GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #19

[Weki]

Per Epstein: They didn’t give Dan a job because, in part, they didn’t want to have to give Wendi a job. He was hired in a trial basis for a semester, and he got her a job as a “spousal hire” at a legal clinic there (like he did at FSU) for a year. They didnt vote to keep him, and one of the reasons (there were others) had to do with them not wanting her. He left after one semester, but they agreed that shw would stay until the end of the year because she wanted to be in So Fla.

What are your thoughts with respect to why UofM would have to give a job to the “trailing spouse“ to court Dan? Isn’t that done for areas that don’t have a lot of job opportunities for the spouse? Like Tally. But surely if Wendi wanted to be in Miami anyway, why does her getting a job at UofM need to be part of the package? Surely there are plenty of other opportunities for her there. JMO

Edited to add: @clearskies1 just saw your comment after I posted mine. Thanks for the reminder (again) that she wasn’t even his spouse at that time so to me it seems like Epstein has this wrong. It just isn’t adding up to me.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

They were not married yet and she had not graduated from U of M law school when he was working at U of M -- so it would be unusual if U of M hired her to work at a legal clinic as a spousal hire when he was working there. Wendi Adelson and Dan Markel (Published 2006)

What are your thoughts with respect to why UofM would have to give a job to the “trailing spouse“ to court Dan? Isn’t that done for areas that don’t have a lot of job opportunities for the spouse? Like Tally. But surely if Wendi wanted to be in Miami anyway, why does her getting a job at UofM need to be part of the package? Surely there are plenty of other opportunities for her there. JMO

Edited to add: @clearskies1 just saw your comment after I posted mine. Thanks for the reminder (again) that she wasn’t even his spouse at that time so to me it seems like Epstein has this wrong. It just isn’t adding up to me.

I believe the chronology goes: DM worked at FSU and Wendi finished her last year of law school in Tallahassee. The next year, DM got an offer from U of M and they both moved to Miami. When he wasn't hired permanently, they went back to FSU.

 

[clearskies1]

I believe the chronology goes: DM worked at FSU and Wendi finished her last year of law school in Tallahassee. The next year, DM got an offer from U of M and they both moved to Miami. When he wasn't hired permanently, they went back to FSU.

Yes, just watched Wendi's testimony. She basically said Aug 2005-May/June 2006 they lived in Tally and Wendi completed her last year of law school. Then they lived in Miami for a year as Dan pursued U of M job. Then moved back to Tally.

 

[amicuscurie]

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They were not married yet and she had not graduated from U of M law school when he was working at U of M -- so it would be unusual if U of M hired her to work at a legal clinic as a spousal hire when he was working there. Wendi Adelson and Dan Markel (Published 2006)

ETA: Sorry, just realized that my post is incorrect. They were married when he was working at U of M. See later posts in this thread.

 

[amicuscurie]

What are your thoughts with respect to why UofM would have to give a job to the “trailing spouse“ to court Dan? Isn’t that done for areas that don’t have a lot of job opportunities for the spouse? Like Tally. But surely if Wendi wanted to be in Miami anyway, why does her getting a job at UofM need to be part of the package? Surely there are plenty of other opportunities for her there. JMO

Edited to add: @clearskies1 just saw your comment after I posted mine. Thanks for the reminder (again) that she wasn’t even his spouse at that time so to me it seems like Epstein has this wrong. It just isn’t adding up to me.

They WERE married at the time. I don’t know why, but according to Epstein, he got her a job as a trailing spouse. It’s true that there would have been other opportunities for her, but perhaps she wanted to work in this particular legal clinic. Jobs at law schools are not easy to get unless you know someone. There aren’t as many of these jobs, even in a big city. It was only a trial for him, anyway, so perhaps she didn’t want to start a job at a firm, only to have to leave Miami if he didn’t get the job. And maybe a firm wasn’t willing to hire her under those conditions. Or maybe Dan just wanted to get her the job, because he could. Who knows? Once she had the job, per Epstein, some people there didn’t want her to stay, and that was one factor which led to them not voting to keep Dan. Perhaps they thought it would be uncomfortable to keep him and not her. And, per Epstein again, there were other factors having to do with Dan himself which led some people not to vote to keep him. Epstein does note that at UM, unlike some other law schools, the “clinical” faculty (who are not full professors and don’t have tenure) are allowed to vote on faculty hires. Per Epstein, some of the clinical faculty who had worked with Wendi thought her legal skills weren’t up to the job (she was just out of law school), and if they voted to keep him, they would have to keep her. So, there were several factors, between some of the regular faculty not voting for Dan, and some of the clinical faculty not wanting Wendi. And so…they had to go back to Tally, although, per Epstein, Dan agreed that Wendi could finish out the year at UM.

 

[Zedzded]

I know the Adelson's are all narcissists/sociopaths etc but I wonder if any of them would reflect on what they'd done, realise how many damage they've caused and actually take some responsibility. I'm struggling to believe all 4 are equally devoid of empathy. It would be great if one of them came forward and just stuck their hand up and took accountability.

 

[jennyjenny]

Per Epstein: They didn’t give Dan a job because, in part, they didn’t want to have to give Wendi a job. He was hired in a trial basis for a semester, and he got her a job as a “spousal hire” at a legal clinic there (like he did at FSU) for a year. They didnt vote to keep him, and one of the reasons (there were others) had to do with them not wanting her. He left after one semester, but they agreed that shw would stay until the end of the year because she wanted to be in So Fla.

Thank you amicuscurie for posting this. It's been awhile since I've read the book but knew this is where I'd learned of school not wanting to hire WA.

 

[Sustained]

I know the Adelson's are all narcissists/sociopaths etc but I wonder if any of them would reflect on what they'd done, realise how many damage they've caused and actually take some responsibility. I'm struggling to believe all 4 are equally devoid of empathy. It would be great if one of them came forward and just stuck their hand up and took accountability.

Unfortunately, lack of empathy is a narcissistic trait.

 

[Honeynut]

Oh so they lived in Miami first? He lost the job then they moved to Tally??? Ohhhhhh…..

It has also been reported, DM didn't get the U of M job because he & Wendi were a pkg deal & it was her they didn't want. Who to believe?

 

[clearskies1]

DBM.

 

[Zedzded]

I don’t know a) how much child support Charlie paid, b) if the grandparents and Adelson family recognized the child etc. but Charlie was arrested 11 months thereafter.

They could kill her and then he wouldn't have to pay child support. Problem solved!

 

[Blue Shakehead]

I know the Adelson's are all narcissists/sociopaths etc but I wonder if any of them would reflect on what they'd done, realise how many damage they've caused and actually take some responsibility. I'm struggling to believe all 4 are equally devoid of empathy. It would be great if one of them came forward and just stuck their hand up and took accountability.I think they blame Dan for making them kill him.

I think the problem with your question is that the very characteristics that make them all sociopaths make it entirely impossible for them to have the capacity for honest self-reflection and taking personal responsibility. They are not just compartmentalizing this stuff. They truly don’t feel any compassion or empathy whatsoever. None. Zip. Certainly never for Dan but also not even for Phil and Ruth, who were once just casualties of war but now are a true enemy - having the audacity to make a public spectacle about their access to Wendi’s boys. Who do they think they are??

The grandparents legislation is just as offensive to them as Dans divorce pleadings. Their treatment of the Markels is really telling. 99.99% of people in their position - facing 1st degree murder charges - would recognize immediately just how insane, evil, cold and guilty it makes them look to the public (and juries) to change the kids names and then deny the grandparents access.

Not these psychos. Their family was under attack. This is a war. They are soldiers and did what they had to do.

 

[minusfour]

I think the problem with your question is that the very characteristics that make them all sociopaths make it entirely impossible for them to have the capacity for honest self-reflection and taking personal responsibility. They are not just compartmentalizing this stuff. They truly don’t feel any compassion or empathy whatsoever. None. Zip. Certainly never for Dan but also not even for Phil and Ruth, who were once just casualties of war but now are a true enemy - having the audacity to make a public spectacle about their access to Wendi’s boys. Who do they think they are??

The grandparents legislation is just as offensive to them as Dans divorce pleadings. Their treatment of the Markels is really telling. 99.99% of people in their position - facing 1st degree murder charges - would recognize immediately just how insane, evil, cold and guilty it makes them look to the public (and juries) to change the kids names and then deny the grandparents access.

Not these psychos. Their family was under attack. This is a war. They are soldiers and did what they had to do.

It makes me really sad how spot on your assessment is.

 

[minusfour]

I’d never saw the resemblance between Donna and Wendi until the second mug shot

 

[Missyrocks5]

This interview is right when he published the book - a year before Charlie's trial (Which is another problem - why rush to publish a book when the story isn't even half over??). He may have changed his tune, but I highly doubt it. That would basically be telling everyone that his book is complete junk (which it appears to be) and not to bother buying it.

Definitely agree. I remember watching an interview with him. He didn't just give an opinion on WA, but he did it in a manner that was so strident as anyone who didn't see it that way just wasn't as knowledgeable as he was. I am fairly certain I remember him, perhaps he was on STS & maybe Joel referred to Fanci, & Epstein basically denigrated her opinion. I remember her responding maybe on her channel i think or somewhere and, needless to say, she let him have it.

He was vociferous in his defense of W. That's why I never bought the book or watched him in any other interview after that. I suppose he can do a 180 if he feels it will sell books.

 

[Knitpicker]

A few reasons:

• It's hard to sit on a story for 9+ years. Someday the complete book(s) will come out but now we have to wait another 1+ years for DA trial, and maybe another year or two after that for a final one. 2026 maybe?
• The book may provide background which is useful and won't change, like it does when Epstein mentions that DM was close to getting a University of Miami position but that WA would not be considered for the same. For those that have read the SE book, I'd be interested if it provided background about the earlier years of DA and HA in upstate New York and offer any early clues or stories about DA/HA nefarious behavior. Even the Coral Springs years would be interesting, like how hard did DA/HA drive WA to become Taravella HS valedictorian?

Upstate NY? She is from Queens and i think he is from Brooklyn. I haven’t heard anything about upstate.

 

[Knitpicker]

Even if WA was not offered a position in UofM that would not have stopped her from moving there if Dan had a job offer. She hates Tally and was offered a job by family friend Gary Cohen at his law firm in Miami. I can’t imagine her saying, ‘oh UofM won’t offer me a job too? Well we’re not moving then.’ Lacasse says the UofM job fell through due to Dan himself.

JMO

That friend was in Boca. There are 2 Gary Cohens in S Fl. One is an older man Harveys age in Boca who offered her a job when she moved back to the family home in Coral Springs. The other is a younger man in Miami. (Thats not the one). She never worked for him.
She lived in the family home that was sold in 8/2015.thats why she was cleaning her bedroom. They didn’t all move to Miami till this home was sold.

 

[Knitpicker]

I still have that link in my history, so may as well post it in case others want to see it.

He also says, towards the end, wtte of : I don't expect Charlie to start to co-operate with the State now, but if he wants to, my door is wide open.

With the self-claimed Deal-Maker Charlie now unable to chew anything over with Mommy, it will give him something to think about as he whiles away his lonely hours through to sentencing and give Wendi something to worry about too.

BTW, I saw that FanciF said that Wendi had been with Harvey after the Donna arrest, according to two sources she has & I see no reason to doubt her info on that. I guess that Harvey will also be the only Adelson who calls Charlie, going forward.

FULL INTERVIEW: State attorney addresses Donna Adelson arrest

www.wctv.tv

Both W, and H and D both have only 2 bedroom apartments (amazing considering they are both close to 2 million value), so where would H be sleeping? Or W and the 2 boys?(if they are all together) Was surprised to find out that w/ all that $ she has, her boys have to share a bedroom.
I‘m sure they have to speak in person especially now.

 

[cottonweaver]

Just listening to an interview with Steven Epstein who authored the Extreme Punishment book on the murder of Dan Markel. Interview is with Asian American Legal Focus (Judy)'s YouTube channel.

He thinks Wendi had absolutely nothing to do with the murder and that Charlie and Donna did this behind Wendi's back. What a dunce.

I have watched it too. Wasn't he saying that he thought, as a lawyer, there was insufficient evidence rather and he was basing his legal opinion on that? Vaguely recall him continually referencing ' objective facts'
iirc from that interview, he did most of his research very early on, prior to Magbanua retrial? he mentioned something about adding a few chapters during a publisher delay. Anyway, i have the recollection - maybe mistaken - that he thought there was huge amount of evidence against Donna

Although posters on WS who bought the book have said on WS recently ( during this trial) that it's worth reading. ( I haven't read it )

Maybe he's also on the payroll ? Maybe he's attracted to her !
(Not serious. I'm more interested in actual conspiracies than conspiracy theories. )

 

[cottonweaver]

Both W, and H and D both have only 2 bedroom apartments (amazing considering they are both close to 2 million value), so where would H be sleeping? Or W and the 2 boys?(if they are all together) Was surprised to find out that w/ all that $ she has, her boys have to share a bedroom.
I‘m sure they have to speak in person especially now.

I didn't know that . ( bolded) And yes it's an interesting point - if the boys do really share a bedroom.

yes, much safer to speak in person than on the phone. Harvey's place isn't going to be bugged and I doubt Wendi's is either ( Currently, not enough PC to get a judge to sign off on that wire)

re your final point, if the two apartments are relatively close to each other, maybe none of them are staying overnight and were just spending the days with each other post arrest? (And IIRC neither of the teenaged boys were mentioned in the original post)

It's a bizarre situation all round. Wendi claiming not to have known about a 9 year old double extortion plot until 4 weeks ago.
Wendi's informal PR representative ( imo) Tova Walsh claiming on this month's 20/20 that Wendi had never suspected her parents of any involvement in DM's murder.
Harvey fleeing with Donna
Wendi now having to CYA over her support of Harvey.