FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #27

[vislaw]

Wendi’s text to Rob about Jeff

It's being represented as a strategic move by Wendi to have Rob identify Jeff as a suspect in the event Rob is questioned. Wouldn’t you know it, Rob actually mentioned Jeff – so it perfectly fits the long standing theory that Jeff was the fall guy. I would love to see the actual text to get the full context, but I can only bases my analysis on whats been mentioned in Rob’s testimony which is limited data and I’m trying to look at this objectively. In full disclosure, I do not believe Jeff was being set up as the fall guy, so I am bringing my biases into this analysis.

The timeline was late June of 2014 right before Wendi & Jeff’s trip to Gainesville and the month prior to Dan’s murder. Rob said he previously lived in Gainesville and Wendi mentioned she was traveling to Gainesville with ‘Jeff’ her new boyfriend. Was Wendi was inquiring about the lay of the land e.g. what to do / visit? Rob thought it was odd that Wendi mentioned a ‘new’ boyfriend because she hadn’t done that before. When I analyze that, she was coming off a recent divorce and although based on Jeff’s police interview Wendi had many flings, her relationships with Jeff seemed to me more than a fling and prior to that text to Rob, what other boyfriend (post her divorce with Dan) was worth mentioning? What is obviously odd about the text is Wendi telling Rob their parents don’t know about Jeff? Jeff was presented with this text (apparently for the first time last week) and testified yesterday that he had met the Adelsons (Donna & Harvey) several times and they did infact know he was Wendi boyfriend? I would love to know EXACTLY what Wendi texted to Rob re “don’t tell mom and dad”? Was it that she was dating Jeff or traveling with him? Also, credit to Knitpicker for pointing out that Jeff’s testimony on his interactions with the Adelsons is somewhat evolving. Lets also keep in mind this text to Rob was weeks prior to Harvey’s 70th birthday bash so Wendi knew she’d be seeing Rob and they’d all be together.

I don’t have a strong opinion on this text either way and just want to say I hate missing information and information that is presented without the full context. Possibly very damning for Wendi, but also possibly being blown out of proportion – like many other details to this case.

Love to hear other opinions!

I also believe it is unlikely that there was an attempt to "set up" Jeff to be the fall guy. It would be a pretty ridiculous plan given the absence of anything remotely incriminating against the guy and the almost certainty that he would be able to account for his whereabouts and activities. Moreover, choosing your ex-boyfriend to be the fall guy is a pretty good way to assure not only more attention on yourself, but also the likelihood that in defending himself, he's going to point fingers at your family (as he is doing).

 

[ShadyLady]

Wendi’s text to Rob about Jeff

It's being represented as a strategic move by Wendi to have Rob identify Jeff as a suspect in the event Rob is questioned. Wouldn’t you know it, Rob actually mentioned Jeff – so it perfectly fits the long standing theory that Jeff was the fall guy. I would love to see the actual text to get the full context, but I can only bases my analysis on whats been mentioned in Rob’s testimony which is limited data and I’m trying to look at this objectively. In full disclosure, I do not believe Jeff was being set up as the fall guy, so I am bringing my biases into this analysis.

The timeline was late June of 2014 right before Wendi & Jeff’s trip to Gainesville and the month prior to Dan’s murder. Rob said he previously lived in Gainesville and Wendi mentioned she was traveling to Gainesville with ‘Jeff’ her new boyfriend. Was Wendi was inquiring about the lay of the land e.g. what to do / visit? Rob thought it was odd that Wendi mentioned a ‘new’ boyfriend because she hadn’t done that before. When I analyze that, she was coming off a recent divorce and although based on Jeff’s police interview Wendi had many flings, her relationships with Jeff seemed to me more than a fling and prior to that text to Rob, what other boyfriend (post her divorce with Dan) was worth mentioning? What is obviously odd about the text is Wendi telling Rob their parents don’t know about Jeff? Jeff was presented with this text (apparently for the first time last week) and testified yesterday that he had met the Adelsons (Donna & Harvey) several times and they did infact know he was Wendi boyfriend? I would love to know EXACTLY what Wendi texted to Rob re “don’t tell mom and dad”? Was it that she was dating Jeff or traveling with him? Also, credit to Knitpicker for pointing out that Jeff’s testimony on his interactions with the Adelsons is somewhat evolving. Lets also keep in mind this text to Rob was weeks prior to Harvey’s 70th birthday bash so Wendi knew she’d be seeing Rob and they’d all be together.

I don’t have a strong opinion on this text either way and just want to say I hate missing information and information that is presented without the full context. Possibly very damning for Wendi, but also possibly being blown out of proportion – like many other details to this case.

Love to hear other opinions!

In Jeff's police interview he said both times the killers were in town when he had plans to be out of town shortly after. I think he is connecting the dots. But, I also think Wendy has plans "over and under". Trying tooooo hard to cover all the options. That is why she told LE about CA's comments. LOOK....I can't be guilty, I even told you about my brother. "BUT, of course I don't believe he did it".

Wendy trying hard to confuse and misdirect LE. Go this way....no go this way. Just not my way. IMO

 

[Montrealaise]

CA and DA spoke at LENGTH about the jury on jail phone calls. And "Tallahassee people" of course. They really do fancy themselves privileged and "better", (entitled). So, bet plans will be focused on jury selections, and moving the next trial.

I can only imagine how Wendy feels about Georgia Cappleman, haha.

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Has anybody here read WA's self-published novel, "This Is Our Story", which she wrote about a year before she filed for divorce? I never read it but I did read a review by a law professor who used to write a legal blog. He said that from a literary standpoint, it's execrable (amateurish and cringey) but fascinating because it's a thinly-disguised autobiography and sheds light into WA's feelings about Tallahassee and Dan Markel. The heroine, Lily, is a beautiful and brilliant immigration attorney who is held back from achieving her goals by her doltish husband. When she married him, she moved to a Southern town which is a backwater populated by hillbillies and hicks. WA's contempt for both Dan and Tallahassee come through loud and clear; her fictitious town and husband are both far beneath the sophisticated and cosmopolitan Lily. At the end of the book, Lily informs her husband that she is divorcing him and keeping sole custody of their child, and he meekly agrees.

 

[BUF]

DM’s voicemail to Wendi the morning he was shot, played in court

 

[New Penny]

Before today I felt it was unlikely the state would have enough to indict Wendi. I'm changing my mind now based on how this testimony is coming in today. Can't wait to see what more is coming.

Me too. I also suspect there is even more evidence against WA we’re not hearing yet. The prosecution is holding back, just like the testimony being brought out now that we’ve never heard before.

Here for it.

MOO

 

[CLGM]

Does anybody know of someone (YouTube commentator, for example) who is keeping a list of the new pieces of evidence that haven’t been heard in the previous trials? It would be really interesting to see the details which have been added each time there’s been a trial. By getting a sense of how the prosecution has built their case over time, the pieces that we haven’t seen but that they likely have might be even more clear.

 

[Going Rogue]

I also believe it is unlikely that there was an attempt to "set up" Jeff to be the fall guy. It would be a pretty ridiculous plan given the absence of anything remotely incriminating against the guy and the almost certainty that he would be able to account for his whereabouts and activities. Moreover, choosing your ex-boyfriend to be the fall guy is a pretty good way to assure not only more attention on yourself, but also the likelihood that in defending himself, he's going to point fingers at your family (as he is doing).

Here is the other MAJOR piece. If Jeff were the fall guy, why in the world would Wendi have told Jeff days before the murder Charlie looked into hiring hitman? I’m not buying the fall guy narrative even with the new information on Wendi’s text to Rob.

 

[Knitpicker]

DM’s voicemail to Wendi the morning he was shot, played in court

Meanwhile, she is having a leisurely lunch at 2 PM. Interesting that these texts are not in her call log from the last trial.

 

[Going Rogue]

Could be she was seeing that other guy in Miami (as per Sara Youssef), and made Jeff out to be just a friend to her family. A guy from FSU that helped her with her kids so she can date D. Sack.
I’ll get the Miami guys name if you want. There was a conversation on the terrace at ICON between Sarah, her then husband and Wendi.

Name is Kira-research assistant at FIU (Miami). Dating wendi- cheating on Jeffrey-He knew! She also said to Sara that she is going to prison for the rest of her life” at that time (Sarah’s depo)

Edit: Of course will have to be confirmed at trial.

Another excellent point! Yes, she very likely downplayed the relationship with Jeff to her parents. Her text to Rob, when analyzed by Rob in hindsight, based on all the variables including there was already a strong narrative that Jeff was actually the fall guy, is easy to interpret that way he did. I can easily see her not disclosing to her parents Jeff was a ‘serious’ boyfriend which was completely unrelated to the murder.

P.S. - I'm starting to wonder if you are in fact on the Adelson payroll - you aren't supporting all the YouTube narratives

 

[Knitpicker]

Another excellent point! Yes, she very likely downplayed the relationship with Jeff to her parents. Her text to Rob, when analyzed by Rob in hindsight, based on all the variables including there was already a strong narrative that Jeff was actually the fall guy, is easy to interpret that way he did. I can easily see her not disclosing to her parents Jeff was a ‘serious’ boyfriend which was completely unrelated to the murder.

P.S. - I'm starting to wonder if you are in fact on the Adelson payroll - you aren't supporting all the YouTube narratives

You should know me by now

 

[ch_13]

Here is the other MAJOR piece. If Jeff were the fall guy, why in the world would Wendi have told Jeff days before the murder Charlie looked into hiring hitman? I’m not buying the fall guy narrative even with the new information on Wendi’s text to Rob.

Why did Wendi immediately point to her brother as a possible suspect? Why did she tell the cops that her family hated Dan? Why did she keep asking Isom if she was a suspect when they were in the car?

Frankly, she said and did a lot of weird things around the time of the murder. I don't really know why, but personally, I think she tends to think out loud and blurt out inappropriate things when under stress.

I will say that I find this comes up a lot in trials. People say, "this person was smart. No smart person would do this stupid thing." It came up with Erin Patterson, it came up with Brian Kohberger, it came up with Nick Kassotis. The thing is murder is difficult and it weighs on the killer. The strain causes them to act in ways that are pretty dumb in retrospect.

 

[Going Rogue]

In Jeff's police interview he said both times the killers were in town when he had plans to be out of town shortly after. I think he is connecting the dots. But, I also think Wendy has plans "over and under". Trying tooooo hard to cover all the options. That is why she told LE about CA's comments. LOOK....I can't be guilty, I even told you about my brother. "BUT, of course I don't believe he did it".

Wendy trying hard to confuse and misdirect LE. Go this way....no go this way. Just not my way. IMO

I’m a stickler for phraseology as it relate to how information or data is presented. Jeff said both times he left town with ‘his’ car coincide with the two trips by Garcia & Rivera. There is at least one other trip he took out of town (to Gainesville – but not w/ his car) - just one other that I'm aware of - were there more? If you believe the hitmen purposely rented cars to match his Sentra than I understand the data point. Luis Rivera, the state's key witness, and the one that rented the Prius, made it clear there was no plan to rent a specific make model car.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anybody know of someone (YouTube commentator, for example) who is keeping a list of the new pieces of evidence that haven’t been heard in the previous trials? It would be really interesting to see the details which have been added each time there’s been a trial. By getting a sense of how the prosecution has built their case over time, the pieces that we haven’t seen but that they likely have might be even more clear.

Law Prof Jo (Prof Jo Potuto) on Surviving the Survivor YT channel is keeping a list and they say she will be going through it on tonight's show.

 

[BUF]

Sgt. Corbitt is a good clear witness.

Although communication data is so important, it can drag on….especially listening to these defense cross questions. Wondering if the jury is starting to get tired.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I am ready for the next witness, had enough of JZ's boring cross already.

 

[clearskies1]

Wendi melt down around the time of the murder? JL testified that a few days before the murder Wendi told him that Charlie looked into hiring a hit man the previous summer. The morning of the murder Wendi tells the tv repair guy the hit man "joke", and later proceeds to drive by Trescott. Then she tells Isom that Charlie and her parents might have a motive to have Dan killed. If she thinks her family could be involved, wouldn't LE think she was too? I mean Really? Does she live in an imaginary bubble where people think that a family would kill the ex-husband of a grown-up lawyer because the ex-husband "wasn't treating her well" -- without checking with her first? Did she totally panic and lose the plot when Isom showed up at her lunch? JMO.

 

[BUF]

The “bump” is coming up. That will wake the jury up….and us!

 

[ShadyLady]

Listening to baby mama Bree talk on 11/9/23 with CA, and Bree calling Wendi a psychopath. CA agrees. Interesting conversations for WSers that are not convinced of Wendi's role in the murder.

 

[Going Rogue]

I watched the entire KR trial. Lol how do you know if I watched it “closely”?

I don’t know which is why I said “I don’t think” as in not affirmative… I’m afraid to ask you any questions about your thoughts on that case

I only used the case analogy because the Karen Read case illustrates exactly why we need to hear BOTH sides of ALL arguments and remain objective EVEN with arguments presented by the prosecution or a prosecution witness. Tying it back to this case, there was a clear picture that was painted with Rob’s testimony re Wendi’s text about Jeff. I personally need more details on the Wendi’s text to Rob before I form an opinion.

 

[Wishbone]

I missed HA being removed from the courtroom....anyone have the details on that?