FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

  • #621
The incident of the two guys being spotted behind Dan’s home was actually written in one of the arrest affidavits – I’m almost certain it was Sigfredos. It was later determined that the two guys were not Sigfredo and Rivera and it was unrelated to Dan’s murder. Yes, all sorts of theories were tossed around based on that claim like Wendi hide a key, a garage door remote, the keycode to the garage door, and a bag of money etc. We can write a book on false theories that have resulted from this tragedy :) Not even going to crack a joke about the latest theory involving two trips :) LOL
Glad you are able to control your urges. Thats a good start. :) It will all come out in the wash very soon.
 
  • #622
Glad you are able to control your urges. Thats a good start. :) It will all come out in the wash very soon.

It's more believable than the theory Wendi hid a gun behind Dan’s fence – and I’m not making that up, its was a theory.

I do think the two trip theory, although possible, is unlikely. The problem I have with the theory is that it’s simply based on a 45-minute slot or gap where there was no activity (no text / no call) in her cell phone call detail report. In her police interview she discussed the ‘activity’ she was doing for work right before she left for lunch. They imaged her PC so they have all the ‘event viewer’ logs (that are timestamped) and they can easily disprove this theory – but I will ‘stay tuned’ to see if your theory comes to fruition.

For the record, I’m not saying it 100% false, I’m just that I think its unlikely – so no offense
 
  • #623
It's more believable than the theory Wendi hid a gun behind Dan’s fence – and I’m not making that up, its was a theory.

I do think the two trip theory, although possible, is unlikely. The problem I have with the theory is that it’s simply based on a 45-minute slot or gap where there was no activity (no text / no call) in her cell phone call detail report. In her police interview she discussed the ‘activity’ she was doing for work right before she left for lunch. They imaged her PC so they have all the ‘event viewer’ logs (that are timestamped) and they can easily disprove this theory – but I will ‘stay tuned’ to see if your theory comes to fruition.

For the record, I’m not saying it 100% false, I’m just that I think its unlikely – so no offense
Yes we have to wait for the computer info. She was sending papers to a librarian for citations and such.
I’m not easily offended :)
 
  • #624
I watched Court TV today and was very disappointed by the female lawyers' opinion that Jeff cannot be trusted because he is an ex. Stupid logic.
 
  • #625
Agreed that there is too much click bait in general in media and social media...but I have gone from not enough (your camp) to there is enough over the course of this trial. More has come out and Wendi has continued to lie her way around the facts including the day of the shooting. Certainly from what we have seen it is not the slam dunk that Donna and Charlie's cases were, but (1) I think there is more to be revealed, (2) I think her behavior and decision making in the years since her family started getting arrested has been telling. And I don't believe that a jury will buy the line that her attorney told her not to discuss the case with her family as reason for why she has always shut out the Markels and walked a tight rope with her family that reeks IMO of consciousness of guilt. She supports the murderers as much as possible except where it crosses any line into possibly getting herself in trouble. The only boundaries she has are self preservation. She loves her mother so much but cuts her out of taped communications...still willing to help at trial as long as it does not implicate herself. None of it adds up unless she was complicit and coldly self preserving.

I try to imagine how someone actually innocent would have been acting and what they would be saying. Or in her case, not saying. To me, her police "interrogation" as she likes to put it (and no one else would who has seen it) did not ring true. I found her emotional reactions staged. She served up anyone but kept repeatedly being focused on herself as a suspect. She zoomed past denial and bargaining in grief - no questions about what could be done for her ex. Just over the top crying and covering her face. Which is it - are you that horrified and care so much? The words don't back up the show of emotion.

But also she has been so coldly and strictly strategic in how she has handled relations with her family. It is clear her mother and brother are guilty - but other than refusing to discuss the case with them or get caught on taped conversations, she still aligns with them. She does not align with her brother who found the lack of concern from the family shocking and disturbing, as anyone innocent would.

My goodness, she has only reached out to the Markels after years of coldly denying them all contact in order to help her family's defense (which would include her own, don't doubt it) - not because she feels at all badly ( as any INNOCENT person would) that it has become clear her family was behind this. I don't see that she is horrified for what has been done to them.

She erased that man from her life to the point of changing her son's middle name! Yet there is zero evidence of abuse. No real reason for the level of animosity following the murder. The hatred should have dissipated. Instead, she writes in her creative writing class about what a burden her ex's murder has been on her ability to thrive with commencement speech opportunities and such in the immediate years following, and she ends her piece noting she can't complain about it because she is the one still alive. I found the lack of empathy throughout both writings shockingly tone deaf.

It is a million little things - but they all line up with guilt and not innocence to me. Right down to overreacting for years and years to Markel's email regarding foster care. She continues to purposely misconstrue the clear and understandable true intentions behind that email to fit her desire to cut them out of her sons' lives. That alone spoke volumes to me.

It is all more complex to prove, but given Donna's trial was a slam dunk, I have faith in the prosecution that they have enough for this one. Not one jury lately has seemed to think poor Wendi was the innocent. As I said before, I think Donna and Charlie were busy playing a loud game of checkers while Wendi allowed her family to think she was helpless and hapless so they would do all the dirty work. Her game was silent and a master game of chess. But she can't nail the right emotional reactions because she lacks empathy and actual innocence - so she can lose this game just as they did.

She has other things in common with the convicted murderers in her family. She feels the need to never concede one point...right down to the name Jibbers - which clearly was neither silly nor something she needed not to feel "scared" of her ex. It was mean and she won't cop to it. She lacks credibility and is tone deaf because she can't fake it. I hope she opts to testify in her own defense. She will have the best people - so that remains to be seen.

Wendi, as Katie's attorney pointed out during one of her trials, has never cared nor wanted to help find the killer. Never felt an ounce of empathy for her ex inlaws who truly did nothing to deserve her ire. Not one week later when she refused any additional interviews with LE nor years later when it became clear her own family was involved. Rob is the only good and decent human being in the bunch. His innocence is unequivocal for a reason. And it is easy to believe.

You may claim all of this only makes Wendi out to be a selfish person but not a murderer...but I think when combined with evidence - such as driving up to the crime scene tape and later repeatedly lying about that (though that testimony likely cannot be used against her), the calls with her mother and brother the morning of, the unnerving interest in her ex boyfriend's travel plans, and on and on - it adds up to just one thing. At some point she has known and could have stopped it. At the very least, she helped cover it up. But I think she knew from the beginning and set Donna in motion purposefully. Isn't it amazing that Wendi ended up set for life with assets she didn't earn, got her parents to raise her sons while she worked and traveled until she no longer needed them, loves the family that murdered her sons' father, but yet has somehow conveniently made sure to never be recorded discussing anything with any of them? In court, we saw the pain testifying caused Rob. Notice how we don't see the pain for Wendi. Wendi just keeps head tilting and parting her lips in an O to play the role she was born to play and win.
You nailed it so eloquently! And let's not forget CA and DA's recorded conversation where CA says "she just couldn't help herself" driving by the crime scene. That alone and her lack of concern for her children/DM seeing crime scene tape at her former home speaks VOLUMES.
 
  • #626
Well Ruth has said the boys were doing well and were excelling in school. She seemed to believe they haven’t been affected as the general public thinks.

Ruth —according to her victims advocate speech-(maybe listen to it again) said she believed it was Donna who drove a wedge between Her son and Wendi. That was interesting to hear.

I think that the boys excelling in academics is a good sign that they are being protected from the Adelson “curse”. There is protection from above when people pray. And their dad may have a closer connection to that. :)
They have not been protected trust me...I have a close friend who knows a family whose son went to school with the boys. The reality is is not complimentary. I hate typing that because the boys are victims.
 
  • #627
They have not been protected trust me...I have a close friend who knows a family whose son went to school with the boys. The reality is is not complimentary. I hate typing that because the boys are victims.
People believe in a fairy tale with a happy ending. When Wendi is arrested, the children will run to the Markel family with open arms. That will never happen, they are brainwashed, the Markel family is their enemy.
 
  • #628
You nailed it so eloquently! And let's not forget CA and DA's recorded conversation where CA says "she just couldn't help herself" driving by the crime scene. That alone and her lack of concern for her children/DM seeing crime scene tape at her former home speaks VOLUMES.

In the jailhouse call where Charlie is obsessing over how he was railroaded and falsely convicted, when he said Wendi just couldn’t help herself, he was mimicking what Cappleman said – it wasn’t that he was expressing his own thoughts that she couldn’t help herself. There was also another reference (not sure if was the same call) to Wendi being in the area of the crime scene on that day, where Charlie agreed her being in the area looked very suspicious. I’d have to listen to the second reference I’m mentioning again, because I’m not certain if that was him also him mimicking Cappleman or it was a thought going through his mind. I think my second reference was his own thought and he also chalked off to it being a coincidence? This is going off memory and I have no desire to relisten to any of those calls again to verify--they cause irreversible brain damage :)
 
  • #629
Interesting.

She'd lived in that area for 7 years+ and she liked a drink or two (twenty) so I'm sure she knew where her closest liquor stores were.

Nothing wrong with going to one that was further away. I do that with certain stores. But then lying about it and saying things like "I'm bad with directions...." really.. And you have an iphone with Google maps and she referred to herself as being "techsavy." How did she even navigate her way to Mozaik...
Yes, and Google Maps and other apps are going to prioritize by distance. That's how they work. They automatically give you the closest choices first- then the ones further away.
 
  • #630
The incident of the two guys being spotted behind Dan’s home was actually written in one of the arrest affidavits – I’m almost certain it was Sigfredos. It was later determined that the two guys were not Sigfredo and Rivera and it was unrelated to Dan’s murder.

I read that too hence the reason I dismissed it. But hearing WA the other day discuss the house alarm - boy that sounded so suspicious. It's probably her mannerisms, she goes in to all this detail about family friends being on alarm call lists and weather triggering alarms and stuff. Verbal diarrhea.

Be interesting to know if the alarm went off and why. There was no bad weather that week and if your alarm system was going off everytime the weather was crap you'd get fined by the alarm company, and you'd get some very, very p!ssed off neighbours.
 
  • #631
It's more believable than the theory Wendi hid a gun behind Dan’s fence – and I’m not making that up, its was a theory.

I do think the two trip theory, although possible, is unlikely.

They imaged her PC so they have all the ‘event viewer’ logs (that are timestamped) and they can easily disprove this theory – but I will ‘stay tuned’ to see if your theory comes to fruition.

Two trip theory makes logical sense. But yeah easy to disapprove. She says she was using her computer so easy to show that was on in after 12pm.

Two things - KM said something very important. When she phoned SG at 12.30pm and he told her Dan had been shot, she said "I know." Why has she never been asked about this very critical statement.

And why was DR going to great lengths to get Officer Brannon to admit WA was at the crime scene after 12.30pm? What difference does it make when she was there? His questioning of Brannon was a joke. Brannon repeatedly states he did not know when he saw WA. He said 1pm in DA's trial, then admitted it was between 12pm and 1pm. DR pushed him to agree it was after 12.30pm...
 
  • #632
In the jailhouse call where Charlie is obsessing over how he was railroaded and falsely convicted, when he said Wendi just couldn’t help herself, he was mimicking what Cappleman said

I did think during those calls he was dropping WA in it. "What are the chances of her driving past the crime scene shortly after Dan was shot 1 in 10'000??" And he discusses all these other coincidences, again seeming like he's incriminating WA. But listening again he actually is trying to say "no these are all actually coincidences and GC is wrong."
 
  • #633
People believe in a fairy tale with a happy ending. When Wendi is arrested, the children will run to the Markel family with open arms. That will never happen, they are brainwashed, the Markel family is their enemy.

I agree. The thing is, they are human. They don't want drama and pain and hurt. All the Markels and the State have done is inflict more and more pain on them. Perhaps back in 2016 they were settled in school. Mum was good, they hung out with their loving, doting grandparents and generous Uncle Charlie, life was good.

Now in 2025, they have lost their entire family and about to lose their Mum. They don't even remember their Dad. Perhaps they would prefer to have a mother rather than having their Dad's murder avenged? Like Philip Pilmar after his Mum and Uncle stabbed his dad to death - "can't we all just move on? My Mum is a nice lady. This is all in the past." He has no relationship with his paternal grandparents because they sought justice and helped convict his mother and Uncle.

And he's a freaking district attorney!
 
  • #634
KM said something very important. When she phoned SG at 12.30pm and he told her Dan had been shot, she said "I know." Why has she never been asked about this very critical statement.
My guess: the State knows the answer and is saving it.
 
  • #635
Two trip theory makes logical sense. But yeah easy to disapprove. She says she was using her computer so easy to show that was on in after 12pm.

Two things - KM said something very important. When she phoned SG at 12.30pm and he told her Dan had been shot, she said "I know." Why has she never been asked about this very critical statement.

And why was DR going to great lengths to get Officer Brannon to admit WA was at the crime scene after 12.30pm? What difference does it make when she was there? His questioning of Brannon was a joke. Brannon repeatedly states he did not know when he saw WA. He said 1pm in DA's trial, then admitted it was between 12pm and 1pm. DR pushed him to agree it was after 12.30pm...

I don’t know why Katie was never asked how she knew but at this point does it matter? In Charlie’s trial she said she thinks Donna washed the money because Charlie didn’t keep money at the house so she ‘thought’ the money came from Donna. In Donna’s trail she testified that Charlie told her Donna washed the money. She also said in Donna’s trial she didn’t know how much she got paid and never counted the money etc. Forget the mountain of lies before she was convicted. She is still lying and nothing she says can be believed. She has already testified she never communicated w/ Wendi other than the restaurant date and the beach day. What if she now says Wendi called he that AM and told her the job was done? I’m sure 95% of those that follow this case will say, I know she lies, but I believe her on that.

Re why Rashbaum made the point that Wendi arrived at the roadblock after 12:30pm - it was to establish that she couldn’t have possibly been the one to communicate the job was done based on the time the call from Sigfredo to Katie was placed. Turned out that detail wasn’t bought up at the trial by the prosecution, so it didn’t need to be argued by Rashbaum. Rashy was just lining up his ducks.
 
  • #636
I did think during those calls he was dropping WA in it. "What are the chances of her driving past the crime scene shortly after Dan was shot 1 in 10'000??" And he discusses all these other coincidences, again seeming like he's incriminating WA. But listening again he actually is trying to say "no these are all actually coincidences and GC is wrong."

That’s exactly how I interpreted how Charlie expressed it - that they were all actually coincidences and Capplerman is wrong. What we also need to consider is he knows the calls are being recorded – so everything he is saying is with the intent and purpose of throwing the investigators off OR his is trying to play 3d chess and say things that, in his mind, have the state second guessing their theory.
 
  • #637
Re why Rashbaum made the point that Wendi arrived at the roadblock after 12:30pm - it was to establish that she couldn’t have possibly been the one to communicate the job was done based on the time the call from Sigfredo to Katie was placed. Turned out that detail wasn’t bought up at the trial by the prosecution, so it didn’t need to be argued by Rashbaum. Rashy was just lining up his ducks.

Exactly. That's my point. DR knows Brannon has no idea when he say WA, but it's important for him to get him to say it was after 12.30pm. Anticipating a question from GC to KM "how did you know?" The $64'000 question. Kinda important don't you think?? Now KM has little credibility, but I would hope there is a phone call or text history that will reinforce her statement.

Was she the one that tried calling SG twice at 12.18pm?
Was there a call/text from WA to CA at a similar time?
Was there a call/text from CA to KM at a similar time?

Again circumstantial they could have been phoning about TV repairs again.. but imagine what the jury would think if GC details this hypothetical using phone evidence?

12.16 - WA calls CA
12.17 - CA calls KM
12.18 - KM calls SG

"It could be about anything" is not going to cut the mustard! The content of the calls is irrelevant (as we don't know). What is relevant is what SD described in DA's trial this "train of communication" between the parties. Always the same and is indicative of involvement. Again no smoking gun needed. The state don't need a recorded call from WA saying "Dan has been shot. I am very happy to be part of this conspiracy to kill Dan."
 
  • #638
I don’t know why Katie was never asked how she knew but at this point does it matter? .

This is hugely important.

All the conspirators were in Miami except SG, LR and WA. When SG spoke to KM, she said "she knew" Dan had been shot. She was in Miami. LR heard her say this, KM may confirm she said this. How did she know? There's only one person (other than the hitmen) who could have told her.

You don't see the significance in this? They weren't discussing a football game, this was a murder.
 
  • #639
Exactly. That's my point. DR knows Brannon has no idea when he say WA, but it's important for him to get him to say it was after 12.30pm. Anticipating a question from GC to KM "how did you know?" The $64'000 question. Kinda important don't you think?? Now KM has little credibility, but I would hope there is a phone call or text history that will reinforce her statement.

Was she the one that tried calling SG twice at 12.18pm?
Was there a call/text from WA to CA at a similar time?
Was there a call/text from CA to KM at a similar time?

Again circumstantial they could have been phoning about TV repairs again.. but imagine what the jury would think if GC details this hypothetical using phone evidence?

12.16 - WA calls CA
12.17 - CA calls KM
12.18 - KM calls SG

"It could be about anything" is not going to cut the mustard! The content of the calls is irrelevant (as we don't know). What is relevant is what SD described in DA's trial this "train of communication" between the parties. Always the same and is indicative of involvement. Again no smoking gun needed. The state don't need a recorded call from WA saying "Dan has been shot. I am very happy to be part of this conspiracy to kill Dan."

They have Wendi cell phone records – no such calls were made at the times in the hypothetical scenario you are pitching. If they had proof Wendi communicated via another means to Charlie or Katie – e.g. burner phone or some other encrypted app, she would have already been arrested.
 
  • #640
This is hugely important.

All the conspirators were in Miami except SG, LR and WA. When SG spoke to KM, she said "she knew" Dan had been shot. She was in Miami. LR heard her say this, KM may confirm she said this. How did she know? There's only one person (other than the hitmen) who could have told her.

You don't see the significance in this? They weren't discussing a football game, this was a murder.

This all hinges on Luis overhearing what Kaite said on the far end of a phone call that he wasn’t on… Did Rivera have this correct? He got MANY things wrong. Maybe Katie said “I know you’d come through”.. who knows? Facts are that Wendi’s timeline makes it impossible to have been at the roadblock to have been the one to report this back to S. FL. Unless you believe in the two trip theory. That theory exists because people want to believe so hard that Wendi reported info back to S. FL.
 

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