FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

[Going Rogue]

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I just double-checked my numbers. Here what I get using Mapquest.

Wendi’s home to ABC then to Mozaik – is 9.2 miles Total – 18 minutes

Wendi's home to Market Square then to Mozaik – 5.1 Miles Total – 12 minutes

Difference is 4.1 miles – 6 minutes difference. Wow, I was wrong its actually less time 6 minutes difference!!! Is that way out of the way?

Here are all the addresses:

Wendi’s Address - 3303 Aqua Ridge Way Tallahassee
ABC Liquors - 1930 Thomasville Rd Tallahassee
Market Square Liquors - 1415 Timberlane Rd Tallahassee
Mozaic Restaurant - 1410 Market St Tallahassee

If I am doing something wrong, I will gladly stand corrected.

 

[Cedars]

So if we are looking at WA's knowledge of the crime, she needs to provide sensible, logical explanations for her behaviour the week of and after the murder. If she can't then that will help build the case against her, like it did for CA.

I disagree, she doesn't need to prove anything. It's the prosecution who has to prove guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt.

It wouldn't matter what she said or didn't say now: people are committed to their beliefs.

I just think it might be time to let go of the idea that's she's going to be charged any day now, but maybe not.

It was more than 5 years ago that I got tired of this same old prophecy being repeated over and over and left the thread (under a different name then).

Maybe people need to keep posting about it for another 5 years to get it out of their system.

JMO

 

[Going Rogue]

I rewatched Jeffreys testimony at CA trial. Reminded me that he stated at that trial for the first time that the first attempt was June 6 and another day he was supposed to go out of town.So what are the chances that the two times he goes out of town, the hits are scheduled. Only Wendi could have told Donna and Charlie this. Of course you can always say that Wendi spoke to her mother about things like that, but GC let Jeffrey say that on the stand. So it seems GC wanted to get that point across that she didn’t bring up at either of KM’s trials.

I can’t give you the probability on the chances on that, no one can. Here is a better question I ask you – do you believe there was a coordinated effort to frame Jeff Lacasse? I know you have followed this case for a long time and I know you and I have discussed this topic before. I believe based on that data that the chances that there was a coordinated effort to frame Lacasse is close to zero.

 

[Knitpicker]

I can’t give you the probability on the chances on that, no one can. Here is a better question I ask you – do you believe there was a coordinated effort to frame Jeff Lacasse? I know you have followed this case for a long time and I know you and I have discussed this topic before. I believe based on that data that the chances that there was a coordinated effort to frame Lacasse is close to zero.

I’m actually rethinking that..
I’m seeing Jeffrey very animated now.
I heard he has a movie or documentary in the works. But who knows whats real anymore with this case.
Life seems to be more of an illusion each day. I won’t mention the news today lol.
So If I can admit it….I don’t really think it was a coordinated effort. Not “Ok let’s plan this when Jeffrey is leaving so we can blame him”. Maybe just a coincidence that could have worked to make him a possible suspect. But the first car wasn’t similar….its all too much lol..
PS I’m almost afraid to admit it, but theres been times I thought Jeffrey may have known what was going to happen …but just never let on. even to Wendi. He was over her place so much who knows if she was speaking to Donna or Charlie and Jeffrey overheard. But that would mean she knew. I think JL hated DM just as much as the A’s did.
Because he was smitten and would be Wendi’s hero of sorts.
Funny thing is that he didn’t waste any time finding another girlfriend.
On one of the interviews he said Wendi was mad he was dating ___ (I don't think the name was given -it was a long time ago so my memory isn't as good.) and that was during the August call with Wendi (I think there were 2 that month).For someone who would have taken her back even in 8/2014, surprised how fast he moved on. I digress…

 

[Going Rogue]

I’m actually rethinking that..
I’m seeing Jeffrey very animated now.
I heard he has a movie or documentary in the works. But who knows whats real anymore with this case.
Life seems to be more of an illusion each day. I won’t mention the news today lol.
So If I can admit it….I don’t really think it was a coordinated effort. Not “Ok let’s plan this when Jeffrey is leaving so we can blame him”. Maybe just a coincidence that could have worked to make him a possible suspect. But the first car wasn’t similar….its all too much lol..
PS I’m almost afraid to admit it, but theres been times I thought Jeffrey may have known what was going to happen …but just never let on. even to Wendi. He was over her place so much who knows if she was speaking to Donna or Charlie and Jeffrey overheard. But that would mean she knew. I think JL hated DM just as much as the A’s did.
Because he was smitten and would be Wendi’s hero of sorts.
Funny thing is that he didn’t waste any time finding another girlfriend.
On one of the interviews he said Wendi was mad he was dating ___ (I don't think the name was given -it was a long time ago so my memory isn't as good.) and that was during the August call with Wendi (I think there were 2 that month).For someone who would have taken her back even in 8/2014, surprised how fast he moved on. I digress…

Interesting on the theory re Jeff possibly knowing... we do know he testified that Wendi told him that Charlie planned it in the past. It never occurred to me that he actually knew it was going to happen. That would be a hell of a plot twist. There are many details I have picked up on that I rarely or am reluctant to share because I’m just accused of being a paid Adelson PR guy. I have brought up before some major inconsistencies in his testimony that to me seemed like a subconscious attempt to take Wendi down. The biggest one was that he changed his story about Wendi knowing he was leaving at 11:00am on Friday to fit the ‘frame’ narrative / timeline. It’s a verifiable fact and I have mentioned it before. I honestly don’t think he did it on purpose, I’m no psychologist, but he was severely hurt and, per Jeff, under her spell and I’m sure there was major resentment – which is why I say it was done subconsciously. That ‘error’ in testimony went unchecked and simply because Wendi was not on trial, just a witness – it will be much different if she was on trial and his story changed. I don’t see a high paid defense team missing a major detail like that.

 

[Zedzded]

The only issue I have with JL that could affect his credibility

 

[Zedzded]

The only issue I have with JL that could affect his credibility is how he was so enchanted and spellbound by WA. Even when she had shown what a trainwreck she really was, overcome with her pathological hatred of her ex, cheated on him multiple times, treated him like crap, even admitted she was a pathological liar, even after all of that he was still wanting to take her back. She must have been incredible in bed, because most men would have run for the hills as soon as the lies or cheating started..

 

[yazoost]

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Difference is 4.1 miles – 6 minutes difference. Wow, I was wrong its actually less time 6 minutes difference!!! Is that way out of the way?
...
If I am doing something wrong, I will gladly stand corrected.

It's also the nicest liquor store in town with the most main road visibility. It's not surprising a non-drinker who used to live in that neighborhood would think to go there. Especially if she was going up Thomasville for lunch.

 

[Tapeartree]

It's also the nicest liquor store in town with the most main road visibility. It's not surprising a non-drinker who used to live in that neighborhood would think to go there. Especially if she was going up Thomasville for lunch.

Maybe so, but theree are a couple of visible liquor stores much closer to her meeting place for lunch. My question has never been about which liquor store she chose, but why she didn't stop to find out why police officers had blocked the rode. A downed tree on a residential street doesn't have police cruisers blocking the rodes with crime scene tape. Usually a sign saying " Road closed" is sitting out in the middle of the road with a tree service cutting the tree apart. I mean why not stop and ask what is going on?

 

[pseudo_hum]

Maybe so, but theree are a couple of visible liquor stores much closer to her meeting place for lunch. My question has never been about which liquor store she chose, but why she didn't stop to find out why police officers had blocked the rode. A downed tree on a residential street doesn't have police cruisers blocking the rodes with crime scene tape. Usually a sign saying " Road closed" is sitting out in the middle of the road with a tree service cutting the tree apart. I mean why not stop and ask what is going on?

IMO, because she knew.

 

[Knitpicker]

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I just double-checked my numbers. Here what I get using Mapquest.

Wendi’s home to ABC then to Mozaik – is 9.2 miles Total – 18 minutes

Wendi's home to Market Square then to Mozaik – 5.1 Miles Total – 12 minutes

Difference is 4.1 miles – 6 minutes difference. Wow, I was wrong its actually less time 6 minutes difference!!! Is that way out of the way?

Here are all the addresses:

Wendi’s Address - 3303 Aqua Ridge Way Tallahassee
ABC Liquors - 1930 Thomasville Rd Tallahassee
Market Square Liquors - 1415 Timberlane Rd Tallahassee
Mozaic Restaurant - 1410 Market St Tallahassee

If I am doing something wrong, I will gladly stand corrected.

How about the traffic lights and stop signs along the way? It’s not only distance.

 

[Knitpicker]

Interesting on the theory re Jeff possibly knowing... we do know he testified that Wendi told him that Charlie planned it in the past. It never occurred to me that he actually knew it was going to happen. That would be a hell of a plot twist. There are many details I have picked up on that I rarely or am reluctant to share because I’m just accused of being a paid Adelson PR guy. I have brought up before some major inconsistencies in his testimony that to me seemed like a subconscious attempt to take Wendi down. The biggest one was that he changed his story about Wendi knowing he was leaving at 11:00am on Friday to fit the ‘frame’ narrative / timeline. It’s a verifiable fact and I have mentioned it before. I honestly don’t think he did it on purpose, I’m no psychologist, but he was severely hurt and, per Jeff, under her spell and I’m sure there was major resentment – which is why I say it was done subconsciously. That ‘error’ in testimony went unchecked and simply because Wendi was not on trial, just a witness – it will be much different if she was on trial and his story changed. I don’t see a high paid defense team missing a major detail like that.

Changed his story?

 

[Knitpicker]

The only issue I have with JL that could affect his credibility is how he was so enchanted and spellbound by WA. Even when she had shown what a trainwreck she really was, overcome with her pathological hatred of her ex, cheated on him multiple times, treated him like crap, even admitted she was a pathological liar, even after all of that he was still wanting to take her back. She must have been incredible in bed, because most men would have run for the hills as soon as the lies or cheating started..

You got it. He even said it (not in your words)

 

[Knitpicker]

It's also the nicest liquor store in town with the most main road visibility. It's not surprising a non-drinker who used to live in that neighborhood would think to go there. Especially if she was going up Thomasville for lunch.

Or a drinker who drank her dinner according to Jeffrey. But according to Wendi she didn’t drink. Yet she downs 2 doubles at the “celebration dinner” on an empty stomach no less. Because she had not eaten a meal in a month (another lie bc it was 10 days according to JL and CA.) she sure has a way of stretching the truth.
Who is going to have 2 double martinis on an empty stomach? Or even one double. Charlie said the double was at the bar. I’d assume the one at the table was also a double.
So I am sure she frequented the ABC when she lived on Trescott.

 

[Going Rogue]

How about the traffic lights and stop signs along the way? It’s not only distance.

I understand – but there are traffic lights and stop signs on both routes, not just the route she took. What I posted was the real-time data based on a Mapquest query I did last night. I would imagine it gives you the time ‘estimate’ based on the real-time traffic or predicted traffic at the time of the query. It may also reroute you if there is congestion on a certain road. As you know, I have mapped this out before and the results can ‘slightly’ vary. Bottom line is that the TOTAL ‘distance’ between the two routes is approximately 4 miles. I’m not sure what data Zedzded had when he/she mapped it out and I’m happy to be corrected if my data is somehow wrong.

As someone (you) that has closely followed this case for several years, do you think that the average person that follows this case is aware that the difference between the two routes only 4.1 miles and depending on traffic between 6 to 10 minutes difference? I ask because I have seen so many claim she went ‘way out of her way’ – a popular uTuber with thousands of followers has said on more than one occasions she went 40 minutes out of he way. IMO, the fact it was only 4.1 miles makes it far less suspicious. I totally agree that if it were a 40-minute difference or even a 20-minute difference between the routes, I would look at this much differently.

Obviously there are other ‘variables’ regarding her the ‘visit’ to the crime scene that go beyond the simple point I am trying to bring awareness to which is simply that the distances between the two routes has (in my opinion) been grossly exaggerated in social media.

 

[Going Rogue]

Changed his story?

Yes, we have gone over this before . Remember what he said in the first 10 minutes of his first police interview? I had vague plans to leave on Friday or Saturday? Fast forward to his trial testimony – “only Wendi knew I was leaving at 11:00am on Friday”.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yes, we have gone over this before . Remember what he said in the first 10 minutes of his first police interview? I had vague plans to leave on Friday or Saturday? Fast forward to his trial testimony – “only Wendi knew I was leaving at 11:00am on Friday”.

Your brain is over 10 years younger than mine…so give it time lol.I don’t remember him using the word “vague”. I also know that his testimony was edited from ML’s original video. I remember trying to find something that was no longer there.
I asked ML about that at the time, bc the timestamp had definite missing time and he said there were personal things he edited out. Do you think that about the vague plans are still there? (The Sherlock Holmes). Im working today so I can’t do it until tomorrow.

 

[Knitpicker]

I understand – but there are traffic lights and stop signs on both routes, not just the route she took. What I posted was the real-time data based on a Mapquest query I did last night. I would imagine it gives you the time ‘estimate’ based on the real-time traffic or predicted traffic at the time of the query. It may also reroute you if there is congestion on a certain road. As you know, I have mapped this out before and the results can ‘slightly’ vary. Bottom line is that the TOTAL ‘distance’ between the two routes is approximately 4 miles. I’m not sure what data Zedzded had when he/she mapped it out and I’m happy to be corrected if my data is somehow wrong.

As someone (you) that has closely followed this case for several years, do you think that the average person that follows this case is aware that the difference between the two routes only 4.1 miles and depending on traffic between 6 to 10 minutes difference? I ask because I have seen so many claim she went ‘way out of her way’ – a popular uTuber with thousands of followers has said on more than one occasions she went 40 minutes out of he way. IMO, the fact it was only 4.1 miles makes it far less suspicious. I totally agree that if it were a 40-minute difference or even a 20-minute difference between the routes, I would look at this much differently.

Obviously there are other ‘variables’ regarding her the ‘visit’ to the crime scene that go beyond the simple point I am trying to bring awareness to which is simply that the distances between the two routes has (in my opinion) been grossly exaggerated in social media.

Yeah, and also the speed bumps would have slowed down the Trescott route.
I do agree that we have whats called neuroplasticity operating when we drive.
That means that if we have taken a certain route to get somewhere, we tend to always use that route.
I also thought that her appointment with the friend Renee may have been at FSU, so originally she may have chosen ABC and taken Trescott because that was the route she also went when she was teaching.
What is a problem is Jeffreys admission that She took Trescott a lot as a shortcut.
There is a way I can get to my office at about the same time as another way, but I prefer the route that takes me through subdivisions rather than a main, Commerical route.
My memory definitely declined since I got covid lol. Working on that. So when you say “Do you remember” chances are I don’t. Which is frustrating for me since I always had a keen memory (plus old age).

 

[Going Rogue]

Your brain is over 10 years younger than mine…so give it time lol.I don’t remember him using the word “vague”. I also know that his testimony was edited from ML’s original video. I remember trying to find something that was no longer there.
I asked ML about that at the time, bc the timestamp had definite missing time and he said there were personal things he edited out. Do you think that about the vague plans are still there? (The Sherlock Holmes). Im working today so I can’t do it until tomorrow.

Fortunately my memory is still sharp. I literally can recall comments, videos, testimony etc from this case from years ago. The ‘vague’ comment is probably still there, I don’t know why that would have been edited out. He said exactly what I quoted in the first interview and Isom even confirmed (in the third interview) that Wendi didn’t know when Jeff was leaving for TN. To me that’s a rather big deal since he later testified that Wendi knew he was leaving at 11:00am on Friday – which conveniently fit the same time of the hit to align with the ‘setup’ theory.

I think you are thinking of another thing that was widely discussed (I think on another forum) that you were smack in the middle of. ML edited out Jeff saying – “I’m surprised you didn’t contact me sooner, I must have said a thousand times in public I’d like to kick Markel’s a$$”. ML edited that out of Jeff’s first interview... I bet that may be what you are thinking of that you were going crazy looking for.

 

[Going Rogue]

Yeah, and also the speed bumps would have slowed down the Trescott route.
I do agree that we have whats called neuroplasticity operating when we drive.
That means that if we have taken a certain route to get somewhere, we tend to always use that route.
I also thought that her appointment with the friend Renee may have been at FSU, so originally she may have chosen ABC and taken Trescott because that was the route she also went when she was teaching.
What is a problem is Jeffreys admission that She took Trescott a lot as a shortcut.
There is a way I can get to my office at about the same time as another way, but I prefer the route that takes me through subdivisions rather than a main, Commerical route.
My memory definitely declined since I got covid lol. Working on that. So when you say “Do you remember” chances are I don’t. Which is frustrating for me since I always had a keen memory (plus old age).

You are starting to sound like an Adelson PR person