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I believe WA's immunity can only protect her from statements she makes that are truthful. If she lies, then those statements can be used against her in a later trial.

But as I said earlier, Trescott and her lies are can only be used to bolster strong evidence that inculpates WA and that doesn't exist. It can be used, along with all her other inconsistent statements, to destroy her credibility, but then all the State have is a person who is a pathological liar, not someone who conspired to commit first degree murder...
A pathological liar doesn’t tell the truth because they have lived their entire life lying and getting away with it.
It is a personality defect and they will never change.
When others lie and get anxious about it, they don’t.
They are lacking a conscience when it comes to deception.
It usually goes along with NPD.
 
  • #462
I believe WA's immunity can only protect her from statements she makes that are truthful. If she lies, then those statements can be used against her in a later trial.

But as I said earlier, Trescott and her lies are can only be used to bolster strong evidence that inculpates WA and that doesn't exist. It can be used, along with all her other inconsistent statements, to destroy her credibility, but then all the State have is a person who is a pathological liar, not someone who conspired to commit first degree murder...

Correct, use and derivative use immunity only protects you if you provide truthful testimony. IMO, the reason it will not be an issue for Wendi is it’s near impossible to prove she lied about the things she is accuse of lying about in social media. People get so hung up on things that are opinion based testimony and half-truths and this case is laced with many ‘Wendi half-truths’ based on her personal feelings. Example, she said she was relieved that the relocation motion was denied. Most believe, including myself, she was not relieved but it’s impossible to prove. Even if someone testifies that she was really upset about it, she can say I was both upset and relieved. Same goes for not hating Tallahassee. She very well might have hated Tallahassee and even if someone testified that she hated it (I think Jeff did) love and hate are not mutually exclusive. She can say I both loved it here and at times hated feeling trapped in this God forsaken little town that is just a stop in civilization and both can be true. The Trescott visit is probably the biggest example people cite as a lie, but nothing she said in any of trials re the Trescott ‘visit’ can be classified as a lie. EVEN if she was purposely being deceitful and calculated in the way she testified about famous turn not turn etc. She may have been purposely misleading or it was a case of simple miscommunication or perhaps a memory issue, we don’t know for certain but the error in the way most analyze her inconsistent testimony is it does not fall into any legal definition of a lie. As I had mentioned a couple times previously, if she had denied being in the area that would be a big problem for her and that would be a blatant lie. I can go on with more things that are likely lies like not discussing the case with her family, not knowing they were involved etc. Without an Adelson flipping those are lies that are impossible to prove unless they unearth some digital forensic data that proves she lied about that and that seems unlikely since more than 10 years has lapsed since the murder. There is really nothing I can identify from any of her past testimony that will be an issue for her UNLESS someone flips or they find some digital proof she lied about material things to the case.
 
  • #463
Correct, use and derivative use immunity only protects you if you provide truthful testimony. IMO, the reason it will not be an issue for Wendi is it’s near impossible to prove she lied about the things she is accuse of lying about in social media. People get so hung up on things that are opinion based testimony and half-truths and this case is laced with many ‘Wendi half-truths’ based on her personal feelings. Example, she said she was relieved that the relocation motion was denied. Most believe, including myself, she was not relieved but it’s impossible to prove. Even if someone testifies that she was really upset about it, she can say I was both upset and relieved. Same goes for not hating Tallahassee. She very well might have hated Tallahassee and even if someone testified that she hated it (I think Jeff did) love and hate are not mutually exclusive. She can say I both loved it here and at times hated feeling trapped in this God forsaken little town that is just a stop in civilization and both can be true. The Trescott visit is probably the biggest example people cite as a lie, but nothing she said in any of trials re the Trescott ‘visit’ can be classified as a lie. EVEN if she was purposely being deceitful and calculated in the way she testified about famous turn not turn etc. She may have been purposely misleading or it was a case of simple miscommunication or perhaps a memory issue, we don’t know for certain but the error in the way most analyze her inconsistent testimony is it does not fall into any legal definition of a lie. As I had mentioned a couple times previously, if she had denied being in the area that would be a big problem for her and that would be a blatant lie. I can go on with more things that are likely lies like not discussing the case with her family, not knowing they were involved etc. Without an Adelson flipping those are lies that are impossible to prove unless they unearth some digital forensic data that proves she lied about that and that seems unlikely since more than 10 years has lapsed since the murder. There is really nothing I can identify from any of her past testimony that will be an issue for her UNLESS someone flips or they find some digital proof she lied about material things to the case.
You are entirely right. She is a very clever person, unlike her mother and brother. She knew and knows that. To think she devised all this, (or was a part- starting with all her constant complaining of her marriage etc) only to protect herself and implicate them—well thats really beyond anything any of us mortals can imagine.

The fact that she strung JL along-she can read people and thats a talent. She has probably used people to her advantage her entire life.
Think about that science teacher that she kept in touch with up until the murder-who moved her remaining stuff down to Miami. She has used her body and mind. Most women can’t imagine sleeping with someone and telling their kids to call this man “daddy”, when they have a father and she had no intentions of continuing the relationship after the murder. Bedding a man just to use him! The fact she called him in August twice was just for the purpose I am sure of not having it appear as though she ghosted him. And to get info from him. She even used that Jane person. The enhanced interview on ML- imagine a highly educated person doting on WA as if she needs to be mothered and protected. That is her gift and talent. Damsel in distress. Anything but!

I think most people aren’t giving her enough credit. I always said she reminded me of the Maddy character in “Body heat” or the Theresa Russel character in “Black Widow”. Ruthless, sexual, a man-eater.
So at this point if I am getting you right (and maybe it took me almost 3 years), you are not calling her innocent in the crime, but you are saying she will weasel her way out of this as she has always done, leaving a trail of muck behind her? Even the imprisonment of her mother who raised her kids and her brother who always protected her.
Maybe I understood your position wrong.

Regardless, I do hope theres more on her. She has been winning the game.

If you havent read Epsteins book (it took me a month on audio), I think you will appreciate all the tidbits of information never heard before. I never wanted to read it based on when he was on AAlegal, but I decided to listen on audio since I had Amazon credit.

If you do listen to it (it’s REALLY long-about 35 hours), I’d love for you to come back and we can discuss all the details I am sure even you didn’t know. He has a LOT of info-even an update at the end. I only wish I took notes but as I listened as I was doing other things.

The thing that stands out for me was that FSU gave DM a year off. 2011. That was surprising. He traveled a LOT during that time. I could see how difficult that could have been for WA being alone raising the kids and the pressure on her parents to help her and basically sacrifice his dental practice. And the legal dealings they both had. Also background on the defense lawyers for KM and SG. Interesting backgrounds. Just a lot of extra details in the book. I did feel some sympathy for WA - NO REASON FOR MURDER THOUGH! OK now I’m writing a book…
 
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You are entirely right. She is a very clever person, unlike her mother and brother. She knew and knows that. To think she devised all this, (or was a part- starting with all her constant complaining of her marriage etc) only to protect herself and implicate them—well thats really beyond anything any of us mortals can imagine.

The fact that she strung JL along-she can read people and thats a talent. She has probably used people to her advantage her entire life.
Think about that science teacher that she kept in touch with up until the murder-who moved her remaining stuff down to Miami. She has used her body and mind. Most women can’t imagine sleeping with someone and telling their kids to call this man “daddy”, when they have a father and she had no intentions of continuing the relationship after the murder. Bedding a man just to use him! The fact she called him in August twice was just for the purpose I am sure of not having it appear as though she ghosted him. And to get info from him. She even used that Jane person. The enhanced interview on ML- imagine a highly educated person doting on WA as if she needs to be mothered and protected. That is her gift and talent. Damsel in distress. Anything but!

I think most people aren’t giving her enough credit. I always said she reminded me of the Maddy character in “Body heat” or the Theresa Russel character in “Black Widow”. Ruthless, sexual, a man-eater.
So at this point if I am getting you right (and maybe it took me almost 3 years), you are not calling her innocent in the crime, but you are saying she will weasel her way out of this as she has always done, leaving a trail of muck behind her? Even the imprisonment of her mother who raised her kids and her brother who always protected her.
Maybe I understood your position wrong.

Regardless, I do hope theres more on her. She has been winning the game.

If you havent read Epsteins book (it took me a month on audio), I think you will appreciate all the tidbits of information never heard before. I never wanted to read it based on when he was on AAlegal, but I decided to listen on audio since I had Amazon credit.

If you do listen to it (it’s REALLY long-about 35 hours), I’d love for you to come back and we can discuss all the details I am sure even you didn’t know. He has a LOT of info-even an update at the end. I only wish I took notes but as I listened as I was doing other things.

The thing that stands out for me was that FSU gave DM a year off. 2011. That was surprising. He traveled a LOT during that time. I could see how difficult that could have been for WA being alone raising the kids and the pressure on her parents to help her and basically sacrifice his dental practice. And the legal dealings they both had. Also background on the defense lawyers for KM and SG. Interesting backgrounds. Just a lot of extra details in the book. I did feel some sympathy for WA - NO REASON FOR MURDER THOUGH! OK now I’m writing a book…

Yes, you have always (you aren’t the only one) misrepresented / misunderstood my position on Wendi :). LOL, I have probably said this to you several times, but I will restate it since you have always been kind. I never said I was convinced she is innocent. I have always been open to the possibility she was directly involved in some capacity but do think it’s possible that Donna & Charlie planned this behind her back. Most completely reject the possibility they plotted without her knowledge. I have always said at a minimum that she had ‘knowledge’ it was happening and it’s possible she was either told directly or figured it out because Charlie gave her subtle hints. I can certainly see Donna not wanting Wendi to ever know (if it was done behind her back) and I have always said it surprises that people think its not possible for Donna and Charlie to move forward without Wendi’s approval. Regardless, in any scenario, not a bone in my body thinks she was truthful about what she knew when she testified. I am convinced she lied to protect her family and perhaps herself.

Regarding Epstein. I didn’t read the book, but I am a big fan, perhaps one day I will read it. I defended him on multiple occasions when the angry mob took issue with his personal and very measured opinions that were based on his personal research. I was on that very live you mentioned and was active in the comments defending him. Other than him taking the position in that live that Wendi wasn’t involved (I can’t say I agree that is a certainty) most of his analysis and facts where rock solid. Did you ever wonder why he never went back on Judy’s channel after reading the comments? Epstein is too much of a professional to stoop down to the level of the mob that treated him with such disrespect and quite honestly many acted immature and it was actually embarrassing the way he was treated in the comments – I believe I commented as such to Judy directly. Judy's audience didn't deserve a second interview - that's not a knock on Judy.
 
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Yes, you have always (you aren’t the only one) misrepresented / misunderstood my position on Wendi :). LOL, I have probably said this to you several times, but I will restate it since you have always been kind. I never said I was convinced she is innocent. I have always been open to the possibility she was directly involved in some capacity but do think it’s possible that Donna & Charlie planned this behind her back. Most completely reject the possibility they plotted without her knowledge. I have always said at a minimum that she had ‘knowledge’ it was happening and it’s possible she was either told directly or figured it out because Charlie gave her subtle hints. I can certainly see Donna not wanting Wendi to ever know (if it was done behind her back) and I have always said it surprises that people think its not possible for Donna and Charlie to move forward without Wendi’s approval. Regardless, in any scenario, not a bone in my body thinks she was truthful about what she knew when she testified. I am convinced she lied to protect her family and perhaps herself.

Regarding Epstein. I didn’t read the book, but I am a big fan, perhaps one day I will read it. I defended him on multiple occasions when the angry mob took issue with his personal and very measured opinions that were based on his personal research. I was on that very live you mentioned and was active in the comments defending him. Other than him taking the position in that live that Wendi wasn’t involved (I can’t say I agree that is a certainty) most of his analysis and facts where rock solid. Did you ever wonder why he never went back on Judy’s channel after reading the comments? Epstein is too much of a professional to stoop down to the level of the mob that treated him with such disrespect and quite honestly many acted immature and it was actually embarrassing the way he was treated in the comments – I believe I commented as such to Judy directly. Judy's audience didn't deserve a second interview - that's not a knock on Judy.
Well after the book, I am surprised he was seen as a Wendi defender because that is not how the book reads.
He gave what I consider an accurate account based on what? I think 200-300 interviews. (I forget the exact amount).
How did he get to those people? Did they decide after speaking with him to stop talking? I don’t know. Even TJ seems was on WA’s side at the very beginning.
I do think she knew about it. Thats where we differ. Do you think DA and CA would have ever killed the father of their grandchild/nephew without their mother’s approval?
Or do you think they never thought it would come out who killed him?
Still to raise the boys knowing what she did. Who is worse? Like mother/like daughter.
But innocent until proven guilty.
yes the mob mentality. I have been blocked on channels and also mocked.
But for different reasons. Which I wont mention here.
 
  • #466
IMO, the reason it will not be an issue for Wendi is it’s near impossible to prove she lied about the things she is accuse of lying about in social media. People get so hung up on things that are opinion based testimony and half-truths and this case is laced with many ‘Wendi half-truths’ based on her personal feelings.
And ultimately she can just claim she was confused, misremembered, it was 15 years ago.
As I had mentioned a couple times previously, if she had denied being in the area that would be a big problem for her and . Without an Adelson flipping those are lies that are impossible to prove unless they unearth some digital forensic data that proves she lied about that and that seems unlikely since more than 10 years has lapsed since the murder. There is really nothing I can identify from any of her past testimony that will be an issue for her UNLESS someone flips or they find some digital proof she lied about material things to the case.
I'm hoping they can retrieve WA's Whatsapp data. If it shows KM's contact details and/or she contacted KM on the day of the murder that would be incriminating.

I more or less agree that we need someone to flip for WA to be arrested. DA won't, CA might. There may be other evidence the State have, but then I keep coming back to the fact she still has not been arrested.
 
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I think most people aren’t giving her enough credit. I always said she reminded me of the Maddy character in “Body heat” or the Theresa Russel character in “Black Widow”. Ruthless, sexual, a man-eater.
I'm torn. I want to say she's a complete trainwreck, who acted so impulsively and irrationally on and around this murder, making mistake after mistake, careless, reckless and just plain sloppy. But she has not been arrested. There is insufficient incriminating evidence so she has to be given some credit for successfully distancing herself from the crime and as you pointed out successfully manipulating multiple people into doing what she needed them to do...
 
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I do think she knew about it. Thats where we differ. Do you think DA and CA would have ever killed the father of their grandchild/nephew without their mother’s approval?
Or do you think they never thought it would come out who killed him?
I do now think that CA and DA were OK with killing DanM and not telling WA, but if they did do that it would have been done so WA would never find out who the culprits were and the case would go on unsolved. And perhaps that's how it started out. The hitmen were hired before WA knew, then she found out at some point down the track. Perhaps CA alluded to the fact he would kill DanM without saying so much. "I'll sort out the DanM issue. Don't ask me any details Wendi, just get ready to move to Miami."

Nothing is ever mentioned to WA about killing DanM. She is probably cognisant that it's something bad, but it could be him being threatened or beaten up. She doesn't ask any questions as does not want to know. She willingly gives CA details about DanM's movements as she is still not aware he is going to be murdered.

And this ties in with DA's text "your brother protected you for years." As in he did this horrendous act for you, the dirty work and successfully ensured you were distanced from the crime so as to avoid being charged. Protected you from indictment. CA knows if he tells WA what is happening then it will be easier for it to be proven that she was a party or an accessory.

However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.
 
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I do now think that CA and DA were OK with killing DanM and not telling WA, but if they did do that it would have been done so WA would never find out who the culprits were and the case would go on unsolved. And perhaps that's how it started out. The hitmen were hired before WA knew, then she found out at some point down the track. Perhaps CA alluded to the fact he would kill DanM without saying so much. "I'll sort out the DanM issue. Don't ask me any details Wendi, just get ready to move to Miami."

Nothing is ever mentioned to WA about killing DanM. She is probably cognisant that it's something bad, but it could be him being threatened or beaten up. She doesn't ask any questions as does not want to know. She willingly gives CA details about DanM's movements as she is still not aware he is going to be murdered.

And this ties in with DA's text "your brother protected you for years." As in he did this horrendous act for you, the dirty work and successfully ensured you were distanced from the crime so as to avoid being charged. Protected you from indictment. CA knows if he tells WA what is happening then it will be easier for it to be proven that she was a party or an accessory.

However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.
Good points. Interesting on the stand GC asks Wendi when her lawyer told her to not talk to her family about the murder. She says 2016. (After the bump) then GC says “what about before” and she says something like “well we did talk that the murder occurred”..very strange. Then her podcast about her “latex” husband.the most bizarre thing is her book. I still don’t think he read it even though his mother and others said he did. He was too smart of not know it paralleled their lives.
Also if she didn’t know the family was doing it, wouldn’t she have kept her kids away from parents and a brother who would kill her ex behind her back?
 
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And ultimately she can just claim she was confused, misremembered, it was 15 years ago.

I'm hoping they can retrieve WA's Whatsapp data. If it shows KM's contact details and/or she contacted KM on the day of the murder that would be incriminating.

I more or less agree that we need someone to flip for WA to be arrested. DA won't, CA might. There may be other evidence the State have, but then I keep coming back to the fact she still has not been arrested.
Georgia asked Wendi if KM got on the phone while she was ever on the phone talking to Charlie.
W said “no”.
Why would GC ask that question if she didn’t have the answer?
There is only one wire call we have from Charlie to Wendi Where Charlie asks Wendi to dinner (He was urged by Donna to take Wendi out and convince her to stay with Dave).
It’s a weird call where Wendi acts a bit flirtatious with her brother.

Is it possible there is another wiretap call from Charlie to Wendi where KM gets on the phone?
That hasn’t been released yet??
That would be awesome.
 
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Georgia asked Wendi if KM got on the phone while she was ever on the phone talking to Charlie.
W said “no”.
Why would GC ask that question if she didn’t have the answer?
Ah ok. That's a very specific thing to ask. But how would GC know? Are we talking pre murder when there were no wire taps?
 
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Ah ok. That's a very specific thing to ask. But how would GC know? Are we talking pre murder when there were no wire taps?
She didn’t specificy. She just asked Wendi on the stand if when she ever spoke to Charlie, if KM got on the phone. Yes it was very specific. Now I will have to find it. She may have said “I don’t think so”. I do recall theres times when Wendi has said this vs a straight “No”. I’ll look it up.
We have the wiretaps after the bump so 4/2016. Where there would be a wire tap or proof but yes, it could have also been prior to the bump or pre murder but no wire taps then.
There could also have been a text message where W mentioned a call, but shes too smart to leave that kind of evidence. Or what’s app mention.That question sparked my interest bc GC would not have asked that if she didn’t have the answer. But who knows. She could have just asked that for whatever reason,
 
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She could have just asked that for whatever reason,
I felt a lot of GC's questions were asked even they she knew what the answer was. Simply wanting to elicit a lie from WA and use it later on down the track. Why waste time asking specific questions if she did not know the answer and knew WA would probably lie.
 
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I felt a lot of GC's questions were asked even they she knew what the answer was. Simply wanting to elicit a lie from WA and use it later on down the track. Why waste time asking specific questions if she did not know the answer and knew WA would probably lie.
GC: “What about when you were talking to your brother. Did she (KM) ever get on the phone and speak to you “?
WA: “I don’t think so”.
Law and Crime trials -Wendi Adelson testifies in brothers hitman conspiracy murder trial- full testimony Part 1
@1:27:35 timestamp.
GC asked her if she ever communicated with her via text or Whats app prior to this question.

It’s always interesting when WA said “I don’t think so” vs “Yes” or “No”.
 
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GC: “What about when you were talking to your brother. Did she (KM) ever get on the phone and speak to you “?
WA: “I don’t think so”.
Law and Crime trials -Wendi Adelson testifies in brothers hitman conspiracy murder trial- full testimony Part 1
@1:27:35 timestamp.
GC asked her if she ever communicated with her via text or Whats app prior to this question.

It’s always interesting when WA said “I don’t think so” vs “Yes” or “No”.
Yeah. None of that is relevant to CA's trial. Why ask it? There must be some reason for it. GC is a highly accomplished trial lawyer, not some year 10 kid in a mooting comeptition.

Why not ask if she communicated with SG or LR??
 
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Yeah. None of that is relevant to CA's trial. Why ask it? There must be some reason for it. GC is a highly accomplished trial lawyer, not some year 10 kid in a mooting comeptition.

Why not ask if she communicated with SG or LR??
I will go back and look at the questions immediately before that one. I think she said a definitive “No” about any communication with KM other than the dinner at Yardbird and the beach. Thats when WA was overly animated with her hand gestures..No phone calls (imaginary phone), no texting (imaginary texting motion).

She has only said “I don’t think so” a strategic number of times. At one time I had a notebook of when she said this vs yes or no. I always felt the “I don’t think so” was really “yes”, in case the state had evidence or having to do with her immunity..not lying, etc.
I’m thinking it had to have happened.

Why would there be a problem with KM getting on the phone if her brother is dating her?
Maybe because she has stated prior that she only had two meetings/communication with her, yet this is the first time GC asked that question and it may have thrown her off-and she did speak with KM on that call.
So the “I don’t think so” is a much better response to that question.
She has definitely distanced herself from KM at the other trials.

She knows what she is doing. Nobodies fool.

PS another “I don’t know” or “I don’t think so or “I don’t remember that” is when asked if KM was at Harveys Paella party.
I’d think she would remember who they invited. Or who was there since it was so close to the murder.
 
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I do now think that CA and DA were OK with killing DanM and not telling WA, but if they did do that it would have been done so WA would never find out who the culprits were and the case would go on unsolved. And perhaps that's how it started out. The hitmen were hired before WA knew, then she found out at some point down the track. Perhaps CA alluded to the fact he would kill DanM without saying so much. "I'll sort out the DanM issue. Don't ask me any details Wendi, just get ready to move to Miami."

Nothing is ever mentioned to WA about killing DanM. She is probably cognisant that it's something bad, but it could be him being threatened or beaten up. She doesn't ask any questions as does not want to know. She willingly gives CA details about DanM's movements as she is still not aware he is going to be murdered.

And this ties in with DA's text "your brother protected you for years." As in he did this horrendous act for you, the dirty work and successfully ensured you were distanced from the crime so as to avoid being charged. Protected you from indictment. CA knows if he tells WA what is happening then it will be easier for it to be proven that she was a party or an accessory.

However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.
“However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.“




What about her backing out of the house in Tallahassee the same day (Halloween) as Charlie spoke to KM about the hit?
 
  • #478
I do now think that CA and DA were OK with killing DanM and not telling WA, but if they did do that it would have been done so WA would never find out who the culprits were and the case would go on unsolved. And perhaps that's how it started out. The hitmen were hired before WA knew, then she found out at some point down the track. Perhaps CA alluded to the fact he would kill DanM without saying so much. "I'll sort out the DanM issue. Don't ask me any details Wendi, just get ready to move to Miami."

Nothing is ever mentioned to WA about killing DanM. She is probably cognisant that it's something bad, but it could be him being threatened or beaten up. She doesn't ask any questions as does not want to know. She willingly gives CA details about DanM's movements as she is still not aware he is going to be murdered.

And this ties in with DA's text "your brother protected you for years." As in he did this horrendous act for you, the dirty work and successfully ensured you were distanced from the crime so as to avoid being charged. Protected you from indictment. CA knows if he tells WA what is happening then it will be easier for it to be proven that she was a party or an accessory.

However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.

Yes, I can also see them planning this and purposely leaving Wendi out of the planning with the goal of (obviously) never getting caught and thinking it will simply be an unsolved crime and never disclosing the truth to Wendi. As you suggested, the plan could have taken a turn at any point for multiple reasons and we don’t have enough information to be certain, we can only speculate. Did Wendi figure it out, were they forced to tell her as some point – day of, shortly after? I will continue to say its surprising to me that so many that follow this case say they would never have planned this without Wendi’s blessing. A psychopath doesn’t ask for permission when they are doing something they think is in ‘their’ best interest or the best interest of their family – even if its murder. It’s hard for a healthy human mind to wrap their head around why they didn’t need her permission.

As far as Donna’s message "your brother protected you for years". We can look at that statement in multiple ways. Two likely possibilities:

1) In Donna’s warped mind, the plan to murder Dan was done for Wendi’s best interest and Charlie did it to protect her.
2) It was a more general statement to mean that for Wendi’s entire life Charlie protected his little sister.

I personally think it had more to do with something in the ballpark of two above. Charlie was the first Adelson accused and at the time of her statement, the only one that had been arrested and he had already been convicted. IMO, nothing Charlie did (that is public info) in the aftermath of the murder was done to protect Wendi. I think Donna was saying and doing what she does best, applying the Jewish guilt because she felt Wendi abandoned them and in Donna’s warped mind she believes what they did was justified and Wendi doesn’t appreciate it. Donna is a really sick person.

Unless they find more evidence, the ‘this is so sweet’ text and deletion will likely be the most difficult hurdle for Wendi and her defense team if the day ever comes that she is on trial. IMO, it doesn’t prove her direct involvement, but the fact that she wrote that and deleted it is not a good look and many will interpret it exactly like you suggest unless more details are given like what may have preceded that text from Wendi. Was it in response to something Charlie had texted her? If it was just a random text with no other context in the text string, it does not look good. One of the challenges with trying to apply common sense or logic and speculating on the case is we are only given certain details and set of facts by the prosecution. If there was a message from Charlie in that text string that preceded Wendi's text and it was unrelated to the murder, maybe something else that could have prompted such a reply, would the prosecution have disclosed that?
 
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“However at some point prior to the murder she found out. Maybe only weeks before. Who knows. I'd like to think her apparent emotional state on the day of the murder was her struggling to deal with the fact the father of her children was about to be murdered, but then she texting CA "this is so sweet." The inference being him killing DanM was a sweet gesture. Not a shred of humanity left in that woman.“




What about her backing out of the house in Tallahassee the same day (Halloween) as Charlie spoke to KM about the hit?
Yup that too.
 
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I will continue to say its surprising to me that so many that follow this case say they would never have planned this without Wendi’s blessing. A psychopath doesn’t ask for permission when they are doing something they think is in ‘their’ best interest or the best interest of their family – even if its murder. It’s hard for a healthy human mind to wrap their head around why they didn’t need her permission.
It makes more sense not to tell her. If she objected then they can't go through with it.
 
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