FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Knitpicker]

It was actually a theory I was discussing with someone on Reddit, but anyway!

I'm still not 100% sold on it. I vacillate back and forth. It does make sense and it's that no phone activity for 45mins that gets me going.. something was going on at that time.

2nd trip does mean she gets to ABC Liquor store around 12.40pm as her phone pinged on Centreville at 12.35pm. This means she would have sat in her car on the phone for 7 mins then gone in to the shop. It also means this fits in nicely with a trip up Trescott supporting the 1 trip theory. i.e Her phone data

Why would she have to sit in her car? She had to go in, get the bourbon and chat with the guy about her eyes then check out.. it’s about 12:44 bc it takes about 12 minutes to get to ABC by her house. Receipt was 12:48

Yes about the last paragraph.

 

[Knitpicker]

I heard Officer Brennan gave the Tallahassee Democrat an interview after his latest testimony and said he thinks he spotted her twice… First time she just kept going straight and the second time she did a k-turn. Can’t wait till Wendi’s trial

Yeah straight into his patrol car…

 

[Zedzded]

Why would she have to sit in her car? She had to go in, get the bourbon and chat with the guy about her eyes then check out.. it’s about 12:44 bc it takes about 12 minutes to get to ABC by her house. Receipt was 12:48

Yes about the last paragraph.

hmm yeah. So if just on trip. She would have pulled in earliest 12.46/12.47 not giving her much time to chat to attendant, him finding the Bourbon then processing her credit card. That would take a good 3-4 minutes+. Possible, but very rushed and tight. Whereas two trips, she gets that 12.42. Was she in ABC on the phone?

 

[Knitpicker]

hmm yeah. So if just on trip. She would have pulled in earliest 12.46/12.47 not giving her much time to chat to attendant, him finding the Bourbon then processing her credit card. That would take a good 3-4 minutes+. Possible, but very rushed and tight. Whereas two trips, she gets that 12.42. Was she in ABC on the phone?

Her call to Jeff S ended after 16 minutes on the phone with him.(from 12:31)
I happen to think she hung up…bc Then he called her back I believe at 12:47 and she didn’t answer. Then she called him back after 12:48. (After paying) she remained on the phone with him until she got to Mozaik about 1:10-1:15- that was the second time she was on the phone with him about 15 minutes.

I feel like at this point its just getting repetitive with all the times.

 

[Zedzded]

So quickest I can get WA from Aqua Ridge to Trescott and then ABC is 18 mins. She was at corner of Pemberton and Centreville at 12.31pm and would have left home 12.29pm. Which gets her there (via Trescott) at 12.47pm. Receipt for Bourbon was 12.49pm. So possible, but pretty tight factoring in chatting to ABC guy, finding bourbon etc

 

[Knitpicker]

So quickest I can get WA from Aqua Ridge to Trescott and then ABC is 18 mins. She was at corner of Pemberton and Centreville at 12.31pm and would have left home 12.29pm. Which gets her there (via Trescott) at 12.47pm. Receipt for Bourbon was 12.49pm. So possible, but pretty tight factoring in chatting to ABC guy, finding bourbon etc

Receipt was 12:48.
So it doesn’t fit with her leaving the house at 12:31-32.
That was the time she called Jeff and I think its assumed she left then?

I think her time in the store from parking, getting out of the car, finding someone to show her the bourbon, standing on line to pay, getting back to the car would definitely be at least 8-10 minutes.

I usually go to ABC to return liquor during Christmas (we get gifts and I return for water bottles etc bc we don't drink) and its a big store and would take time to find someone to help. Especially navigating through all those aisles. I’d say 8-10 minutes there is conservative.

It’s amazing that we are on our 4th trial and Wendi still doesn't remember if she got gas after ABC.

 

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She gets off the

Receipt was 12:48.
So it doesn’t fit with her leaving the house at 12:31-32.
That was the time she called Jeff and I think its assumed she left then?

I think her time in the store from parking, getting out of the car, finding someone to show her the bourbon, standing on line to pay, getting back to the car would definitely be at least 8-10 minutes.

She was on the road at 12.31pm (see map). She left home at 12.29pm. Bourbon bought at 12.49pm.

 

[Knitpicker]

She gets off the


She was on the road at 12.31pm (see map). She left home at 12.29pm. Bourbon bought at 12.49pm.


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I stand corrected!!!OK so the call is at 12:31 Is that the definite location of the call or is that a general location ?
On the call log it shows that Jeff S called her at 12:47.
What is the 12:36? The definitive location at hat time?
Why is there no time ON Trescott?
That chart seems to support the SECOND trip doesnt it?\Leaving the house at 12:29.

 

[Zedzded]

Receipt was 12:48.
So it doesn’t fit with her leaving the house at 12:31-32.
That was the time she called Jeff and I think its assumed she left then?

I think her time in the store from parking, getting out of the car, finding someone to show her the bourbon, standing on line to pay, getting back to the car would definitely be at least 8-10 minutes.

I usually go to ABC to return liquor during Christmas (we get gifts and I return for water bottles etc bc we don't drink) and its a big store and would take time to find someone to help. Especially navigating through all those aisles. I’d say 8-10 minutes there is conservative.

It's possible to do it in her timeframe if she parked right in front of the store, no other customers and the employee was lightening quick. But she would have been racing. You can park right in front of the shop.

 

[Zedzded]

I stand corrected!!!OK so the call is at 12:31 Is that the definite location of the call or is that a general location ?
On the call log it shows that Jeff S called her at 12:47.
What is the 12:36? The definitive location at hat time?
Why is there no time ON Trescott?
That chart seems to support the SECOND trip doesnt it?

Those three times 12.31, 12.36 and 12.47 are reports from her cell phone when she made phone calls. These are pinpoint reports within a few metres so time and location are accurate. It takes 2 mins from her home to the first report at 12.31, so must have left home 12.29pm. There's no time on Trescott, because the phone didn't reply to a tower as she was in the middle of a call. The police have just assumed she went up Trescott. They don't have data to prove this. All they have is those 3 pinpointed times on the map.

 

[Zedzded]

She was cognisant of the fact they would track her phone hence the reason she panic called - creating an alibi. Which also suggests why she would have phone off for trip 1 aware they could track her,.

 

[Knitpicker]

Those three times 12.31, 12.36 and 12.47 are reports from her cell phone when she made phone calls. These are pinpoint reports within a few metres so time and location are accurate. It takes 2 mins from her home to the first report at 12.31, so must have left home 12.29pm. There's no time on Trescott, because the phone didn't reply to a tower as she was in the middle of a call. The police have just assumed she went up Trescott. They don't have data to prove this. All they have is those 3 pinpointed times on the map.

But she was on the phone with Jeff S from 12:31 to 12:47-the entire time she was driving down.
So why the 12:36 time on the map?
It’s just so strange to not see a time on Trescott.

Someone living there would have to say whether it would take 11 minutes to get from the 12:36 point to the 12:47 point at ABC if she did go to Dans and do a turn back. I guess it’s possible.
But she would have arrived to ABC earlier than 12:47 bc of the purchase time.
So lets say 6 minutes ( giving 5 minutes to go in and buy the liquor) from the 12:36 point to ABC ,(12:41 seems impossible) ’Now my heard is spinning,..

 

[Zedzded]

But she was on the phone with Jeff S from 12:31 to 12:47-the entire time she was driving down.
So why the 12:36 time on the map?
It’s just so strange to not see a time on Trescott.

Someone living there would have to say whether it would take 11 minutes to get from the 12:36 point to the 12:47 point at ABC if she did go to Dans and do a turn back.

She got a text at 12.35.

 

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Someone living there would have to say whether it would take 11 minutes to get from the 12:36 point to the 12:47 point at ABC if she did go to

According to Google Maps she had time. Just. Pretty tight.

 

[Knitpicker]

She got a text at 12.35.

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Yeah I have the same call log but with more calls saved on my photos

 

[apeXperience]

The Adelson cosa nostra is organized liked the mafia. Hence, someone repentant is hoped to break their code of silence among members to help conclude the prosecution of Dan Markel’s murder.

Wendi Adelson is the consigliere. As the Florida bar admitted lawyer of the family, she advised on legal matters regarding real estate dealings and contention with dental malpractice. She is also the family’s crown jewel, their sunshine.

Harvey Adelson is obviously the boss. He produces and controls their wealth. They fraction each piece of real estate as a standalone business whereas Harvey is the principal.

As Harvey’s domestic coordinator, Donna Adelson is their underboss. Technically, she is Harvey’s employee as the office manager at their dental practice. Although she does not generate revenue directly, she signs checks in Harvey's stead as his quasi-accountant.

Charles Adelson is their caporegime. Besides being a traveling periodontist, his recorded phone calls indicate that he is engaged with peddling controlled substances such as steroids. Avowed aficionado of sexual recreation with younger women, he fervently pursues sex in foreign countries. He bragged of being a man of two worlds, a doctor the cops would not dare challenge and a diver in the underworld with gangster connections.

Katherine Magbanua, Sigfredo Garcia, and Luis Rivera are the family’s soldiers. When the bump was of concern, Charles Adelson was recorder by FBI undercover directing Magbanua to take care of the “bumper.” It goes without saying with details that these family soldiers have helped the family achieve the murder of Dan Markel.

Then come the Adelson cosa nostra associates such as Shoddrick Nobles who procured cocaine, helped fix car trouble, and booked the hitmen's hotel room in Tallahassee, FL. Other associates include Kristin Bailey, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Scott Radis, Dr. Obed, Jessica Rodriguez, and Sigfredo Garcia’s live in girlfriend Shrimp.

The murder of Dan Markel was effectuated following a train car communication espousing the hierarchy of the Adelson cosa nostra: from the needs of their sunshine Wendi to the birthday gift of boss Harvey, to the feverish domestic coordination of consigliere Donna, to the street level supervision of caporegime Mr. Maestro Charles, to the execution by the soldiers Magbanua, Garcia, and Rivera, with the help of their associates such as Shoddrick Nobles.

Thus far, the State Attorneys’ pattern of prosecution follows a divide and conquer strategy climbing the hierarchy of the Adelson cosa nostra: Rivera, Garcia, Magbanua, Charles, and Donna. It seems logical that the next in line is Harvey instead of Wendi!

What are the circumstantial and direct evidence against Harvey? It is provable that Harvey is the financier of the murder. He actively participated by driving the car used to drop the blood money that Donna literally laundered. Is Harvey the low hanging fruit?

 

[Knitpicker]

The Adelson cosa nostra is organized liked the mafia. Hence, someone repentant is hoped to break their code of silence among members to help conclude the prosecution of Dan Markel’s murder.

Wendi Adelson is the consigliere. As the Florida bar admitted lawyer of the family, she advised on legal matters regarding real estate dealings and contention with dental malpractice. She is also the family’s crown jewel, their sunshine.

Harvey Adelson is obviously the boss. He produces and controls their wealth. They fraction each piece of real estate as a standalone business whereas Harvey is the principal.

As Harvey’s domestic coordinator, Donna Adelson is their underboss. Technically, she is Harvey’s employee as the office manager at their dental practice. Although she does not generate revenue directly, she signs checks in Harvey's stead as his quasi-accountant.

Charles Adelson is their caporegime. Besides being a traveling periodontist, his recorded phone calls indicate that he is engaged with peddling controlled substances such as steroids. Avowed aficionado of sexual recreation with younger women, he fervently pursues sex in foreign countries. He bragged of being a man of two worlds, a doctor the cops would not dare challenge and a diver in the underworld with gangster connections.

Katherine Magbanua, Sigfredo Garcia, and Luis Rivera are the family’s soldiers. When the bump was of concern, Charles Adelson was recorder by FBI undercover directing Magbanua to take care of the “bumper.” It goes without saying with details that these family soldiers have helped the family achieve the murder of Dan Markel.

Then come the Adelson cosa nostra associates such as Shoddrick Nobles who procured cocaine, helped fix car trouble, and booked the hitmen's hotel room in Tallahassee, FL. Other associates include Kristin Bailey, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Scott Radis, Dr. Obed, Jessica Rodriguez, and Sigfredo Garcia’s live in girlfriend Shrimp.

The murder of Dan Markel was effectuated following a train car communication espousing the hierarchy of the Adelson cosa nostra: from the needs of their sunshine Wendi to the birthday gift of boss Harvey, to the feverish domestic coordination of consigliere Donna, to the street level supervision of caporegime Mr. Maestro Charles, to the execution by the soldiers Magbanua, Garcia, and Rivera, with the help of their associates such as Shoddrick Nobles.

Thus far, the State Attorneys’ pattern of prosecution follows a divide and conquer strategy climbing the hierarchy of the Adelson cosa nostra: Rivera, Garcia, Magbanua, Charles, and Donna. It seems logical that the next in line is Harvey instead of Wendi!

What are the circumstantial and direct evidence against Harvey? It is provable that Harvey is the financier of the murder. He actively participated by driving the car used to drop the blood money that Donna literally laundered. Is Harvey the low hanging fruit?

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I wonder why Wendi and Sigfredo have the same number.

Very good synopsis.

 

[opt]

I wonder why Wendi and Sigfredo have the same number.

The train cars are a circle!

 

[Knitpicker]

The train cars are a circle!

Huh?

 

[Weki]

I'm reading Truman Capote's biography by Gerald Clarke . And this paragraph about Capote's book In Cold Blood really captures the Dan Markel tragedy. It really resonated with me and I thought it may resonate with some of you. Even though Donna black heart put things in motion, this murder would never have been accomplished without the "transient hearts" driving miles from Miami to kill a man they never met in his own garage...all for a little bit of scratch.


Going about its peaceful pursuits in Holcomb is one America—prosperous, secure, and a little smug. Along with his many good qualities, Herb Clutter is rigid and self-righteous; he promises to fire any employee caught “harboring alcohol,” and he refuses to let Nancy even consider marrying her boyfriend, whose only offense is that he is Catholic. Speeding across the plains is the other America—poor, rootless and misbegotten. “Transient hearts,” Randolph prophetically named such people in Other Voices; envy and self-pity are their only legacies, violence their only handiwork. Together, victims and killers are America in microcosm—light and dark, goodness and evil.

Source: Clarke, Gerald. Capote: A Biography (p. 452). RosettaBooks. Kindle Edition.