FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #27

[Niner]

Niner’s the best. I thought she/he was on vacation.

Niner is travelling / vacationing... She will probably pop in !!

Yes - correct I am on vacation! But - since I keep all these cases - I do need to update you all on when the hearings & trials are! I shall be popping in here during my vacation!
And @Teche - I am a "she".

 

[turaj]

I can’t believe Wendi has a significant other knowing what her family has done. Wouldn’t you want to run?

yes you really have to wonder about this "partner" "so" that seems to have been around for all of this and is now moving yet again to Colorado. And both boys changing schools so often,

 

[Queen of the Winter Night]

Still can't get my head around a professor being murdered because he wanted to have his children 50/50 custody and for them to remain in the town they had been born and raised in.....

And I say this as someone who many times in my 30s would have left my husband if location had not been a consideration .....he wanted to raise our son in scotland and my family is in england ...I did not have the courage to divorce with all my family the same 400 kms away ....would have done it if they had been here or we had been there ....I lived with my choices accepting life is compromise, and somedays I am glad I stayed in the marriage, somedays not so much but.....

Hiring a hitman just cos a marriage is crumbling or crumbled - over custody and location ?

How does one make that leap ? and think it is justifiable ? an educated person at that with logical reasoning skills and moral comprehension.

How does one live with that even if had not been caught by LE ?

This case is absolutely fascinating with it's human (or lack thereof) side as many others have pointed out

Truly one of the most senseless murders of an adult that I can think of in recent times. Petty and hateful. Charlie and Donna are right where they should be. The silver lining is that justice so far is prevailing in this situation. May it continue to do so....

 

[Knitpicker]

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It didn’t say “rest a few weeks and then make decisions”

It says “Make decisions in the coming weeks”

 

[turaj]

All MOO IMO:

Letting WA dangle for a bit also increases the likelihood that she will slip up and do something else that can indicate consciousness of guilt. It also gives her a bit of time to figure out who will care for her children. Would the State attorneys give her attorneys (not sure who they are, but I'm 100% sure she's got representation) a heads up at some point? Even if she is ultimately convicted for crimes she is charged with, her life would be turned upside down (not sure why your spouse being brutally murdered; correction: having your spouse brutally murdered wouldn't be something that would make it impossible to function day-to-day already, but having no conscience seems to be a common Adelson trait...).

Also, she might be the toughest one to get a conviction for; however, but for DM's connection to WA, I think we can say with 99.9% certainty, he would not have been murdered. MURDERED. I just don't they the Adelsons are grocking that they MURDERED somebody; and that normal people in our society aren't down with MURDERING someone. But for his relationship with WA has to amount to a conviction somehow. Her hands are not clean.

IMO MOO

one piece of evidence that neither side seems to be able to dispute is that Wendi accepted that relocation was not going to happen but that it was Donna that kept the battle going. I do think Murder 1 is the way to go with her if you read all the things that go into it but she might be lucky and get a lesser. I agree Donna was the kingpin here...Charlie would have continued with his playboy lifestyle, Harvey could care less but DONNA kept them all marching to her drummer. I think she is the most evil of all of them.

 

[opt]

Can't wait for the continuation of this saga.

Stay tuned.

 

[shotgun09]

one piece of evidence that neither side seems to be able to dispute is that Wendi accepted that relocation was not going to happen but that it was Donna that kept the battle going. I do think Murder 1 is the way to go with her if you read all the things that go into it but she might be lucky and get a lesser. I agree Donna was the kingpin here...Charlie would have continued with his playboy lifestyle, Harvey could care less but DONNA kept them all marching to her drummer. I think she is the most evil of all of them.

I agree with you, up to the point that Wendi ' accepted' the relocation. It is MOO, that Wendi not only didn't accept it, she purposely manipulated all in her family...including her kingpin mother...to continue coddling, protecting and moving in the direction that Wendi wanted. This princess had perfected the poor, pitiful, help me, I'm incapable of doing it myself persona all her life. She knew just what to do. She had been doing it most of her life. See DA's " You can act" text/email.

 

[Ferpo]

It didn’t say “rest a few weeks and then make decisions”

It says “Make decisions in the coming weeks”

Yes, you are interpreting my paraphrasing as though rest + decision making are two purely sequential activities. I agree that there is overlap t but maybe you'll agree that the next week or two is mostly front-loaded with time off, rest, etc.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yes, you are interpreting my paraphrasing as though rest + decision making are two purely sequential activities. I agree that there is overlap t but maybe you'll agree that the next week or two is mostly front-loaded with time off, rest, etc.

Yes I agree that something can happen before the “few weeks” and I’m hopeful it will be sooner than later.

 

[Knitpicker]

All MOO IMO:

Letting WA dangle for a bit also increases the likelihood that she will slip up and do something else that can indicate consciousness of guilt. It also gives her a bit of time to figure out who will care for her children. Would the State attorneys give her attorneys (not sure who they are, but I'm 100% sure she's got representation) a heads up at some point? Even if she is ultimately convicted for crimes she is charged with, her life would be turned upside down (not sure why your spouse being brutally murdered; correction: having your spouse brutally murdered wouldn't be something that would make it impossible to function day-to-day already, but having no conscience seems to be a common Adelson trait...).

Also, she might be the toughest one to get a conviction for; however, but for DM's connection to WA, I think we can say with 99.9% certainty, he would not have been murdered. MURDERED. I just don't they the Adelsons are grocking that they MURDERED somebody; and that normal people in our society aren't down with MURDERING someone. But for his relationship with WA has to amount to a conviction somehow. Her hands are not clean.

IMO MOO

Some podcaster attorneys suggested that her attorney last week asking for a transcript of her testimony meant he was given a a heads up-maybe already given to the Grand jury at last meeting.

 

[IQuestion]

Donna's theatrics were over the top. She can't just sit there and listen to the proceedings. She has to emote, shake her head in denial and of course has to look like the victim. Whether it is an enate ability to turn on the victimization, learned in childhood or she rehearsed acting techniques with her daughter...pretty impressive.
This is how the "shake/shiver" is done. Her side-eye to the camera and head throw back showed total manipulation. Is the camera on me? Even her attorneys would not look at her after the first few minutes.)

When portraying shivering, moving your foot up and down is an effective technique, especially if you are seated. To make the action look natural and involuntary, combine it with other physical and mental adjustments.
Seated shivering technique
This method creates a shaking motion that appears difficult to control.

1. Place your foot: Rest the ball of one foot on the floor while keeping your heel lifted.
2. Bounce your heel: Rapidly and subtly bounce your heel up and down. This sends a tremor-like shake through your leg.
3. Hunch your posture: Combine the foot movement with hunched shoulders and an overall tightening of your body. This adds to the illusion that the shivers are affecting your entire body, not just your leg.

 

[ch_13]

I agree with you, up to the point that Wendi ' accepted' the relocation. It is MOO, that Wendi not only didn't accept it, she purposely manipulated all in her family...including her kingpin mother...to continue coddling, protecting and moving in the direction that Wendi wanted. This princess had perfected the poor, pitiful, help me, I'm incapable of doing it myself persona all her life. She knew just what to do. She had been doing it most of her life. See DA's " You can act" text/email.

I think there may have been a brief period of time when Wendi was ready to give up fighting with Dan and settle in Tallahassee permanently. She was about to buy a house there in, I believe, the autumn of 2013.

But then her mom and brother talked her out of it. What did they say to her? Could that be when the idea of the assassination first came up? Donna's attorneys made the claim that in the end the divorce wasn't contentious and Wendi stipulated to the relocation motion being denied with prejudice. I think by then the Adelson's didn't care about that, because they knew that if they lost that motion, there was a plan B ready to go.

Certainly by the time Dan was killed, Wendi was no longer "accepting" that she would remain in Tallahassee. Within two days she was permanently back in Miami enrolling her kids in their new schools. Whether or not she was all packed up before Dan's murder, she was clearly mentally ready to bolt ASAP.

 

[ShadyLady]

I think there may have been a brief period of time when Wendi was ready to give up fighting with Dan and settle in Tallahassee permanently. She was about to buy a house there in, I believe, the autumn of 2013.

But then her mom and brother talked her out of it. What did they say to her? Could that be when the idea of the assassination first came up? Donna's attorneys made the claim that in the end the divorce wasn't contentious and Wendi stipulated to the relocation motion being denied with prejudice. I think by then the Adelson's didn't care about that, because they knew that if they lost that motion, there was a plan B ready to go.

Certainly by the time Dan was killed, Wendi was no longer "accepting" that she would remain in Tallahassee. Within two days she was permanently back in Miami enrolling her kids in their new schools. Whether or not she was all packed up before Dan's murder, she was clearly mentally ready to bolt ASAP.

I thought Jeff in the LE interview said the first time he heard about Charlie's plan was the previous year. Then she brought it up again.

I think WA gave up final fight with Dan because she knew second plan was in place. And it would give her:

Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge or responsibility for actions committed by or on behalf of members of their organizational hierarchy. They may do so because of a lack of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions.

Plausible deniability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kaen]

I don't think that Wendi was talked out of buying the house. I think that the "talked out of" was the beginning of the conspiracy to kill Dan Markel. If she bought the house she would be saddled with selling it. She met and began dating LaCasse in November probably on purpose-- he does not appear to be her or the families type but makes a really good stooge.

 

[CLGM]

Have we talked about the description of WA in Amazon for her book? A contortionist??

Amazon.com

 

[turaj]

I agree with you, up to the point that Wendi ' accepted' the relocation. It is MOO, that Wendi not only didn't accept it, she purposely manipulated all in her family...including her kingpin mother...to continue coddling, protecting and moving in the direction that Wendi wanted. This princess had perfected the poor, pitiful, help me, I'm incapable of doing it myself persona all her life. She knew just what to do. She had been doing it most of her life. See DA's " You can act" text/email.

Donna's theatrics were over the top. She can't just sit there and listen to the proceedings. She has to emote, shake her head in denial and of course has to look like the victim. Whether it is an enate ability to turn on the victimization, learned in childhood or she rehearsed acting techniques with her daughter...pretty impressive.
This is how the "shake/shiver" is done. Her side-eye to the camera and head throw back showed total manipulation. Is the camera on me? Even her attorneys would not look at her after the first few minutes.)

When portraying shivering, moving your foot up and down is an effective technique, especially if you are seated. To make the action look natural and involuntary, combine it with other physical and mental adjustments.
Seated shivering technique
This method creates a shaking motion that appears difficult to control.

1. Place your foot: Rest the ball of one foot on the floor while keeping your heel lifted.
2. Bounce your heel: Rapidly and subtly bounce your heel up and down. This sends a tremor-like shake through your leg.
3. Hunch your posture: Combine the foot movement with hunched shoulders and an overall tightening of your body. This adds to the illusion that the shivers are affecting your entire body, not just your leg.

shaking her head during vicim impact statements was so disgusting.

 

[ch_13]

I thought Jeff in the LE interview said the first time he heard about Charlie's plan was the previous year. Then she brought it up again.

Jeff and Wendi started dating in the fall of 2013, I believe. So right around that same time.

 

[loreet]

Luis Rivera had a child born with a heart defect weeks before the murder.

Thank you for this information. Justice in this case has been moved forward in no small part by Luis Rivera and his testimony. The only real indications I have heard about his family/children have come from his mention of his ‘Baby Mama’ in his testimony and Phil Markel’s reference in his impact statement. I have been impressed by LR’s honesty on the stand. It could not have been easy for him to testify against his close childhood friend SG. I hope that he is receiving educational opportunities in prison.

 

[loreet]

The juror foreperson it seems couldn’t wait to get on TikTok to talk about her experience in DA’s trial. She even indicated she might have to do another video about it. Encouraged everyone to send any questions they may have re jury deliberation. Unreal!!

It appears their minds were already made up prior to deliberation.

Check out this article from Tallahassee Democrat:

Juror tells all: Jury foreperson in Donna Adelson's trial speaks out after conviction

Juror tells all: Jury foreperson in Donna Adelson's trial speaks out after conviction

Jacey Maxson-Walker, the jury foreperson for Donna Adelson's murder trial, shares insight from her jury experience.

www.tallahassee.com

It is not that unusual for jurors to have individually made up their minds about a defendant’s guilt or innocence before deliberations. They have heard all of the evidence and seen all the testimony. This doesn’t mean they were talking to one another prior to being given the case for deliberation nor breaking any of the rules the judge has given and the courts have set forth.

 

[turaj]

It is not that unusual for jurors to have individually made up their minds about a defendant’s guilt or innocence before deliberations. They have heard all of the evidence and seen all the testimony. This doesn’t mean they were talking to one another prior to being given the case for deliberation nor breaking any of the rules the judge has given and the courts have set forth.

she posted on more and now says she is done.
As for making up your mind as the case goes on prior to going to
deliberation room...of course that will happen and if all are in
agreement...easy verdict. But if not have to be willing to hear other
opinions.