FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #27

[CLGM]

Could WA be under wiretap surveillance?

 

[floridafreshsqueez]

Donna and Harvey are from NYC boroughs. Lived very close to Manhattan. Harvey went to school at Stuyvesant in Manhattan and commuted from Brooklyn. Donna lived in Queens. So they are metropolitan people.
Going from NYC to even S Florida is a culture shock for New Yorkers.
Tallahassee is very suburban. I understand the Whole Foods wasn’t built until around 2013. When you are used to a metropolitan upbringing, Tallahassee would be very rural to you.

Yep you’re right. Although I think another thing to point out is that Tally is the most educated city in Florida. And most law school grads end up sticking around after to build professional relationships and get their careers started, so I could see Wendi finding that stifling as a Miami girlie.

Didn’t help that Dan got the full time gig and was well respected at FSU year after year.

 

[opt]

Could WA be under wiretap surveillance?

No. She should feel free to discuss anything and everything about the murder.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yep you’re right. Although I think another thing to point out is that Tally is the most educated city in Florida. And most law school grads end up sticking around after to build professional relationships and get their careers started, so I could see Wendi finding that stifling as a Miami girlie.

Didn’t help that Dan got the full time gig and was well respected at FSU year after year.

I was talking purely about the suburban aspect (environmental) of Tallahassee. Nothing about the people

 

[Seattle1]

I'm wondering if the judge had to swear in Donna because whatever she has said to her jailhouse buddies would (allegedly) be her version of the case, so it would be akin to her testifying if she agrees/refutes (through her attorneys) what they testify to. I assume this is to cover for the event that Donna opts not to testify in her defense when the state rests its case.

MOO

Respectfully, that's not how it works. Defendants/inmates lie all the time-- especially to other inmates!

DA did not write the "script" she gave to the inmates (Bernhardt, Byrd) as if she were under oath, swearing that they were accurate and truthful. Just the opposite, the script that was admitted into evidence was a self-serving, false statement written by DA to detract blame from herself by alleging that KM, the convicted co-conspirator, previously told them she was responsible, and was extorting money from CA-- all for financial gain.

However, if DA opts to testify in her own defense and repeats this fantastical story under oath, she'll do so at her own peril. And if DA doesn't testify, the witnesses were cross-examined by DA's defense, in an effort to throw shade on their credibility and encourage the jurors not to give any weight to their testimony. MOO

 

[clearskies1]

Could WA be under wiretap surveillance?

Certainly possible. But she definitely would be aware of that possibility.

 

[ch_13]

In the Lawyer You Know's review of yesterday's testimony, he thought that the swearing-in of Donna was because the defense attorneys asked the judge to do it. He suggested a couple of possibilities:

1. The lawyers were uncomfortable with the line of questioning that Donna wanted to pursue when cross-examining the snitches.
2. Donna had agreed to the lawyers' strategy against her better judgment, but the attorneys wanted to get on record that Donna isn't objecting.

He says he's actually done this before in previous state cases. Here's the discussion, starting at 58:46.

 

[Ferpo]

I was talking purely about the suburban aspect (environmental) of Tallahassee. Nothing about the people

Wendi grew up in Coral Springs which was 100% suburban, perhaps to a fault. Like many other western Broward cities, Coral Springs was a planned ("fake") community from the early 1960s, built on drained swamp land, containing mostly houses, a few golf courses, and ugly strip malls ad-nauseam.

 

[Tortoise]

Respectfully, that's not how it works. Defendants/inmates lie all the time-- especially to other inmates!

DA did not write the "script" she gave to the inmates (Bernhardt, Byrd) as if she were under oath, swearing that they were accurate and truthful. Just the opposite, the script that was admitted into evidence was a self-serving, false statement written by DA to detract blame from herself by alleging that KM, the convicted co-conspirator, previously told them she was responsible, and was extorting money from CA-- all for financial gain.

However, if DA opts to testify in her own defense and repeats this fantastical story under oath, she'll do so at her own peril. And if DA doesn't testify, the witnesses were cross-examined by DA's defense, in an effort to throw shade on their credibility and encourage the jurors not to give any weight to their testimony. MOO

My post didn't refer to the truth of the script, or of the defendant, or of the jailhouse inmates' testimonies.

It referred to her being sworn in during her trial as regards the cross-examination strategy of her attorneys concerning these witnesses and the script.

If she didn't take that oath and never takes the stand, it could create grounds for an appeal, in that she could claim her attorneys were effectively testifying to the truth or otherwise of that script/version without her consent. IMO

 

[Seattle1]

In the Lawyer You Know's review of yesterday's testimony, he thought that the swearing-in of Donna was because the defense attorneys asked the judge to do it.

!00% this!^^

We know how controlling DA is, and her behavior isn't going to stop with her attorneys! For example, look back at how she talked to Daniel Rashbaum when he was defending CA. The defense was desperate to keep both the script evidence and jailhouse witnesses out of the trial, and when they failed, DA wasn't likely willing to stop.... JMO.

 

[opt]

In the Lawyer You Know's review of yesterday's testimony, he thought that the swearing-in of Donna was because the defense attorneys asked the judge to do it. He suggested a couple of possibilities:

1. The lawyers were uncomfortable with the line of questioning that Donna wanted to pursue when cross-examining the snitches.
2. Donna had agreed to the lawyers' strategy against her better judgment, but the attorneys wanted to get on record that Donna isn't objecting.

What are the chances that we will ever learn what strategy the judge was asking about?

 

[Knitpicker]

Wendi grew up in Coral Springs which was 100% suburban, perhaps to a fault. Like many other western Broward cities, Coral Springs was a planned ("fake") community from the early 1960s, built on drained swamp land, containing mostly houses, a few golf courses, and ugly strip malls ad-nauseam.

I’m talking about Donna And Harvey.

 

[New Penny]

True, it’s as though her manipulation is innate. I wondered after collectively hearing herself if she thought ‘hmmm, I do sound controlling’. She though is a narcissist so she is incapable of being reflective.

Yes! The thing about narcissists is their lack of self awareness.

 

[clearskies1]

Maybe they to planned use an extortion defense but changed course when the script was ruled admissible. Now they are just going with reasonable doubt with no alternative (extortion) story. JMO.

 

[Zedzded]

Can someone clarify if there is some kind of policy in US law where a witness will not be shipped interstate to court at great expense if they simply aim to plead the 5th? i.e what is CA there for, just as a rebuttal witness?

He'll probably make things worse for DA's defence especially if he tries to maintain the double extortion did actually happen. It was a farcical suggestion before the drug dealer text exchange surfaced, now it would be ludicrous of him to suggest he was actually extorted.

So if Fluford gets him on the stand to state that, it will just make DA look more complicit.

 

[Luna20]

Maybe they to planned use an extortion defense but changed course when the script was ruled admissible. Now they are just going with reasonable doubt with no alternative (extortion) story. JMO.

Charlie tried that

 

[Luna20]

Absolutely. I felt bad for both inmates, but I think everyone particularly felt bad for the second one. She is clearly an intelligent woman and probably capable of doing so much if she did not have that problem. I am sure she came off completely sympathetic to that jury, particularly knowing her struggles to stay clean and that wicked witch trying to entice her feeding her addiction. You can bet that there were at least several people on the jury who, whether it was from their own struggles or knew someone who struggled, and probably despise her even more.

It was awful of Donna to offer her what is poison to her. She doesn’t care if she dies from an overdose or commits suicide while trying to crawl out of the black hole she has been in.

This should make an impact on the jury. She killed before to get what she wanted and she repeated an indirect attempt with her jail mate. This speaks to her motive and intent. She goes to great lengths (murder plot) to get what she wants.

It’s disgusting to see her manipulation of people, including her children. She is dangerous and a threat to society.

 

[clearskies1]

Charlie tried that

I know. Looks like Donna was heading down that route with that script even though it was a loser for Charlie. Apparently not a lot of defense options. JMO.

 

[Knitpicker]

@GoingRogue where have you been?

 

[rescuemom]

I’m talking about Donna And Harvey.

They raised her. IMO, those kids were 'projects.' Look see what we have done???? CA surrounded himself with a lower class of people to make himself look better. WA found herself inferior to DM and needed the comfort of her world as she knew it.