FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #21

[clearskies1]

This is going to be interesting about Rashbaum as a potential witness re Vietnam. Makes sense to have Morris as co-counsel in case Rashbaum gets booted off. JMO.

 

[legalmomma]

https://x.com/courttv/status/1744917047224520999?s=61&t=gYNN_4-zcTuGElSIO1BDIQ

Inside Wendi Adelson and Dan Markel's Contentious Divorce

Ruth Markel talks to Court TV as we go through the divorce documents revealing the bitter conflict between Wendi Adelson and Dan Markel.

www.courttv.com

 

[Misy]

discussion re potential problems for Cashbaum over the hot mic call

at 10 mins onwards, Tim J starts to laugh at the potential spin offs!

previous post about STS should say Steven Webster not Epstein!

Cashbaum LOL

 

[Zedzded]

discussion re potential problems for Cashbaum over the hot mic call

at 10 mins onwards, Tim J starts to laugh at the potential spin offs!

previous post about STS should say Steven Webster not Epstein!

Jesus what a mess. So DA, HA and DR are all going to have to explain the one way trip to Vietnam and hope all their stories are in alignment.

 

[cottonweaver]

This is going to be interesting about Rashbaum as a potential witness re Vietnam. Makes sense to have Morris as co-counsel in case Rashbaum gets booted off. JMO.

and apparently - Webster on STS last night- Alex Morris is also more likely to preserve items for any future Appeals team because he has experience as an Appellate lawyer too

( Webster and Baptiste spitballed various potential conflict issues which could arise from Rashbaum representing DA. They threw out a lot of risky scenarios. Naturally, I can't weigh each of them in terms of likelihood.)

 

[cottonweaver]

Jesus what a mess. So DA, HA and DR are all going to have to explain the one way trip to Vietnam and hope all their stories are in alignment.

and 'Susan' imo
She's also on that hot mic and, according to TrueLifestyles - she's also appearing in the December call logs as a friend of Donna's.
True Lifestyles says she's elderly.

We know that Donna hadn't been charged by the time she was on the flightway but even if Rashbaum isn't called and doesn't get into hot water professionally, there's quite a few people who appear to know of their plan to flee. ( 'No Extradition' is mentioned in front of Susan, Harvey and Georgia can ask the jury to infer that Wendi was told too.
OTOH plans to leave for a long time might pull in Michael M and various others like that Annie C.)

There may be no Matsuri nor Dulce Vita for Donna but instead these jail calls could provide a rich seam for Georgia.

Also, IDK if Georgia will bother with CA & DA's new quasi-codes but if she wanted to she could have fun with that too. ( Deleted..... Not specifying them because who knows who reads here..?)

 

[Knitpicker]

So, if Donna had nothing to do with it….who did? Her son? The guy who has been convicted for it? Curious as to where they’re going to go with this. Is he saying the evidence demonstrates that she was NOT involved? He seems to be saying that the efforts to convict her are NOT supported by the evidence, but the same evidence he seems to be talking about seems to have been enough for a jury to convict her son, apparently.

That word “awful” really bothers me.
not an appropriate word.
Does Rashbaum believe Charlie is getting out on appeal?
How about TWICE “This is about both of us”?

 

[Knitpicker]

We all already know that DA will say she is completely innocent, but saw what they did to her son, so she was panicking to flee before she was wrongfully arrested. That’s going to be her story. Also, notice Morris’ language- she wasn’t part of a criminal conspiracy and certainly not one where the OBJECT was to kill Dan M. To me, that means they may go with the we just wanted to give him a tuneup, we didn’t want him murdered. To scare him. Maybe they may try that. However, I still think that doesn‘t help if he dies as a result.

But on STS last night, the panel & Tim J were going through her possible Defenses, and he said the evidence is just so overwhelming. How are they going to overcome that? The good news is that unless they pull what the lawyers did in Kohberger and it is some sort of a strategy, we may be watching her trial just in the next few months. Supposedly, they don’t want to wait at all because she wants to try to get out Asap.

One stupid juror

 

[Knitpicker]

What are anyones thoughts about trying Wendi and Donna together?
Versus Donna alone.
Would the state need to get Donna first for better chances against Wendi?
Is that their goal?
Just curious what ya think.

 

[cottonweaver]

But on STS last night, the panel & Tim J were going through her possible Defenses, and he said the evidence is just so overwhelming. How are they going to overcome that? The good news is that unless they pull what the lawyers did in Kohberger and it is some sort of a strategy, we may be watching her trial just in the next few months. Supposedly, they don’t want to wait at all because she wants to try to get out Asap.

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Must admit that I can't completely let go the notion that it's a game even though otoh I know she must really want to get out of that cell. Probably just confirmation bias on my part.

 

[clearskies1]

What are anyones thoughts about trying Wendi and Donna together?
Versus Donna alone.
Would the state need to get Donna first for better chances against Wendi?
Is that their goal?
Just curious what ya think.

By trying Donna alone, they can call Wendi as a witness. If they tried them together, Wendi could refuse to take the stand/take the 5th. I think Wendi has been an important witness in the last 3 trials -- she brings in the divorce/family interactions/events of July 18 in an important real life way. So I think the State is better off trying Donna alone and calling Wendi as a witness. JMO.

 

[iamshadow21]

That word “awful” really bothers me.
not an appropriate word.
Does Rashbaum believe Charlie is getting out on appeal?
How about TWICE “This is about both of us”?

It's a word that was carefully calculated to encompass the death of a person, but imply no responsibility or culpability for it whatsoever.

A serious diagnosis is awful.

A breakup where you've both just grown apart is awful.

A bolt of lightning striking your home and burning it down is awful.

This was a planned, calculated murder-for-hire to deprive a man not just of his children, but his future. It wasn't sad and inevitable, it was a mission everyone convicted of this crime carried out for selfish, greedy, and unconscionable reasons.

Yes, it's awful, but a word like diabolical or despicable or sadistic or cruel, or all of them together, seems more fitting.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

What are anyones thoughts about trying Wendi and Donna together?
Versus Donna alone.
Would the state need to get Donna first for better chances against Wendi?
Is that their goal?
Just curious what ya think.

Heard one interesting counterpoint from Patty Wilson ( P. Playhouse) which I've not heard from anyone else before now. (None of the pundit lawyers who'd argued for years that all the A's should be indicted simultaneously.)

She said that IHO, a TLH jury would never agree to send down both a mother and daughter together. She's very local. ( I don't think she was just basing that on Sig & Katie Trial 1)

 

[Missyrocks5]

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Must admit that I can't completely let go the notion that it's a game even though otoh I know she must really want to get out of that cell. Probably just confirmation bias on my part.

Agree. Like in the Kohberger case. They said they wanted to rush but then of course they didn’t really. I would think you would want your lawyers to have as much time as possible to prepare the case in the best presentation possible. Unless they have plans to get to the jury. I don’t understand the endgame in terms of rushing to get convicted if the defense is not what it should be. The whole thing doesn’t make sense, nor does sticking with the same lawyer with the failed extortion defense.

I will say that one of the attorneys on STS last night, Baptiste, made a very smart Point (he always Makes good points). He said between the two, certainly Donna has a better chance of arguing the extortion than Charlie ever did. As he said, she can just say she believed her son and it’s an easier defense for her to make. Maybe that is what they are thinking also. I still don’t see how that flies, but his point is well taken.

 

[amicuscurie]

Heard one interesting counterpoint from Patty Wilson ( P. Playhouse) which I've not heard from anyone else before now. (None of the pundit lawyers who'd argued for years that all the A's should be indicted simultaneously.)

She said that IHO, a TLH jury would never agree to send down both a mother and daughter together. She's very local. ( I don't think she was just basing that on Sig & Katie Trial 1)

Really? Do they get that they are supposed to consider only the law, and whether the state has proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?

 

[yazoost]

Heard one interesting counterpoint from Patty Wilson ( P. Playhouse) which I've not heard from anyone else before now. (None of the pundit lawyers who'd argued for years that all the A's should be indicted simultaneously.)

She said that IHO, a TLH jury would never agree to send down both a mother and daughter together. She's very local. ( I don't think she was just basing that on Sig & Katie Trial 1)

This is ridiculous. Both the Adelsons and the case followers think Tallahassee is some sort of 19th century country town. With the universities and government, we have a very educated population and one that continues to vote Democrat while the rest of the panhandle regresses to Antebellum times.

Remember it's Isom, Cappleman, Newlin, Everett, etc., who live in Tallahassee. Rashbaum, the Adelsons, DeCoste, etc., live in Miami. Which group is more sophisticated and intelligent?

 

[amicuscurie]

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Must admit that I can't completely let go the notion that it's a game even though otoh I know she must really want to get out of that cell. Probably just confirmation bias on my part.

I am not of the opinion that this is going to trial so fast, certainly not by April. I don’t know if it’s the case here, but in general a lot of the time defense lawyers request a speedy trial as a tactic to seem confident in their case and to hold the state’s feet to the fire. It is a constitutional right, so why not? Especially since experienced lawyers know there are always the inevitable delays, were someone maybe lists a new witness the other side wants time to depose, someone has a conflict, etc. A good defense attorney can always make it look like these delays are from circumstances beyond their control, IMO. So there‘s really no harm, IMO, in requesting a speedy trial and looking like you are ready to go, because its very unlikely to be as speedy as you ask.

 

[Knitpicker]

Heard one interesting counterpoint from Patty Wilson ( P. Playhouse) which I've not heard from anyone else before now. (None of the pundit lawyers who'd argued for years that all the A's should be indicted simultaneously.)

She said that IHO, a TLH jury would never agree to send down both a mother and daughter together. She's very local. ( I don't think she was just basing that on Sig & Katie Trial 1)

Thats interesting. I heard her over the weekend. I just cant do 3 hour lives Lol. Yes, that does make sense, I have heard lawyers say the case is better tried with both, but the emotional factor as you say…thx for the input. Patty is a bit lacking on some of the facts like Roberta Glass but those knowing the finer details seem to be helping them both! I do like her spunk and she is def fearless!

 

[Knitpicker]

Heard one interesting counterpoint from Patty Wilson ( P. Playhouse) which I've not heard from anyone else before now. (None of the pundit lawyers who'd argued for years that all the A's should be indicted simultaneously.)

She said that IHO, a TLH jury would never agree to send down both a mother and daughter together. She's very local. ( I don't think she was just basing that on Sig & Katie Trial 1)

Patty has only been in Tallahassee 10 years right? I remember her saying that.
She doesn’t appear to be a typical southern type, conservative, bible belt kinda gal.
I'm not saying this as a judgement against her, I just don’t think she represents the true (ok thats really not what I mean…but ..Tallahassian (is that a correct title? Lol)

 

[jbc]

In OJ, it was widely believed that hiring Robert Kardashian as a part of the "dream team" inoculated him from having to testify against OJ, since it was speculated that he disposed the bloody clothes into the trash at the airport. He wasn't nearly as "dreamy" as the others (Dershowitz, yack), so it was always uncertain what else he actually contributed to the defense.

Might Cashbaum be on the DA defense team for a similar reason?