FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Wishbone]

I think her planning and plotting predates that text you referenced…. I believe Wendi became a contortionist as a young teen because she was planning on using those skills to twist and bend herself out of this mess

In previous documents and testimonies both JL and DM described WA as a habitual liar.

 

[ch_13]

Blame the delay on Willie Meggs who was Georgia's boss. Presumably he feared losing in court more than he wanted justice for Dan.

A lot of people blame Meggs, and some even claim that he was in the pocket of the Adelsons.

But I'm not so sure. Most of the evidence we know of today didn't exist back then. I believe Meggs first offered immunity to Katie, but she refused it for some unfathomable reason. The bump also occurred under his watch.

Meggs retired in December 2016, and many of the big turning points in the case occurred after he was out of office. Like the FBI doing an "enhanced" version of the Dolce Vita tape. Before that it wasn't clear what Charlie said at the restaurant. Or getting the conviction against Katie and having her agree to testify in Charlie's trial. Or getting Charlie's ex-friend Ryan to flip. I believe it was those two who told the investigators about the now infamous stapled money, a detail that was previously unknown.

I dare say that if they had tried to prosecute Charlie Adelson back in 2016 with the evidence they had back then, it would have been a weak case and he would very possibly be a free man today.

 

[Zedzded]

Her cross of Charlie was pretty tepid as well. I feel that she didn't put Charlie in his place enough. She answered his questions and got defensive at times. A curt, one-time "I ask the questions not you" was all that was needed to remind him that he's not the maestro anymore. I think the cool, calm, and collected demeanor is nothing more than haughtiness.

I see your point. I did feel like she let CA off the hook a lot of the time. If you watch KM's lawyer hammer WA (De Coste?) it's a stark contrast. But then perhaps GC felt like she didn't need to? Who knows. I do think she was very good in the opening for DA's trial. She spoke well, connected with the jury, broke it down very simply and to a large extent removed emotion from her statement.

I think if WA is charged I'd like to see a different approach from GC. i.e go for the jugular. GC has gone very, very easy on WA, but I put that down to strategy, she'd biding her time. She essentially had WA on the stand lying to her and she never called her out on those lies. It has to be strategy!

 

[Going Rogue]

A lot of people blame Meggs, and some even claim that he was in the pocket of the Adelsons.

But I'm not so sure. Most of the evidence we know of today didn't exist back then. I believe Meggs first offered immunity to Katie, but she refused it for some unfathomable reason. The bump also occurred under his watch.

Meggs retired in December 2016, and many of the big turning points in the case occurred after he was out of office. Like the FBI doing an "enhanced" version of the Dolce Vita tape. Before that it wasn't clear what Charlie said at the restaurant. Or getting the conviction against Katie and having her agree to testify in Charlie's trial. Or getting Charlie's ex-friend Ryan to flip. I believe it was those two who told the investigators about the now infamous stapled money, a detail that was previously unknown.

I dare say that if they had tried to prosecute Charlie Adelson back in 2016 with the evidence they had back then, it would have been a weak case and he would very possibly be a free man today.

Little known facts and my objective opinion. Cappleman put together Charlie’s 2016 arrest affidavit. What was the difference between his 2016 affidavit and the 2022 affidavit (that Wendi didn’t read)? Answer – VERY LITTLE. The ‘enhanced’ Dolce Vita recording was used as the EXCUSE to justify Charlie's arrest in 2022. After Charlie’s arrest, Cappleman has a quasi press conference. In this press conference Cappleman said she thought they had enough on him in 2016 and made it a point to say the enhanced Dolce Vita recording is better BUT if you listened you can make out what they were saying in the original. She made it VERY clear that she though he should have been arrested in 2016. There is VERY good reason to believe and to support the long standing narrative that there were political reasons based on relationships that the Adelson’s dodged accountability for so long.

 

[Going Rogue]

In previous documents and testimonies both JL and DM described WA as a habitual liar.

I think it’s a well supported claim. IMO, Donna, Charlie and Wendi all share that trait. All three of them appear to be deceitful have a complete lack empathy and to them lying is a way of life.

 

[Weki]

Remember when Georgia was asking Pat Sanford what his opinion was on when the Adelsons should’ve been arrested? It was objected to by defense and sustained. But it was clear Sanford thought Donna should’ve been arrested much earlier. I think Charlie and Donna could’ve been tried together. I don’t think it was political influence that kept the Adelsons from being arrested sooner. I wouldn’t fault TPD and Sanford for feeling like these delays were unnecessary. They worked their behinds off and the Adelsons enjoyed freedom for far too long.

And now Jack Campbell thinks his prosecutors are overworked by this case. Smh. He seems to be signaling Wendi’s arrest is not a forgone conclusion but that’s just me reading the tea leaves. I never thought they would arrest Wendi but Georgia certainly left the door open at the presser.

JMO

 

[Going Rogue]

Remember when Georgia was asking Pat Sanford what his opinion was on when the Adelsons should’ve been arrested? It was objected to by defense and sustained. But it was clear Sanford thought Donna should’ve been arrested much earlier. I think Charlie and Donna could’ve been tried together. I don’t think it was political influence that kept the Adelsons from being arrested sooner. I wouldn’t fault TPD and Sanford for feeling like these delays were unnecessary. They worked their behinds off and the Adelsons enjoyed freedom for far too long.

And now Jack Campbell thinks his prosecutors are overworked by this case. Smh. He seems to be signaling Wendi’s arrest is not a forgone conclusion but that’s just me reading the tea leaves. I never thought they would arrest Wendi but Georgia certainly left the door open at the presser.

JMO

I’m probably in the minority, but nothing I heard in Donna’s post-conviction press conference gives me any reassurance that they are planning to arrest Wendi anytime soon. Cappleman was clearly trying to avoid Wendi-related questions. After deflecting a few, someone asked, “Should we stay tuned?” Cappleman, clearly aware of the “stay tuned” reference, seemed to feel backed into a corner and responded playfully (in a very non-committal way), “I mean, you can stay tuned.” That phrase had clear meaning in Charlie’s post-conviction press conference, but I didn’t get the same vibe from Donna’s. Additionally, Jack Campbell’s public statements about his team “resting” for a few weeks doesn’t give me much confidence that they’re moving in on Wendi. I don’t expect them to telegraph a Wendi indictment, but I didn’t feel the same vibe others felt after the presser. Time will tell.

 

[Zedzded]

I’m probably in the minority, but nothing I heard in Donna’s post-conviction press conference gives me any reassurance that they are planning to arrest Wendi anytime soon. Cappleman was clearly trying to avoid Wendi-related questions. After deflecting a few, someone asked, “Should we stay tuned?” Cappleman, clearly aware of the “stay tuned” reference, seemed to feel backed into a corner and responded playfully (in a very non-committal way), “I mean, you can stay tuned.” That phrase had clear meaning in Charlie’s post-conviction press conference, but I didn’t get the same vibe from Donna’s. Additionally, Jack Campbell’s public statements about his team “resting” for a few weeks doesn’t give me much confidence that they’re moving in on Wendi. I don’t expect them to telegraph a Wendi indictment, but I didn’t feel the same vibe others felt after the presser. Time will tell.

"I mean, you can stay tuned"

It's a seemingly casual and flippant comment that could be easily dismissed. But GC would understand the significance of that statement and it would be insensitive of her to infer there would be more arrests when there aren't.

 

[Knitpicker]

I was just coming here to post this.

STS posted something saying that Magbanua has been transferred back to the Leon County Jail and a real journalist had to come out with the facts. STS has fully stepped into their speculation and fake news era. Without this case, STS knows their views are going to dwindle fast. How many "Will Wendi be arrested" slop content will we get from STS in the next several weeks, I wonder?

Jack Campbell in that clip is saying his prosecutors are exahusted to the point that he's concerned for their well-being. Well, sir, it was y'alls decision to try these cases one by one. Had you tried the Adelsons all at once, it would require less effort/resources. Lets not forget the Markels have been traveling back and forth from Canada for all these trials. I'm sure they're exhausted by having to dredge up this horrific event in their lives every 2-3 years let alone the exhaustion and expense of travel. Just sayin'

Edited to add: Also, I'm sorry but didn't Georgia just tell us there are other cases besdies this one? Isn't that what these prosecutors do? Go to trial? If they are so exhausted after trying an 8 day case then how can they possibly function trying all these other criminal cases???

JMO

Charlie is still In Tallahassee. I’d think he would have been back “home” by now.

 

[Luna20]

CTv just said that Katie is in Tallahassee, she is needed as a witness. Grand jury is meeting this week.

 

[Gators North]

What about Harvey? Anyone think that he’ll be next?

 

[Weki]

I’m probably in the minority, but nothing I heard in Donna’s post-conviction press conference gives me any reassurance that they are planning to arrest Wendi anytime soon. Cappleman was clearly trying to avoid Wendi-related questions. After deflecting a few, someone asked, “Should we stay tuned?” Cappleman, clearly aware of the “stay tuned” reference, seemed to feel backed into a corner and responded playfully (in a very non-committal way), “I mean, you can stay tuned.” That phrase had clear meaning in Charlie’s post-conviction press conference, but I didn’t get the same vibe from Donna’s. Additionally, Jack Campbell’s public statements about his team “resting” for a few weeks doesn’t give me much confidence that they’re moving in on Wendi. I don’t expect them to telegraph a Wendi indictment, but I didn’t feel the same vibe others felt after the presser. Time will tell.

I agree, Georgia was cornered at the presser. What could she say? The DA’s office has to be aware of the persistent drum beat against Wendi. It wasn’t the time to announce either way. Georgia got out of it as smoothly as she could. I think Jack may have felt the need to make a statement now to lower expectations.

And now we can expect 101 lives from STS about Wendi’s imminent arrest. Ugh.

 

[Knitpicker]

Little known facts and my objective opinion. Cappleman put together Charlie’s 2016 arrest affidavit. What was the difference between his 2016 affidavit and the 2022 affidavit (that Wendi didn’t read)? Answer – VERY LITTLE. The ‘enhanced’ Dolce Vita recording was used as the EXCUSE to justify Charlie's arrest in 2022. After Charlie’s arrest, Cappleman has a quasi press conference. In this press conference Cappleman said she thought they had enough on him in 2016 and made it a point to say the enhanced Dolce Vita recording is better BUT if you listened you can make out what they were saying in the original. She made it VERY clear that she though he should have been arrested in 2016. There is VERY good reason to believe and to support the long standing narrative that there were political reasons based on relationships that the Adelson’s dodged accountability for so long.

Wasn’t it Hankinson that would not allow the jury to have the transcribed Dolce Vita tapes?

 

[Going Rogue]

"I mean, you can stay tuned"

It's a seemingly casual and flippant comment that could be easily dismissed. But GC would understand the significance of that statement and it would be insensitive of her to infer there would be more arrests when there aren't.

I’m basing my opinion on the way the press conference progressed and I outlined why I didn’t get the same vibe others got – others may view it differently. If they had no immediate plans to arrest Wendi, there is NO WAY that would have said that in this press conference. If there are no immediate plans to move in on Wendi, I would expect Capleman to react just as she did – avoid any Wendi questions (she clearly tried that) and focus on the Donna’s conviction. Her direct quote "I mean, you can stay tuned", IMO was a forced response.

 

[Going Rogue]

Wasn’t it Hankinson that would not allow the jury to have the transcribed Dolce Vita tapes?

No, it was Judge Wheeler. The enhanced tape was presented after the first trial. Judge Hankinson only presided over the first trial.

 

[Zedzded]

Her direct quote "I mean, you can stay tuned", IMO was a forced response.

Sorry, but IMO that is confirmation bias. That would be hugely insensitive and almost unprofessional of her to allow people to think that arrests were a likelihood.

Irrespectively we can draw on her previous comment "stay tuned" post CA's trial. That was an innocuous comment that could have easily been dismissed, but IMO it was intentional and had much greater significance that it seemed. IMO this prompted HA and DA to flee or at least contributed to their fear they would be arrested. And that flee attempt was of critical importance in DAs trial.

So I think "I guess you can stay tuned" is likewise of significant importance.

 

[Luna20]

When Katie was asked why she should be believed this time around she said because the real killers need to be prosecuted (paraphrasing). I took that to mean it was Donna and Wendi’s idea and they looked to Charlie to arrange it. I’m curious how she views Harvey.

 

[Weki]

I never believed the state had enough to go after Wendi.

I do feel that many of these podcasters have warped people’s perspectives on Wendi’s culpability and potential criminal liability. Dave Aronberg came out on STS after the verdict and said Wendi would be indicted within 60 days. These podcasters and their guests have been reckless as we’ve seen lately. The desperation for clicks is real.

“I guess you can stay tuned” is basically “leave me the heck alone” lol

JMO

 

[Going Rogue]

Sorry, but IMO that is confirmation bias. That would be hugely insensitive and almost unprofessional of her to allow people to think that arrests were a likelihood.

Irrespectively we can draw on her previous comment "stay tuned" post CA's trial. That was an innocuous comment that could have easily been dismissed, but IMO it was intentional and had much greater significance that it seemed. IMO this prompted HA and DA to flee or at least contributed to their fear they would be arrested. And that flee attempt was of critical importance in DAs trial.

So I think "I guess you can stay tuned" is likewise of significant importance.

“That would be hugely insensitive and almost unprofessional of her to allow people to think that arrests were a likelihood.”

That is not my interpretation of what she meant, I don’t think she was trying to hint that arrests were a likelihood. Yes, I agree that’s how many are interpreting it. I believe she was trying to carefully control and steer the conversation away from the inevitable “when are you arresting Wendi” type questions. In my opinion, she was pressed to give some type of response after deflecting a few questions on Wendi that she clearly didn’t want to answer. Sometimes when you are thinking and responding on the fly in that type of situation, and you are avoiding a certain topic, it easy to attempt to be ambiguous and give a little too much. Just enough that people can read into it in away that fits their beliefs. Maybe you are correct it’s confirmation bias

 

[Going Rogue]

I never believed the state had enough to go after Wendi.

I do feel that many of these podcasters have warped people’s perspectives on Wendi’s culpability and potential criminal liability. Dave Aronberg came out on STS after the verdict and said Wendi would be indicted within 60 days. These podcasters and their guests have been reckless as we’ve seen lately. The desperation for clicks is real.

“I guess you can stay tuned” is basically “leave me the heck alone” lol

JMO

I’ve been saying the same thing for a very LONG time regarding the case against her and how certain YouTubers have created this confidence and belief in social media that the case against Wendi is so incredibly strong. I agree that many ‘creators’ with YouTube channels are bordering irresponsible and ‘most’ of the coverage is so biased its frustrating to watch IF you are seeking objective coverage. At this stage I’m hoping Wendi is arrested soon and faces a speedy trial so we can see how this plays out. I think many will be surprised at how certain KEY witnesses that testified in the previous trials might not hit the mark in a Wendi trial. Just a prediction.