FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

[pseudo_hum]

IMO, I hope Donna starts enjoying the food because future Adelson Crime Family reunion's will be in prison.

 

[amicuscurie]

Well Donna failed miserable during those wire calls if that was the case. I think she would stand some chance of jury support if we didn’t have those calls (and her emails). She didn’t teach her daughter to be discreet thats for sure.

Yes, I agree, in my opinion the bump calls may have been an unanticipated wrinkle in their plan to keep Donna out of this, if that was their intention. In my opinion Donna’s mouth is the weakest link for them: the bump calls, the hot mic call, the call to someone regarding hotels in Vietnam (who then reported that call, which resulted in her arrest and a search of her home and phones, which led to the discovery of her calendars and the “outside your house” text). Unfortunately, in my opinion, she may have to testify at her own trial, because I don’t believe there is anyone else who can testify as to what Charlie may have told her. (If Charlie testifies, it is my understanding he can be confronted with and possibly impeached using him prior testimony, and so he is essentially bound by it and won’t likely be able to tell a different story should Donna have a different defense). In my opinion based on her performance on the stand at the recent hearing, I don’t foresee that her testifying at trial will go well for her.

 

[amicuscurie]

I was listening to Jeff Lacasse’s full interview with the detective -dated March 5, 2015 on YouTube - and when Robert’s relationship with the rest of the Adelson family was being discussed, Jeff said he suspected Robert and Harvey were on the autism spectrum. First I’ve heard this.

I was wondering whether anyone had seen this! A lot of juicy stuff in there, particularly regarding other men he says he believes Wendi was seeing during his relationship with her! (I do feel bad that the interview has the names of some of these individuals, which have always been redacted before, most likely because law enforcement wanted to protect their privacy. I question why whoever released this new unredacted interview didn’t at least redact those.)

I do recall in other interviews I’ve seen, LaCasse refers to Charlie as having been a “conduct disorder kid” and a “special ed kid.” Autistic people, in my experience, are distinguishable from kids with conduct disorders or learning disabilities which would require special education. This is the first I’ve heard LaCasse refer to the autism spectrum, it could be that his other assessments are more accurate. In any case, it seems to me he definitely sensed something seriously “off” about Charlie.

In my understanding Jeff did not know Harvey very well, having never spent much time with him, so I am taking the “spectrum” comment as applied to him with a grain of salt. Similarly, I don’t believe he ever met Robert or spent much time with him if he did; he seems to me to be basing some of his opinions on information he has heard from Wendi or from others who have visited them in South Florida after the murders.

 

[yazoost]

I am not attempting to negatively characterize being on the spectrum. However, I have met Dr. Adelson more than once. He displays none of the traits usually associated with being on the spectrum. Smart, funny, engaging, healthy group of friends, etc.

 

[amicuscurie]

I am not attempting to negatively characterize being on the spectrum. However, I have met Dr. Adelson more than once. He displays none of the traits usually associated with being on the spectrum. Smart, funny, engaging, healthy group of friends, etc.

Rob? (Sorry- there are several “Dr. Adelsons” involved in this story). I’ve never met him, but from everything I’ve read I’m inclined to agree. Just based on what I’ve read, I don’t think that Charlie or Harvey display any of those autism-spectrum-associated traits, either.

 

[yazoost]

Rob? (Sorry- there are several “Dr. Adelsons” involved in this story). I’ve never met him, but from everything I’ve read I’m inclined to agree. Just based on what I’ve read, I don’t think that Charlie or Harvey display any of those autism-spectrum-associated traits, either.

Yes, I was referring Dr. R. Adelson.

 

[Knitpicker]

Rob? (Sorry- there are several “Dr. Adelsons” involved in this story). I’ve never met him, but from everything I’ve read I’m inclined to agree. Just based on what I’ve read, I don’t think that Charlie or Harvey display any of those autism-spectrum-associated traits, either.

Usually kids on the spectrum are not extroverts so I’d agree. I understand Rob is a funny, engaging guy.

 

[Knitpicker]

I was wondering whether anyone had seen this! A lot of juicy stuff in there, particularly regarding other men he says he believes Wendi was seeing during his relationship with her! (I do feel bad that the interview has the names of some of these individuals, which have always been redacted before, most likely because law enforcement wanted to protect their privacy. I question why whoever released this new unredacted interview didn’t at least redact those.)

I do recall in other interviews I’ve seen, LaCasse refers to Charlie as having been a “conduct disorder kid” and a “special ed kid.” Autistic people, in my experience, are distinguishable from kids with conduct disorders or learning disabilities which would require special education. This is the first I’ve heard LaCasse refer to the autism spectrum, it could be that his other assessments are more accurate. In any case, it seems to me he definitely sensed something seriously “off” about Charlie.

In my understanding Jeff did not know Harvey very well, having never spent much time with him, so I am taking the “spectrum” comment as applied to him with a grain of salt. Similarly, I don’t believe he ever met Robert or spent much time with him if he did; he seems to me to be basing some of his opinions on information he has heard from Wendi or from others who have visited them in South Florida after the murders.

I felt the same way about the names. I agree they should have been redacted. I’d think they are going to be witnesses at Wendi’s trial though. Look up DS’s new book. Weird about the cover photo.

 

[IQuestion]

I felt the same way about the names. I agree they should have been redacted. I’d think they are going to be witnesses at Wendi’s trial though. Look up DS’s new book. Weird about the cover photo.

Who is DS...DSaack? (I have to keep a chart to remember all the initials!) Oddly, I had heard talk about a lot of this and initially passed it off as unsubstantiated rumors/gossip. As the curtain gets pulled back on this trainwreck, I am trying to not be a prude....but dhaaaang! WA brought this upon herself by saying JeffL was an unduly jealous person for accusing her of seeing other men. Mr. LaCasse has/had no choice other than to prove he was not a suspicious/paranoid gun toting boyfriend. He simply provided the names of individuals who might be able to confirm his claims. Detectives need to follow up on all possible leads...even the ones that make others cringe.

 

[Knitpicker]

Who is DS...DSaack? (I have to keep a chart to remember all the initials!) Oddly, I had heard talk about a lot of this and initially passed it off as unsubstantiated rumors/gossip. As the curtain gets pulled back on this trainwreck, I am trying to not be a prude....but dhaaaang! WA brought this upon herself by saying JeffL was an unduly jealous person for accusing her of seeing other men. Mr. LaCasse has/had no choice other than to prove he was not a suspicious/paranoid gun toting boyfriend. He simply provided the names of individuals who might be able to confirm his claims. Detectives need to follow up on all possible leads...even the ones that make others cringe.

Do you think WA heard the unredacted JL interview in 2015? Maybe why she was so defensive on the stand towards him. The comment “I USED to like him” or something to that effect. We haven’t been privy to the whole 3/2015 interview but perhaps she was? Yes thats thats who I meant.

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm trying to get inside the head of a 75 year old facing LWOP, which is obviously impossible to do. Would 10 years give her hope? Even someone facing 20-30 years would have hope they'd be released some day, but I would imagine it would be pretty grim waking up every day knowing you will never get out.

For me I'd take 10 years. But I'm not 75.

She had social status, clout, was the head of her condo’s book club, ran a successful practice, traveled, lived in a 2.5 million $ condo, ate the best food, could keep herself youthful with costly skin care,,,then what would her life even look like outside at 85? At 75 a woman usually sees her life slipping away anyway, seeing her friends getting ill and dying. At 85 her husband will probably be gone. What would she have? She lost her daughter and her 2 sons and is out of her grandsons lives with them now probably suspecting she was involved in their fathers murder. I can’t imagine she’d have anything to look forward to, getting out in 10 years.
Her problems and downfall in life really started 12 years ago, with WA’s marriage..as Chris D. said “We are all here because of you. Because of your failed marriage”…it all went downhill from there. Whats really left for DA?

 

[amicuscurie]

I felt the same way about the names. I agree they should have been redacted. I’d think they are going to be witnesses at Wendi’s trial though. Look up DS’s new book. Weird about the cover photo.

From what I understand, the entire interview has always been publicly available if you pay for it; my understanding is that ML paid for it but redacted it and didn’t publicly release those names.

 

[amicuscurie]

Who is DS...DSaack? (I have to keep a chart to remember all the initials!) Oddly, I had heard talk about a lot of this and initially passed it off as unsubstantiated rumors/gossip. As the curtain gets pulled back on this trainwreck, I am trying to not be a prude....but dhaaaang! WA brought this upon herself by saying JeffL was an unduly jealous person for accusing her of seeing other men. Mr. LaCasse has/had no choice other than to prove he was not a suspicious/paranoid gun toting boyfriend. He simply provided the names of individuals who might be able to confirm his claims. Detectives need to follow up on all possible leads...even the ones that make others cringe.

I’m sort of on the fence personally between thinking that her relationship with these men was as Jeff describes, or thinking that this may be something she wanted Jeff to think for some reason. In my opinion she is not necessarily a trustworthy source. If I recall correctly, Jeff seems to say that she left her calendar open where he could see dates with other people, and I believe he also says she would tell him about some of them. To me, this indicates that she may possibly have wanted him to know she was seeing other men, and that she might possibly have wanted him to be jealous, or appear to be. Another possible explanation in my opinion is that the relationship with Jeff may have been very causal at the beginning. Jeff does say, as I recall, that they did not get serious until the fall of 2013, though they met in the Spring and began dating. Speaking of things that also may have allegedly happened in Fall, 2013: as I recall, Katie testified that Charlie first asked her if she knew someone who could hurt someone on Halloween, 2013,

 

[amicuscurie]

Do you think WA heard the unredacted JL interview in 2015? Maybe why she was so defensive on the stand towards him. The comment “I USED to like him” or something to that effect. We haven’t been privy to the whole 3/2015 interview but perhaps she was? Yes thats thats who I meant.

It is my understanding the interview is publicly available, but you have to pay for it. I don’t see a reason why the police would have shown it to her.

 

[amicuscurie]

I felt the same way about the names. I agree they should have been redacted. I’d think they are going to be witnesses at Wendi’s trial though. Look up DS’s new book. Weird about the cover photo.

Weirder in my opinion is that the book appears to me to be about how to fake crying.

 

[Ferpo]

Who is DS...DSaack?

Former FSU assistant professor now at a northeastern USA university.

 

[Knitpicker]

From what I understand, the entire interview has always been publicly available if you pay for it; my understanding is that ML paid for it but redacted it and didn’t publicly release those names.

Well she tries to remove herself from knowing details about the case. I’d think if she did see it unredacted, she would know one day this evidence would come in… and not be so combative against JL-after all she wasn’t a model of fidelity….oh I forgot .”The state isn’t going to decide to arrest me”.

 

[Knitpicker]

Weirder in my opinion is that the book appears to me to be about how to fake crying.

Right..and the eye so eerie as hers was.

 

[IQuestion]

Former FSU assistant professor now at a northeastern USA university.

Thank you FERPO. That was my first guess, but just wanted to make sure. (Sidenote,finally finished Mr. Epstein's book Extreme Punishment.)
I recently learned a lot about "End-to-end encryption." (Insert forehead slap) LE can definitely recall, reclaim deleted texts, and decipher messaging on "WhatsApp" if they have the phone of at least one of the receivers or senders!!! Brilliant, huh? LE (or person trying to monitor it )can't decipher in transit; Sender to Recipient only.
Did KM finally decide to "give up a cell phone with Whats App messaging?" KM had no reason to give up the cell phone with WhatsApp, before. It would only have incriminated her in earlier trials, right?
Maybe her "Covid fog" has cleared up a little and she remembered why she knew DanM had been shot. Ironically, around the same time WA took her circuitous route to lunch via Trescott (all the way to the crime scene tape) and a liquor store.
GC wouldn't have asked about it in court, unless??????

 

[amicuscurie]

If I recall correctly per cell phone records and Rivera’s testimony, Sig powered on his phone at 12:30 and called Katie at that time and told her the murder had been done. Per cell tower and phone records presented at Charlie’s trial, Wendi left her house at 12:30 or a few minutes before. It takes at least ten minutes to drive from her house to the location of the murder, if I recall correctly, putting her on Trescott after 12:30. To me this rules out Wendi telling Katie about the crime before Sig called at 12:30. If the evidence is that Wendi left her house at 12:30 or even a couple of minutes before, then it seems to me that she would not have time to drive by Trescott and call Katie all before Katie received Sig’s call at 12:30. As neat as such a theory is, it just doesn’t seem possible to me.