deal, the biggest unknown (to us) right now is the quality and breadth of undisclosed evidence that they have against WA. For example, we know nothing about whether they have potential testimony from her lunch friends, the TV repairman, someone at the boys’ school who could have taken a phone call from her to confirm the boys’ location, or others as yet unidentified. They also may have evidence in WA’s electronic communications that there was no reason to disclose in previous trials. I think they have a stronger case against WA than is generally assumed by us watchers. Stronger, yes. Strong enough not to deal, who knows?