FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #21

[RickshawFan]

I have a feeling the Latin Kings aren't big fans of CA.

Good point, but IME when you've got a toothache, not a whole lot else matters....

 

[RickshawFan]

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I can't find the other pages of it but this was from a TPD document release years ago.

Also, I have no idea if there were follow-up interviews which elicited extra info so it's a FWIW post but might be of use to @rebelchild

How did the TV get cracked? She prolly did it to create an alibi.

 

[amicuscurie]

How did the TV get cracked? She prolly did it to create an alibi.

She testified at trial that one of the children threw a toy at it. Her ex boyfriend, Jeff LaCasse, testified at Charlie’s trial that he saw the damaged TV and did not believe that the children were strong enough to cause the damage to the screen that he saw.

 

[Weki]

Great link choice Weki.

Also good to get a reminder of how cocky & relaxed he was now we've heard him describe how elated he was all weekend to the extent he gave away food and clothing ( By the Monday he was convicted)

Plus on that bolded point, Julie Grant also speculated today whether Dan Hashbrown, who was in Tallahassee, got word that the state's attorney was actively prepping charges for her while he was up there. Julie was saying that obviously this is a big no-no, IF true

BBM — good catch!

By this point, Rashbaum had told him his testimony was 95% good and that they were killing it! So Charlie’s up there on cross thinking he’s doing extra credit telling the country bumpkin Georgia what’s what and putting her in her place!

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[cottonweaver]

dbm - will try & post it properly later

 

[rebelchild]

It was clear from questions asked by the State in CA's trial that the State has verified that the tv repairman did go to WA's house that morning.

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I can't find the other pages of it but this was from a TPD document release years ago. ( it doesn't have details of WA making hit-man joke to him but it's only 1 page long & first interview)

Also, I have no idea if there were follow-up interviews which elicited extra info so it's a FWIW post but might be of use to @rebelchild

Thank you both so much!

 

[IQuestion]

In regards to CA & DA telephone rants on the merits, breeding and income of the jurors in Tallahassee...shame on you!! You made your scummy money on performing dental work on people from all walks of life, level of education, religious affiliations, and level of physical fitness/appearance, etc. Did you ever turn their cash away because they weren't in your "ill presumed social status ?" (5 star...my aspirin.)
Dear CA & DA...this is why you are in jail:
"The state presented a strong case against Charlie Adelson. The law enforcement investigation by the FBI and Tallahassee Police Department following the execution of Professor Markel was highly sophisticated, carefully orchestrated and conducted in secrecy to protect its integrity.
The FBI utilized wire taps, bus videos, business cameras, phone records, cell tower dumps, text messages, video surveillance, witness interviews, crime scene collection, emails, court filings and three FBI "bumps" used to tickle the wires.

Why the jury convicted Charlie Adelson and what's next? Legal analysis by Tim Jansen​

 

[amicuscurie]

BBM — good catch!

By this point, Rashbaum had told him his testimony was 95% good and that they were killing it! So Charlie’s up there on cross thinking he’s doing extra credit telling the country bumpkin Georgia what’s what and putting her in her place!

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On Donna’s hot mic call, she talks about having spoken with Dan about “what they are thinking up there,” and then talks about her plans to flee, and Dan having told her they might not make it out in time, and they might be apprehended at the airport. In my opinion it is reasonable to interpret this to mean that Dan talked to her about the state thinking about charging her. She seems to be saying that what Dan told her about “what they are thinking” made her decide to try to get on a plane. JMO.

 

[Misy]

Edited!

No, according to the conversation we all had on WS. Wendi ' supervised' it.
They all went to what was described as an ' eatery' and it was only an hour long and we all were discussing those aspects. ( No idea who was the source of all these details. Somebody on WS?)

Then, another time, Donna mentions this visit in a jail call, although with fewer details. She said to Charlie that she'd asked the boys separately how it went. Then Donna nastily claims the Markels obviously took photos of themselves with the boys for PR purposes. ( I remember this better because I posted the call link etc)

Thank you! Yes I remember Donna’s theory of the Markel’s intentions for the meeting (photo op I think she said), and that Wendi was at the lunch. Thanks for editing your message cottonweaver! I thought did Donna really go too? And what an absolute nightmare that would have been for Ruth & Phil. Can’t even imagine. I’m sure it was hard and awkward enough with WA there.

 

[Misy]

She testified at trial that one of the children threw a toy at it. Her ex boyfriend, Jeff LaCasse, testified at Charlie’s trial that he saw the damaged TV and did not believe that the children were strong enough to cause the damage to the screen that he saw.

Yes I remember JL saying that too… that he didn’t think a child could cause such a break. And didn’t he say that WA made the boys watch that tv instead of another one she had, and the boys were none too pleased about that. And then when WA testified in Charlie’s trial she said there was “a little crack” caused by the boys. I agree… she probably bashed the tv screen herself (or DA/HA) for the repair alibi. JMO

 

[amicuscurie]

Yes I remember JL saying that too… that he didn’t think a child could cause such a break. And didn’t he say that WA made the boys watch that tv instead of another one she had, and the boys were none too pleased about that. And then when WA testified in Charlie’s trial she said there was “a little crack” caused by the boys. I agree… she probably bashed the tv screen herself (or DA/HA) for the repair alibi. JMO

I still wonder why hypothetically she would have needed an alibi if she wasn’t the shooter. Is it possible that none of the alleged conspirators had thought of that? Could it be that someone thought that she would need an alibi? Could it be that the TV repair was meant to serve another purpose besides an alibi? As an alibi, in my opinion, it’s not very good. In general, in my experience, when you schedule a repair appointment, they give you a window of time, but you have no idea when in the window they might arrive. In this case, according to the police report above, the TV repair person was gone by 9:15.

 

[Misy]

I still wonder why hypothetically she would have needed an alibi if she wasn’t the shooter. Is it possible that none of the alleged conspirators had thought of that? Could it be that someone thought that she would need an alibi? Could it be that the TV repair was meant to serve another purpose besides an alibi? As an alibi, in my opinion, it’s not very good. In general, in my experience, when you schedule a repair appointment, they give you a window of time, but you have no idea when in the window they might arrive. In this case, according to the police report above, the TV repair person was gone by 9:15.

That’s true. I guess they could have easily given her a window of 1pm-5pm instead. Maybe why the phone call to CA about should I get it fixed or buy a new tv? (kind of a lame excuse). Another funny thing about that. The repair guy was probably waiting for her to decide (fix or no fix). Then GC reminded WA the call was 18 min, and WA said that sounds right.. she said she probably also asked him about his work and “catching up”. When the repair guy was there… really? Anyway she could have been telling CA the repair guy was leaving then. Why use this as an alibi instead of a hair appt or some other appt that someone here had wondered. I don’t know but she needed one since being the ex wife she would be one of the first people the police would want to talk to.

 

[LinasK]

The other prisoners might not care.... Even if they can get someone to evaluate a tooth problem, they'd be ahead. Plus, he can be removing infected teeth, cleaning, all kinds of stuff where the other inmates will like his services. I can see him having a very successful gig in general pop.

Yeah, no. They're not going to allow him around dental equipment that could be used as weapons in prison.

 

[LinasK]

How did the TV get cracked? She prolly did it to create an alibi.

That's my theory.

 

[clearskies1]

I still wonder why hypothetically she would have needed an alibi if she wasn’t the shooter. Is it possible that none of the alleged conspirators had thought of that? Could it be that someone thought that she would need an alibi? Could it be that the TV repair was meant to serve another purpose besides an alibi? As an alibi, in my opinion, it’s not very good. In general, in my experience, when you schedule a repair appointment, they give you a window of time, but you have no idea when in the window they might arrive. In this case, according to the police report above, the TV repair person was gone by 9:15.

Hypothetically: You want an alibi because as the ex-wife you are generally suspect no 1. You could be falsely accused of being the shooter. After all, we know that people are falsely convicted of shooting people... it happens! Possibly you want the ability to do things -- call people, etc. -- privately in your home and this is the reason why you don't have a better "leave the house" (haircut) alibi where you're stuck in public for a while. Total speculation and JMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

Plus I think she was attempting to 'block out' the whole day.
Firstly she doesn't know exactly when the assassins will get the job done. AM/PM/Eve? They're unreliable

Secondly, maybe if anybody suspected you'd shot your husband you'd be able to say wtte of ' Did you look at my schedule on the18th? Why would I plan to kill my husband on the same day I planned all these other tasks & errands?'

9 -12 window for repair man, chores & work emails & time stamped drafts, discussion w Dan 10.30
1 ish - 2/3pm? Travel to & keep lunch date. Witnesses will confirm I was totally unflustered, even ate a 'whole delicious lunch'
3pm ish - shopping errands ( receipts) - Stock the Bar, gas, superglue ( she told Isom it was on her list, broken toy)
3.30pm pick up boys ( stymied by Dan who wanted to take them swimming)

(The party later - have forgotten the time of that but doesn't really matter, has the boys 4.30 ish+. Plans to speak to Dan at drop off )

As @IQuestion suggested previously, the unanswered call to Dan is enough of a sign for her that the job has been done. Then she just has to go check it out, ' can't help herself' and switches around the shopping errands.

As Stephen Webster testified Dan was desperate to resolve the issue over the school before Monday and before he left for NY.
She'd been ghosting him & did everything possible to avoid speaking to him, preferring emails or texts, if she called him, she knew he'd pick up or call her right back.

Unless he wasn't able

question - when she was on her crime scene drive by & on the phone at the same time, wasn't it an offense there in 2014? ( I don't think she was on handsfree or Georgia wouldn't have asked Brannon)

 

[amicuscurie]

Hypothetically: You want an alibi because as the ex-wife you are generally suspect no 1. You could be falsely accused of being the shooter. After all, we know that people are falsely convicted of shooting people... it happens! Possibly you want the ability to do things -- call people, etc. -- privately in your home and this is the reason why you don't have a better "leave the house" (haircut) alibi where you're stuck in public for a while. Total speculation and JMO.

That’s true. Even if you’re not the shooter, if, hypothetically, you are counting on nobody being able to identify who the shooter IS, then, yes, I guess you would need one. After all, you can’t count on them checking you for gunshot residue (hypothetically). In this case a neighbor saw a green Prius, which would presumably narrow down the suspects and rule out anyone who didn’t drive that kind of car. But the alleged conspirators might not have expected that.

 

[amicuscurie]

Plus I think she was attempting to 'block out' the whole day.
Firstly she doesn't know exactly when the assassins will get the job done. AM/PM/Eve? They're unreliable

Secondly, maybe if anybody suspected you'd shot your husband you'd be able to say wtte of ' Did you look at my schedule on the18th? Why would I plan to kill my husband on the same day I planned all these other tasks & errands?'

9 -12 window for repair man, chores & work emails & time stamped drafts, discussion w Dan 10.30
1 ish - 2/3pm? Travel to & keep lunch date. Witnesses will confirm I was totally unflustered, even ate a 'whole delicious lunch'
3pm ish - shopping errands - Stock the Bar, superglue ( she told Isom it was on her list, broken toy)
3.30pm pick up boys ( stymied by Dan who wanted to take them swimming)

(The party later - have forgotten the time of that but doesn't really matter, has the boys 4.30 + )

As @IQuestion suggested previously, the unanswered call to Dan is enough of a sign for her that the job has been done. Then she just has to go check it out, ' can't help herself' and switches around the shopping errands.

As Stephen Webster testified Dan was desperate to resolve the issue over the school before Monday and before he left for NY.
She'd been ghosting him & did everything possible to avoid speaking to him, preferring emails or texts, if she called him, she knew he'd pick up or call her right back.

Unless he wasn't able

They showed a call log for Wendi for that morning. As I recall, there are calls to her lunch companions and a call to Dan. Does anyone remember whether the call to Dan happened BEFORE or AFTER the calls to the lunch companions? Wendi appears to me to balk when the detective suggests the lunch was “last minute.” It would be interesting, to me, if the lunch plans were made after the call to Dan, but of course I don’t know they were, I’m just speculating.

 

[cottonweaver]

They showed a call log for Wendi for that morning. As I recall, there are calls to her lunch companions and a call to Dan. Does anyone remember whether the call to Dan happened BEFORE or AFTER the calls to the lunch companions? Wendi appears to me to balk when the detective suggests the lunch was “last minute.” It would be interesting, to me, if the lunch plans were made after the call to Dan, but of course I don’t know they were, I’m just speculating.

I've got one screenshot from the trial but it's limited. Somebody else will have the morning block.

For anybody else - Ritu & Jeanine are the lunch companions & Wendi is running late

 

[amicuscurie]

I've got one screenshot from the trial but it's limited. Somebody else will have the morning block.

For anybody else - Ritu & Jeanine are the lunch companions & Wendi is running late View attachment 469501

Yes the morning block would be helpful because it would show the call to Dan that he didn’t pick up, and any calls made before/after that