FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

[amicuscurie]

Isom and Sanford specifically asked the red topped lady about the 24th so I’d say that is the time. I replayed it 3 times to make sure I got it right. It was never brought up in court prob bc it didn't involve the 2, but I’d think it’s still important. When I have more time I’ll quote what they asked her about it. I did think it had to be in between the June 4/5 and actually day it happened.

It seems since WA had the kids the 2 weeks in Miami the weeks before, then the 24th would have been a Wendi week. Just out of curiosity would be interesting if DM was in town.

Lol about the other stuff. I’ll refrain from commenting further

If I recall correctly, in her police interview, W says that during that summer, when Dan didn’t have the kids, he would go visit Amy in ny. I would imagine this could have made it difficult hypothetically for whoever allegedly planned the murder to find a time when he would not have the kids, but would still be in town.

 

[Going Rogue]

I already corrected my comments. Really sorry about that..Remember the July Jetski “event”. I don’t want to go back over a year ago bc we discussed it. And I know it made a couple of you guys upset. For me, it now opens it up to the possibility of the July 1st… Sorry but I really thought the young lady said the 24th. It was a little low and my ipad sound was low so I misheard.

I saw your other comment after I posted... but yes, I remember the jet ski incident and your belief – nothing ever ‘upset’ me over that conversation and I remember exactly what you were thinking. The call to Harvey’s cell phone that Sigfredo made was not made when Sigfredo was in Tallahassee. In one of the trials, Sarah Dugan was laying out the groundwork for the states theory, she referenced that a cell phone that was pinging to cell towers near premier gym on the day of the murder ALSO had a ‘record’ of calling Harvey’s cell phone. The call was not alleged by Dugan to have been made from Premier gym OR when Sigfredo’s was in Tallahassee. It was just part of the digital forensic evidence and one of the ways they linked Sigfredo’s phone to the crime / connected to Harvey. You were speculating that Sigfredo called Harvey while he was in Tallahassee on July 1st and I believe its because Dugan's statement was rather confusing.

 

[Knitpicker]

I saw your other comment after I posted... but yes, I remember the jet ski incident and your belief – nothing ever ‘upset’ me over that conversation and I remember exactly what you were thinking. The call to Harvey’s cell phone that Sigfredo made was not made when Sigfredo was in Tallahassee. In one of the trials, Sarah Dugan was laying out the groundwork for the states theory, she referenced that a cell phone that was pinging to cell towers near premier gym on the day of the murder ALSO had a ‘record’ of calling Harvey’s cell phone. The call was not alleged by Dugan to have been made from Premier gym OR when Sigfredo’s was in Tallahassee. It was just part of the digital forensic evidence and one of the ways they linked Sigfredo’s phone to the crime / connected to Harvey. You were speculating that Sigfredo called Harvey while he was in Tallahassee on July 1st and I believe its because Dugan's statement was rather confusing.

Are you saying that Sarah said that the call from SG’s phone to Harvey on July 1st pinged in Miami?
it was 2 guys from here that were discussing it on another platform. Maybe one of them wasn't you.

 

[amicuscurie]

Are you saying that Sarah said that the call from SG’s phone to Harvey on July 1st pinged in Miami?
it was 2 guys from here that were discussing it on another platform. Maybe one of them wasn't you.

As far as I can recall from the evidence, the call that Sig made to Harvey’s phone happened on the day of the jetski incident, in South Florida. The police did a “tower dump” of all the phones which pinged off the tower at the Tallahassee gym on the day of the murder, and cross-referenced the numbers they found with numbers which had called the Adelsons’ phones. In so doing, they found that a phone number from the Tallahassee tower dump had called Harvey’s phone. If I recall correctly, it was the first solid link between the killers and the Adelsons, and it represented a major break in the case. To date I don’t recall seeing any other evidence of any direct communication between Sig, the alleged triggerman who was convicted of actually killing Dan, and any of the Adelsons.

 

[Knitpicker]

As far as I can recall from the evidence, the call that Sig made to Harvey’s phone happened on the day of the jetski incident, in South Florida. The police did a “tower dump” of all the phones which pinged off the tower at the Tallahassee gym on the day of the murder, and cross-referenced the numbers they found with numbers which had called the Adelsons’ phones. In so doing, they found that a phone number from the Tallahassee tower dump had called Harvey’s phone. If I recall correctly, it was the first solid link between the killers and the Adelsons, and it represented a major break in the case. To date I don’t recall seeing any other evidence of any direct communication between Sig, the alleged triggerman who was convicted of actually killing Dan, and any of the Adelsons.

Exactly!! We have not heard much about this and the Jetski story is far fetched bc no way was SG able to sit at A pizza restaurant where the exit was to the building that KM lived in. If you do a search of a map of “North Bay VIllage” and you locate KMs mothers condo, you will see that across the street is a shopping center (enclosed) and the pizza restaurant is INSIDE, so there is no way anyone can see what is on the street fromt here,..let alone form a in a split second, grab the kids and in his car with his car prevent KM and CA from getting out,.
So we are supposed to believe this happened, and he was so mad C was taking KM jetskiing that he called Charlie with a number ALTEADY programmed in his phone…from when? And it turned out to be HA’s number?
Plus it was a weekday and we’d have to assume K and C took the day off and also SG to watch his kids.
For that reason alone I don’t buy the whole jetski story and I had thought SG was in Tallahassee and even HA was there up with Wendi. We do know his Bday was that Saturday so perhaps W and kids drove down with them for the party? And perhaps that was to be his Bday gift?

I did think he phone pinged at Premiere JUly 1. But nothing was mentioned on that for a long time.I;d think it would help with Harveys involvement -if my theory is true.

 

[Going Rogue]

As far as I can recall from the evidence, the call that Sig made to Harvey’s phone happened on the day of the jetski incident, in South Florida. The police did a “tower dump” of all the phones which pinged off the tower at the Tallahassee gym on the day of the murder, and cross-referenced the numbers they found with numbers which had called the Adelsons’ phones. In so doing, they found that a phone number from the Tallahassee tower dump had called Harvey’s phone. If I recall correctly, it was the first solid link between the killers and the Adelsons, and it represented a major break in the case. To date I don’t recall seeing any other evidence of any direct communication between Sig, the alleged triggerman who was convicted of actually killing Dan, and any of the Adelsons.

Bingo.... That's exactly how Sarah described the 'link' or 'breakthrough' during one of the trials....

 

[amicuscurie]

Exactly!! We have not heard much about this and the Jetski story is far fetched bc no way was SG able to sit at A pizza restaurant where the exit was to the building that KM lived in. If you do a search of a map of “North Bay VIllage” and you locate KMs mothers condo, you will see that across the street is a shopping center (enclosed) and the pizza restaurant is INSIDE, so there is no way anyone can see what is on the street fromt here,..let alone form a in a split second, grab the kids and in his car with his car prevent KM and CA from getting out,.
So we are supposed to believe this happened, and he was so mad C was taking KM jetskiing that he called Charlie with a number ALTEADY programmed in his phone…from when? And it turned out to be HA’s number?
Plus it was a weekday and we’d have to assume K and C took the day off and also SG to watch his kids.
For that reason alone I don’t buy the whole jetski story and I had thought SG was in Tallahassee and even HA was there up with Wendi. We do know his Bday was that Saturday so perhaps W and kids drove down with them for the party? And perhaps that was to be his Bday gift?

I did think he phone pinged at Premiere JUly 1. But nothing was mentioned on that for a long time.I;d think it would help with Harveys involvement -if my theory is true.

I, personally, think he was stalking her, saw her with Charlie, got angry, looked for Charlie’s number in her phone, saw a number for “Dr. Adelson” and called it. If there was communication between Sig and any one of the Adelsons about the murder, in my opinion, there would be more than that one call. The fact that there isn’t leads me to believe the parties involved were intentionally trying to avoid creating any evidence of such direct contact. I believe Sig slipped up because of jealousy and the police got a very lucky break.

 

[amicuscurie]

Dbm

 

[Going Rogue]

Exactly!! We have not heard much about this and the Jetski story is far fetched bc no way was SG able to sit at A pizza restaurant where the exit was to the building that KM lived in. If you do a search of a map of “North Bay VIllage” and you locate KMs mothers condo, you will see that across the street is a shopping center (enclosed) and the pizza restaurant is INSIDE, so there is no way anyone can see what is on the street fromt here,..let alone form a in a split second, grab the kids and in his car with his car prevent KM and CA from getting out,.
So we are supposed to believe this happened, and he was so mad C was taking KM jetskiing that he called Charlie with a number ALTEADY programmed in his phone…from when? And it turned out to be HA’s number?
Plus it was a weekday and we’d have to assume K and C took the day off and also SG to watch his kids.
For that reason alone I don’t buy the whole jetski story and I had thought SG was in Tallahassee and even HA was there up with Wendi. We do know his Bday was that Saturday so perhaps W and kids drove down with them for the party? And perhaps that was to be his Bday gift?

I did think he phone pinged at Premiere JUly 1. But nothing was mentioned on that for a long time.I;d think it would help with Harveys involvement -if my theory is true.

There was never any claim / mention by the state that Sigfredo's phone pinged in Tallahassee on July 1st. I really don’t know why you don’t believe the jet ski story... it was corroborated by Katie’s friend Yindra who testified that Katie told her the story well before the murder. She was probably the most credible witness in any of the trials.

 

[Knitpicker]

There was never any claim / mention by the state that Sigfredo's phone pinged in Tallahassee on July 1st. I really don’t know why you don’t believe the jet ski story... it was corroborated by Katie’s friend Yindra who testified that Katie told her the story well before the murder. She was probably the most credible witness in any of the trials.

Yindra also gave differing accounts of when KM asked her to babysit the kids.
I already told you why. Did you read my comment? How do you suppose SG saw them leaving the parking lot if there is no pizza restaurant on the street. Let alone in a split second get his car (where would that be anyway?) and block the exit.
Think it through…Only Superman can accomplish that feat!

 

[ch_13]

Why do you suppose Rashbaum didn’t take a deposition from Wendi? Charlie seemed surprised at trial and even said “I don’t know if I heard (watched) that” (her Isom interview)

Yet he bought a jury consultant.

Rashbaum may not have taken a deposition, but it's still likely he spoke with her pre-trial. I don't think there's anything preventing a prosecution witness from voluntarily speaking to a defense attorney even if no formal deposition has been scheduled.

I think everything changed after Charlie's conviction. We know that Wendi sent an email to her mother stating that any communication between them had to be through attorneys, so maybe that's why DA's new lawyers need to depose her and not just have an informal chat.

 

[Knitpicker]

If I recall correctly, in her police interview, W says that during that summer, when Dan didn’t have the kids, he would go visit Amy in ny. I would imagine this could have made it difficult hypothetically for whoever allegedly planned the murder to find a time when he would not have the kids, but would still be in town.

So that would actually support Wendi not knowing about the murder and asking DM if he will take the kiddos that week. Yes it was a mad rush to get the job done before she had to appear in court I think the week following the murder.
Good point about not being alone and chatting! It could have just been arranged between all of them, bc W can’t have contact now w/ her mother unless she is part of the legal team, right?

 

[Going Rogue]

Yindra also gave differing accounts of when KM asked her to babysit the kids.
I already told you why. Did you read my comment? How do you suppose SG saw them leaving the parking lot if there is no pizza restaurant on the street. Let alone in a split second get his car (where would that be anyway?) and block the exit.
Think it through…Only Superman can accomplish that feat!

I not sure what the logistical challenges might have been for Sigfredo prior to confronting them on the road while they were in route to go jet skiing, but I have no doubt that it was a true story. If you think for some reason the story was fabricated, that’s fine, I’m not trying to change your mind...

 

[Going Rogue]

Yesterday ML posted the unedited version of Jeffrey Lacasse’s first police interview. There are many things that stood out to me but that one that I can’t get over is Lacasse saying he passed Dan’s house 100’s of times because “Trescott is a shortcut”. If you remember, Rashaum had mentioned Jeff saying this in his cross-examination of Jeff, but we never had the context of when Jeff made this comment and exactly what he said – until now.

I have long said (literally more than three yeas ago) based on my unbiased analysis of this case and the ‘popular’ talking points, that Trescott did appear to be a shortcut if traveling south on Centerville to Thomasville Road. Saying something so outrageous had me labeled as someone either on the Adelson PR team or in love with Wendi amongst other claims. There are literally YouTube video’s dedicated to trying to convince people that Trescott is NOT a shortcut so Jeff’s statement in the interview jumped out to me. I bring this up because for years I have brought up points that I believe are viewed with such confirmation bias and I really don’t understand why ‘some’ people can’t objectively analyze certain details of this case and just believe narratives fed to them by certain people.

To anyone that insisted that ‘Trescott is not a shortcut’ and that there is “no way anyone would ever go that way” – I’d love to hear their reaction to Jeff’s comments – it’s at the 29:20 mark of linked video.

 

[amicuscurie]

So that would actually support Wendi not knowing about the murder and asking DM if he will take the kiddos that week. Yes it was a mad rush to get the job done before she had to appear in court I think the week following the murder.
Good point about not being alone and chatting! It could have just been arranged between all of them, bc W can’t have contact now w/ her mother unless she is part of the legal team,

if I recall correctly, the text shown at trial did not ask if she could have the kiddos for that whole week. To the best of my recollection, in the text she asked if he would be traveling that week, (which we now know was the week of the murder) because she wanted to have the kids that Wednesday evening. To me, this is curious.

Why? Because as we now know, the week of the murder was Dan’s week with the kids. it is my understanding that pursuant to their custody arrangement, the parent who did NOT have the kids that week would get them for a Wednesday overnight; I believe she mentioned this in her police interview, when she was telling Isom how she had the kids that Wednesday and saw Dan in the window of Whole Foods and didn’t go in.

Since the week of the murder was Dan’s week with the kids, it seems to me that W would have been entitled to have them overnight on Wednesday pursuant to their agreement. It is curious to me, then, that the evidence presented at trial shows that she sent a text to Dan saying she wanted have them that Wednesday and asking whether he would be traveling.

I have not seen the agreement, and it is certainly possible that it required the non-custodial parent to ask the other parent every single time about whether the Wednesday visit would occur. But from my knowledge of custody agreements and contracts in general, I believe this to be highly unlikely. The purpose of an agreement, generally, is for the parties to know what was expected to happen without having to ask.

Also significant to me is that it is my understanding that during that summer, his custom was to travel to visit Amy during the weeks he did NOT have the kids, not when he did, and I believe there is evidence that W knew this (I believe W spoke of this during her police interview); the fact that the evidence shown at trial showed that she sent this text weeks before the week of the murder; and the fact that cell tower records shown at trial indicate she sent it from the area of her parents’ condo in South Florida.

 

[amicuscurie]

dbm

 

[arielilane]

Old news, as y'all are always up on the most recent news. Posting as this is overdue and welcome news!


@PodcastSTS


#WendiAdelson is getting deposed next ….. in her new hometown of Austin…Traveling today so apologies for the delay.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900029150351811055

 

[ch_13]

Yesterday ML posted the unedited version of Jeffrey Lacasse’s first police interview. There are many things that stood out to me but that one that I can’t get over is Lacasse saying he passed Dan’s house 100’s of times because “Trescott is a shortcut”. If you remember, Rashaum had mentioned Jeff saying this in his cross-examination of Jeff, but we never had the context of when Jeff made this comment and exactly what he said – until now.

I have long said (literally more than three yeas ago) based on my unbiased analysis of this case and the ‘popular’ talking points, that Trescott did appear to be a shortcut if traveling south on Centerville to Thomasville Road. Saying something so outrageous had me labeled as someone either on the Adelson PR team or in love with Wendi amongst other claims. There are literally YouTube video’s dedicated to trying to convince people that Trescott is NOT a shortcut so Jeff’s statement in the interview jumped out to me. I bring this up because for years I have brought up points that I believe are viewed with such confirmation bias and I really don’t understand why ‘some’ people can’t objectively analyze certain details of this case and just believe narratives fed to them by certain people.

To anyone that insisted that ‘Trescott is not a shortcut’ and that there is “no way anyone would ever go that way” – I’d love to hear their reaction to Jeff’s comments – it’s at the 29:20 mark of linked video.

Well, I'm not one of the people who commented about Trescott. I'm not a local, so I have no idea what's a shortcut and what isn't. But I guess the question really is: "Trescott is a shortcut from where to where?" It really depends on where one lives and where one is going.

Just looking at the map from Charlie's trial, it does appear that Wendi went out of her way to go to ABC when there were liquor stores that were much closer to the restaurant. If I recall, her excuse was that she was unaware of those other stores.

Is it possible that she's so flighty she never noticed any other liquor store in her neighborhood even though she'd lived there for years? I guess. But to me, it just seems like another instance of Wendi playing dumb on the stand to cover up obvious lies.


Edit - I just remembered that during the trial I plugged in Wendi's address and ABC liquor into Google to see if it ever picked Trescott as a shortcut. I put in different days of the week and times of the day, and while sometimes it chose alternate routes, it never showed Trescott as an option. Try it yourself, and see if you can get a route that uses Trescott.

3303 Aqua Ridge Way to ABC Fine Wine & Spirits

maps.app.goo.gl

 

[amicuscurie]

I watched the Jeff interview in Going Rogue’s post, above. I think it’s important to note that he is specifically asked whether he has ever been to Dan’s house, and it is only in this context that he says he drove by it WITH Wendi, and passed Dan’s house “hundreds of times” but “never stopped.”

He could only have known it was Dan’s house he was passing if this was after he met her. The fact that he makes a point of noting that he did not stop also suggests to me that when he drove by either she was with him, or at the very least it was after he met her and found out it was Dan’s house. Otherwise, it would not be remarkable that he did not stop by, to me.

I’m other words, there is no indication from this video posted above of Jeff that he ever used Trescott as a regular shortcut prior to meeting Wendi, or that he even knew about it.

Is it possible that he was not aware of this shortcut until he met her? Is it possible she told him it was a shortcut? Is it possible, then, that it was NOT a well-known shortcut for people in Tally, because it didn’t really save a lot of time? Is it possible that this is why it seemed odd to investigators that Wendi claimed in her interview that it was “a shortcut?”

 

[Going Rogue]

Well, I'm not one of the people who commented about Trescott. I'm not a local, so I have no idea what's a shortcut and what isn't. But I guess the question really is: "Trescott is a shortcut from where to where?" It really depends on where one lives and where one is going.

Just looking at the map from Charlie's trial, it does appear that Wendi went out of her way to go to ABC when there were liquor stores that were much closer to the restaurant. If I recall, her excuse was that she was unaware of those other stores.

Is it possible that she's so flighty she never noticed any other liquor store in her neighborhood even though she'd lived there for years? I guess. But to me, it just seems like another instance of Wendi playing dumb on the stand to cover up obvious lies.


Edit - I just remembered that during the trial I plugged in Wendi's address and ABC liquor into Google to see if it ever picked Trescott as a shortcut. I put in different days of the week and times of the day, and while sometimes it chose alternate routes, it never showed Trescott as an option. Try it yourself, and see if you can get a route that uses Trescott.

3303 Aqua Ridge Way to ABC Fine Wine & Spirits

maps.app.goo.gl

The map you posted, which was used by the prosecution, depicts the ‘ENTIRE’ route (or actual route) from Wendi’s home to ABC then the restaurant vrs. the alternative route – home to ‘Publix’ to restaurant. I am specifically referencing the Trescott ‘shortcut’ which a completely different ‘debate’ then her decision to go to ABC vrs ‘Publix’ or ‘Market Square Liquors’ or any other liquor store which is what that map is illustrating.

I think the prosecution’s map you posted might confuse the average case follower when discussing whether or not Trescott is a shortcut. The shortcut ‘debate’ is different than the debate of why she chose ABC liquors. I completely understand the argument people make regarding her decision to go to ABC and all the reasons people state she chose ABC but again that is different than the ‘Trescott’ shortcut debate.