FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #25

[Knitpicker]

Wendi’s phone pinged at her home literally minutes before the infamous call between Katie & Sigfredo. If Corbitts data is accurate, it would have been impossible for Wendi to have been at the crime scene BEFORE the call was made. I am certain on this because I’ve mentioned it before only to be accused of being on the Adleson PR team

Ok so I know the call between SG and Km was 90 minutes after the murder. How are you saying she was at home with the ping? Didn’t the tower cover a large area going down South to DM’s house?

 

[Knitpicker]

DBM

 

[Going Rogue]

Ok so I know the call between SG and Km was 90 minutes after the murder. How are you saying she was at home with the ping? Didn’t the tower cover a large area going down South to DM’s house?

You’d have to watch Corbitt’s testimony again. To the best of my memory, they pinged her precise location at Aqua Ridge at a time via cell tower triangulation where it would have been impossible for her to make it to Trescott BEFORE the call was made. Yes, there also is some degree of ‘range’ while someone is in the act of ‘travelling’ or ‘moving’ where a phone is ‘registering’ to multiple cell towers if the phone is 'moving' (e.g. while driving in a car) - those pings are only accurate to a given 'range'. If you watch Corbitt's testimony, its pretty clear (again UNLESS his data is wrong) that Wendi could not have physically made it to Trescott BEFORE the call Sig made to Katie. I cant recite exactly how he broke it down off of memory, but it was very clear to me it wasn't possible.

 

[IQuestion]

GoRo snipped for emphasis "She clearly lied during her testimony in all three trials about what she knew." I have to agree that is how I see it, too! Maybe she is lying about having no part in Dan's murder, too.
My questions are: "Why did she lie?" "Is she lying to stay out of jail or is she lying to keep her relatives out of jail?" Will she lie at her mother's trial?
I chuckled when WA denied knowing anything about the ongoing case.
"Don't read, don't listen, don't watch." Uh, wouldn't the actions of a prudent person question why they had to fly to Tallahassee and appear in court?
Per my open AI query, "a subpoena should state why you are being asked to appear, whether it's to testify as a witness or to produce documents, and it should specify the case details and the date, time, and location of the required appearance."

 

[Zedzded]

Cell towers cover a 5km radius. But this may have changed as technology advances. Re timeline. We don't know when WA drove down Trescott, but she stated in court it was between 12.35 and 12.45. At 12.30pm Sigfredo Garcia called Katherine Magbanua.

 

[Going Rogue]

GoRo snipped for emphasis "She clearly lied during her testimony in all three trials about what she knew." I have to agree that is how I see it, too! Maybe she is lying about having no part in Dan's murder, too.
My questions are: "Why did she lie?" "Is she lying to stay out of jail or is she lying to keep her relatives out of jail?" Will she lie at her mother's trial?
I chuckled when WA denied knowing anything about the ongoing case.
"Don't read, don't listen, don't watch." Uh, wouldn't the actions of a prudent person question why they had to fly to Tallahassee and appear in court?
Per my open AI query, "a subpoena should state why you are being asked to appear, whether it's to testify as a witness or to produce documents, and it should specify the case details and the date, time, and location of the required appearance."

As it relates to Wendi, the only thing I am 100% certain of is that she lied when she testified about what she knew and, yes, the “don't read, don't listen, don't watch’ was a lie. I agree its possible she was directly involved and she lied about not having any part in the murder, but if she wasn’t directly involved, I can give you several possible theories of how found out and what she knew and when she knew it. One possibility would be it was done behind her back and she found out the day of or shortly after that her family was involved - she was either directly told or figured it out. Another possibility is she was given a heads up (shortly before?) and told to stay out of it and to keep her nose clean – just two possibilities and there could be multiple variations where she didn’t take an active role in the plot to kill Dan but was aware it was her family. In my opinion, there is not a realistic scenario where she wasn’t involved AND by the time she first testified she did not believe or understand her family was behind the murder.

So if she wasn’t involved whether she knew beforehand or found out after he murder that her family was involved – why did she lie? The obvious answer is this type of scenario (your family murdering your ex) is VERY rare and can easily snowball out of control on you, but without knowing what she knew and when she knew it, I can only speculate. I can come up with many theories based on reasonable assumptions off of possible events. Let’s say hypothetically the 18-minute call that AM from Charlie was when Wendi initially found out there was a plan to murder Dan. Her options when Isom interviewed her was to tell the truth and disclose Charlie did it or to play dumb. Since she chose to play dumb, she was essentially locked into or tied to her family at that point – just one example.

Look at the Karen Read Case. If you are familiar with that case and you are in the camp of believing Karen’s SUV did NOT strike Officer John O’Keefe, then you must believe a LOT of people are lying about the events of that night. How does that happen? Not talking a position in that case but MANY people believe multiple people that were in the house that night are lying about the events of that night. IMO, when serious things with serious consequences unfold in real-time, things can start to snowball out of control very quickly. I can easily see how it could have snowballed out of Wendi’s control ‘IF’ she wasn’t involved and started out her initial police interview by playing dumb.

 

[ch_13]

Let’s say hypothetically the 18-minute call that AM from Charlie was when Wendi initially found out there was a plan to murder Dan. Her options when Isom interviewed her was to tell the truth and disclose Charlie did it or to play dumb. Since she chose to play dumb, she was essentially locked into or tied to her family at that point – just one example.

Of course, the weird thing is that she kind of did both. She played dumb, yet also threw Charlie under the bus by telling Isom about the "tv joke" and going into detail about how much he despised Dan. At the very least ensuring that the police would take a good, hard look at him as a suspect.

In all likelihood she was just trying to inoculate herself. "Would I tell you all this stuff if I had anything to hide?" But it sure does make one wonder about her planned end game.

 

[amicuscurie]

Wendi’s phone pinged at her home literally minutes before the infamous call between Katie & Sigfredo. If Corbitts data is accurate, it would have been impossible for Wendi to have been at the crime scene BEFORE the call was made. I am certain on this because I’ve mentioned it before only to be accused of being on the Adleson PR team

Why did W leave the house so close in time to Sig’s call, per the evidence shown at trial? That timing is curious to me.

 

[Knitpicker]

Why did W leave the house so close in time to Sig’s call, per the evidence shown at trial? That timing is curious to me.

And with so little time to meet her friends for lunch, why go out of her way to pass DM’s house to get bourbon, when she could have gotten it where lunch was to be, or after lunch (she was 10 minutes late for lunch arriving at Mozaik around 1:10.)

 

[Zedzded]

Why did W leave the house so close in time to Sig’s call, per the evidence shown at trial? That timing is curious to me.

And she was racing around trying to buy liquor, get gas and get to lunch which she was late for. She didn't even have time for a shower or a change of clothes.. but what was she doing all morning? The timing is curious

 

[amicuscurie]

And she was racing around trying to buy liquor, get gas and get to lunch which she was late for. She didn't even have time for a shower or a change of clothes.. but what was she doing all morning? The timing is curious

If I recall correctly, she told the cops she “ran out of time.” Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

As it relates to Wendi, the only thing I am 100% certain of is that she lied when she testified about what she knew and, yes, the “don't read, don't listen, don't watch’ was a lie. I agree its possible she was directly involved and she lied about not having any part in the murder, but if she wasn’t directly involved, I can give you several possible theories of how found out and what she knew and when she knew it. One possibility would be it was done behind her back and she found out the day of or shortly after that her family was involved - she was either directly told or figured it out. Another possibility is she was given a heads up (shortly before?) and told to stay out of it and to keep her nose clean – just two possibilities and there could be multiple variations where she didn’t take an active role in the plot to kill Dan but was aware it was her family. In my opinion, there is not a realistic scenario where she wasn’t involved AND by the time she first testified she did not believe or understand her family was behind the murder.

So if she wasn’t involved whether she knew beforehand or found out after he murder that her family was involved – why did she lie? The obvious answer is this type of scenario (your family murdering your ex) is VERY rare and can easily snowball out of control on you, but without knowing what she knew and when she knew it, I can only speculate. I can come up with many theories based on reasonable assumptions off of possible events. Let’s say hypothetically the 18-minute call that AM from Charlie was when Wendi initially found out there was a plan to murder Dan. Her options when Isom interviewed her was to tell the truth and disclose Charlie did it or to play dumb. Since she chose to play dumb, she was essentially locked into or tied to her family at that point – just one example.

Look at the Karen Read Case. If you are familiar with that case and you are in the camp of believing Karen’s SUV did NOT strike Officer John O’Keefe, then you must believe a LOT of people are lying about the events of that night. How does that happen? Not talking a position in that case but MANY people believe multiple people that were in the house that night are lying about the events of that night. IMO, when serious things with serious consequences unfold in real-time, things can start to snowball out of control very quickly. I can easily see how it could have snowballed out of Wendi’s control ‘IF’ she wasn’t involved and started out her initial police interview by playing dumb.

I am convinced that this family worked together from the start.
She HAD to be involved to be able to cover the parracide.

What I want to know right now, is how she can look her children in their eyes.
I feel so badly for kids who know too much, but know what else they will lose.

The outcomes of killing a family member have such unbearable consequenced...
why do people never learn.

 

[Knitpicker]

If I recall correctly, she told the cops she “ran out of time.” Curiouser and curiouser.

Maybe trying to beat LE to the house.

 

[Knitpicker]

Of course, the weird thing is that she kind of did both. She played dumb, yet also threw Charlie under the bus by telling Isom about the "tv joke" and going into detail about how much he despised Dan. At the very least ensuring that the police would take a good, hard look at him as a suspect.

In all likelihood she was just trying to inoculate herself. "Would I tell you all this stuff if I had anything to hide?" But it sure does make one wonder about her planned end game.

But remember she HAD to be home that Friday (as per JL)….he said that week was like a drumbeat..faster and faster.

 

[amicuscurie]

Of course, the weird thing is that she kind of did both. She played dumb, yet also threw Charlie under the bus by telling Isom about the "tv joke" and going into detail about how much he despised Dan. At the very least ensuring that the police would take a good, hard look at him as a suspect.

In all likelihood she was just trying to inoculate herself. "Would I tell you all this stuff if I had anything to hide?" But it sure does make one wonder about her planned end game.

What’s interesting to me is that I recall seeing that one of these YouTubers showed a copy of the written statement from the Tv repairman. As far as I remember from what he showed, the repairman did not mention that W said anything about her brother making a joke about a hitman. Hypothetically, one would think that if someone was being interviewed by the police, and he heard something about someone joking about hiring a hitman, he would have mentioned that.

 

[Knitpicker]

What’s interesting to me is that I recall seeing that one of these YouTubers showed a copy of the written statement from the Tv repairman. As far as I remember from what he showed, the repairman did not mention that W said anything about her brother making a joke about a hitman. Hypothetically, one would think that if someone was being interviewed by the police, and he heard something about someone joking about hiring a hitman, he would have mentioned that.

It’s too bad Isom didn’t ask him about that. He had already spoken to Wendi. Also interesting is that Wendi said she paid for that visit, yet she said the TV was under warranty which meant she would not have to pay for the service call. Maybe the “warranty” argument was just to have an excuse to say “we wanted to know whether it paid to fix it or buy a new one”(which reminds me-did he even say it could be fixed??who would say that kind of damage could be fixed?/ thats to justify the 18 minute call to CA that CA said was to discuss his relationship with KM and WA says it was to discuss her being upset about the pool issue that day…and then whether to fix or buy)… (and the alibi of taking up time the day pf the murder).. also with that comes the problem of why she would have to pay for anything if it was under warranty (unless the warranty didn't cover that damage). And you’d think that Best Buy would already know what the damage was before they arrived. So if Donna is the main contact, and paid for the TV, why did Wendi pay for the service? Sorry I know this is all run on sentences.

 

[Going Rogue]

Of course, the weird thing is that she kind of did both. She played dumb, yet also threw Charlie under the bus by telling Isom about the "tv joke" and going into detail about how much he despised Dan. At the very least ensuring that the police would take a good, hard look at him as a suspect.

In all likelihood she was just trying to inoculate herself. "Would I tell you all this stuff if I had anything to hide?" But it sure does make one wonder about her planned end game.

Many of Wendi’s ‘actions’ and decisions seem weird or strange without knowing the details of what Wendi actually knew at the start of the Isom interview. I have always said the fact that she mentioned Charlie’s joke about hiring a hitman to Isom and told Jeff that Charlie seriously looked into hiring a hitman literally days before the murder, does not make sense to me if she were directly involved. I know the popular theory is she was using ‘reverse psychology’ but that would be a reckless decision if she were directly involved especially when the stakes are so high. Maybe she got wind of the plan somehow and her family wasn’t aware she knew and she decided to drop a few breadcrumbs? To me, that seems more likely.

 

[JerseyPride]

The whole TV repair alibi is such a great source of unintentional comedy.

When contriving an alibi, the more detailed and complicated you make it, the less convincing it is.

You have to laugh when you think about how (1) Mommy needed to make the appointment from 7 hours away, (2) Mommy needed to send a written communication to WA to remind her that the Geek Squad was coming to “repair the broken TV in your living room”, (3) WA needed to call CA to have an 18 minute conversation about whether to fix the TV or get a new one, and (4) WA needed to stall the repair guy to drag out the length of the appointment even though it was obvious the TV was not repairable.

This reminds me so much of the Seinfeld episode where George and Elaine needed to create a fake alibi so George could meet Marisa Tomei. They couldn’t just keep it simple and leave it at George and Elaine meeting up for coffee. They had to add silly details: the meeting was so that George could give Elaine relationship advice. Elaine’s fake boyfriend was named Art Vandelay. Art Vandelay was an importer exporter. Art and Elaine were arguing about whether he should focus on importing or exporting. Unsurprisingly, these weird details were totally suspect to George’s fiancé and the alibi fell apart when she asked the simple question that George and Elaine gave separate answers to: What does Art Vandelay import and what does he export?

 

[amicuscurie]

The whole TV repair alibi is such a great source of unintentional comedy.

When contriving an alibi, the more detailed and complicated you make it, the less convincing it is.

You have to laugh when you think about how (1) Mommy needed to make the appointment from 7 hours away, (2) Mommy needed to send a written communication to WA to remind her that the Geek Squad was coming to “repair the broken TV in your living room”, (3) WA needed to call CA to have an 18 minute conversation about whether to fix the TV or get a new one, and (4) WA needed to stall the repair guy to drag out the length of the appointment even though it was obvious the TV was not repairable.

This reminds me so much of the Seinfeld episode where George and Elaine needed to create a fake alibi so George could meet Marisa Tomei. They couldn’t just keep it simple and leave it at George and Elaine meeting up for coffee. They had to add silly details: the meeting was so that George could give Elaine relationship advice. Elaine’s fake boyfriend was named Art Vandelay. Art Vandelay was an importer exporter. Art and Elaine were arguing about whether he should focus on importing or exporting. Unsurprisingly, these weird details were totally suspect to George’s fiancé and the alibi fell apart when she asked the simple question that George and Elaine gave separate answers to: What does Art Vandelay import and what does he export?

OMG- that episode is so funny! The importing and exporting!

 

[Going Rogue]

But remember she HAD to be home that Friday (as per JL)….he said that week was like a drumbeat..faster and faster.

Here is another observation I have brought up multiple times and I never have seen anyone else make this point or comment on it. Yes, Jeff mentioned there was something strange about ‘that day’ (Friday) to Wendi. He referenced it twice in his police interview. She told him she to be back in Tallahassee early on Friday to pick up the kids when they were planning a vacation AND she asked if he’d be around on Friday during the famous parking lot conversation after their yoga session.

According to Jeff, Wendi was seeing multiple guys during their relationship and I get the feeling he was probably correct. Do you think Jeff knew about the stock the bar party? I don’t think he did – did it ever occur to anyone that the stock the bar party was what was so strange about that day to Wendi? She had to be in town for the party and maybe she didn’t want Jeff to know about the party? Maybe Daniel Sack or another one of Wendi’s love interests was going to be there? Maybe the party was the reason she had to be back early on Friday? Maybe she wanted to know if he was going to around Friday when she had ‘a deep interest’ in his travel plans that weekend because she was thinking about leveraging his babysitting services?