FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

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However, for someone in his situation, what possible credibility would he have to 'offer' something?

His word is worth nothing. There would have to be some hard evidence such as text messages or email. Or burner phone numbers for which call detail is available.

Criminals sometimes keep evidence as an insurance policy against betrayal.

 

[JerseyPride]

 

[JerseyPride]

 

[Charlot123]

First they kill the boys' dad then they spend the boys' future inheritance on vain attempts to evade justice. Oh, and they tag the boys with a now infamous last name.

Well, CA's inheritance was not, strictly, the boys one. Their inheritance is their mom's and dad's one. In this case, I think loss of other inheritance is even more vexing. Being raised by a brilliant professor, getting into law school, using his connections in law's world, even royalties from his book. And yes, sadly for them, their mother's name is now so infamous that there may be "reverse projection" on them.

But none of the A's thought, "what happens if the plan fails?" They didn't even think, "what happens if the assassins are bad shooters? What if their timing is bad?", Dan just dropped the kids off at the school. Besides everyone and everything the boys lost, organizing the killing in the days when the father comes to see the kids is nutty.

Logically, this is one of the worst thought of murder. Especially if Dan was dating again, maybe thinking of eventually having another family.

 

[BearWatcher]

If the original conviction is vacated, which does not look like a slam dunk based on the on the recent filings by the prosecution, would Offerman- an appellate Attorney- be the defense attorney or would another attorney need to be hired?

 

[amicuscurie]

If the original conviction is vacated, which does not look like a slam dunk based on the on the recent filings by the prosecution, would Offerman- an appellate Attorney- be the defense attorney or would another attorney need to be hired?

I would think he would not, since it appears to me he just does appeals, but I don’t know. It’s possible someone in his office, or someone he knows, is a trial lawyer and might take the case.

 

[amicuscurie]

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So it seems like they’re arguing that ineffective assistance is a matter for post-conviction relief and so he has to wait for his direct appeal to be exhausted. As a secondary argument, it seems like they are arguing that there was no conflict presented by the prior representation of Donna.

That’s interesting, I had thought they might agree to it just to get the issue settled and not waste time on an appeal that might end up being moot. Plus, in my opinion, if the conviction is vacated, it gives them a chance to do a deal and possibly get Charlie’s cooperation as to the other co-conspirators, and also not have to go through the time and expense of a second trial of Charlie. It’s possible they simply don’t want to go on the record as agreeing that there was a conflict, maybe possibly because they didn’t say anything in 2022, and they were no doubt aware of the prior representation because Rash had given a statement in 2016 on behalf of Donna.

 

[Zedzded]

Plus, in my opinion, if the conviction is vacated, it gives them a chance to do a deal and possibly get Charlie’s cooperation as to the other co-conspirators, and also not have to go through the time and expense of a second trial of Charlie.

Would CA's word be sufficient if he stated that WA was also complicit? Would there be some evidence that demonstrates her culpability?

 

[Knitpicker]

In my opinion the name will be changed soon, if it hasn’t been already.

She said on the stand “One day I will change all our names”.

 

[amicuscurie]

Would CA's word be sufficient if he stated that WA was also complicit? Would there be some evidence that demonstrates her culpability?

I’m not sure on that. Hs testimony would be evidence, and the jury could consider it, I’m not sure whether they would consider it sufficient alone. It’s possible Charlie can lead them to other evidence as well.

 

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Given that there is even more evidence against Charlie now than during his trial, the only real benefit I can see is if he has a chance to somehow make a deal. He must know how poor his chances are otherwise. I know that the family has, up until now, seemingly remained loyal to one another, and the clever money is on no-one turning against the others. The utter hoplessness of life without parole is how to imagine . He has to be deprogramming from his parents by now. Charlie has not had a history of making moral choices, he doesn't seem to be a very nice person. I have a small amount of hope for a deal still.

 

[Zedzded]

Given that there is even more evidence against Charlie now than during his trial, the only real benefit I can see is if he has a chance to somehow make a deal. He must know how poor his chances are otherwise. I know that the family has, up until now, seemingly remained loyal to one another, and the clever money is on no-one turning against the others. The utter hoplessness of life without parole is how to imagine . He has to be deprogramming from his parents by now. Charlie has not had a history of making moral choices, he doesn't seem to be a very nice person. I have a small amount of hope for a deal still.

I've waxed and waned over CA's potential strategy. From watching various docos and interviews, prisoners serving long sentences all yearn for and obsess over their freedom. Naturally. Even those with long sentences. The one thing they cling to is hope. So to have a life sentence with no chance of parole and no hope must be a terrifying prospect. So CA would absolutely be desperate for freedom and desperate for just a glimmer of hope.

It would kill him, however, to see his Mum and Dad in prison. I don't know why, because they are partially to blame for him being there. So I really don't know if he would flip. 30 years to turn in his entire family? I just don't think it's something even a lowlife like CA would do.

But then the chance of a new trial must feel to him like he's won the lottery. Is he really going to spend another cool million on legal fees and go through all these legal processes to then go to trial and produce some new bonehead story that even a 4 year old wouldn't buy? And I would imagine a new lawyer is going to tell CA how it is. "You have two choices, plead guilty and cooperate or try your luck with a new more whacky theory and end up with LWOP." Again.

 

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It would kill him, however, to see his Mum and Dad in prison. I don't know why, because they are partially to blame for him being there. So I really don't know if he would flip. 30 years to turn in his entire family? I just don't think it's something even a lowlife like CA would do.

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I'm not convinced it would kill Charlie at all to see his mother and father in prison should he decide to turn on them.
IMO, if he outed WA and was offered 20 years for concrete evidence, he'd jump at it.

 

[amicuscurie]

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I'm not convinced it would kill Charlie at all to see his mother and father in prison should he decide to turn on them.
IMO, if he outed WA and was offered 20 years for concrete evidence, he'd jump at it.

I believe (just my opinion) that it is possible he would give up what he may know , if he knows anything, as to Wendi’s involvement. I also believe the state doesn’t really need him to convict Donna, but it would help.

 

[Sustained]

According to STS and the Leon County case file, Donna has a new lawyer -

Joshua D. Zelman | Zelman Law

Zelman Law focuses on criminal defense, DUI, and family law in the Tallahassee area.

www.joshuadzelman.com

 

[LinasK]

'No reason to delay': State opposes Charlie Adelson's request to hear conflict claims

Lawyers for the state argued that Charlie Adelson’s appellate case should not go back to a lower court to address alleged conflicts in his murder trial.

www.tallahassee.com

 

[LinasK]

I've waxed and waned over CA's potential strategy. From watching various docos and interviews, prisoners serving long sentences all yearn for and obsess over their freedom. Naturally. Even those with long sentences. The one thing they cling to is hope. So to have a life sentence with no chance of parole and no hope must be a terrifying prospect. So CA would absolutely be desperate for freedom and desperate for just a glimmer of hope.

It would kill him, however, to see his Mum and Dad in prison. I don't know why, because they are partially to blame for him being there. So I really don't know if he would flip. 30 years to turn in his entire family? I just don't think it's something even a lowlife like CA would do.

But then the chance of a new trial must feel to him like he's won the lottery. Is he really going to spend another cool million on legal fees and go through all these legal processes to then go to trial and produce some new bonehead story that even a 4 year old wouldn't buy? And I would imagine a new lawyer is going to tell CA how it is. "You have two choices, plead guilty and cooperate or try your luck with a new more whacky theory and end up with LWOP." Again.

It buys him time out of prison. That alone may be worth it to him.

 

[Zedzded]

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I'm not convinced it would kill Charlie at all to see his mother and father in prison should he decide to turn on them.
IMO, if he outed WA and was offered 20 years for concrete evidence, he'd jump at it.

Yeah as I've said previously, assumptions I've made about the Adelsons have frequently turned out to be wrong! So who knows. I think CA would not hesitate to flip on his sister. I suppose with DA, it's inconsequential. CA's lawyer should be hopefully be telling him that his Mum is going down, period. So it doesn't matter if he flips on her. Her conviction is all but guaranteed. But his Dad is in his 80s, poor health, I just can't see CA flipping on him...

 

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Yeah as I've said previously, assumptions I've made about the Adelsons have frequently turned out to be wrong! So who knows. I think CA would not hesitate to flip on his sister. I suppose with DA, it's inconsequential. CA's lawyer should be hopefully be telling him that his Mum is going down, period. So it doesn't matter if he flips on her. Her conviction is all but guaranteed. But his Dad is in his 80s, poor health, I just can't see CA flipping on him...

And given HA's age and health, I doubt the State would even prosecute him.

 

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And given HA's age and health, I doubt the State would even prosecute him.

I would, if the evidence warranted. If he's guilty, impose the financial cost of defense and make his remaining life less pleasant.