FL - Ibragim Todashev Shooting Incident, Orlando, 22 May 2013

[tezi]

Once again, you are not accurate. OBtaining the green card translates to he was properly going through the maze to get citizenship. The only qualifier left to become a citizen the passage of time. Like an internship!

Point being made this was not a "lazy violent bum as media had played.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219002830AAhBtx9

RE: People "profile" other people everyday
People murder people dailly does not make it right - it is especially problematic by those in power!

And hey if all was above board it woud have been clearly identified by now. Silence is interesting and supposedly what makes our civilian folks different than other lands. Just not happening any more ..........

Finally, many here proclaimed that an "investigation" is under way. Well??????

RBBM: Did you happen to read the whole answer to the question between green card status and naturalized citizen on your link. I was too tired last night to even click on the link. But, I did so this morning. I was NOT wrong. Just because you have a green card that does not equal the same thing as being a naturalized citizen. From your link:
A green card means an immigrant has passed all the required qualifications to obtain the legal right to permanent residence. It also signifies that someone's also in the process of obtaining U.S. citizenship. However it does not mean you're a naturalized citizen yet.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219002830AAhBtx9

To sum up, just because you have a green card, it does NOT mean you have the same rights as a naturalized US Citizen. Therefore, I was not wrong...

I have asked you repeatedly to stop posting the wrong information, and you willfully keep doing so. It doesn't help the conversation to keep doing it.

JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Could you provide a link, so I can figure out which case you are discussing? Please, and thank you.

All over Cnn! It is the pics of younger coming out of the boat!

easy to find

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/massachusetts-tsarnaev-photos/index.html?npt=NP1

 

[CARIIS]

RBBM: Did you happen to read the whole answer to the question between green card status and naturalized citizen on your link. I was too tired last night to even click on the link. But, I did so this morning. I was NOT wrong. Just because you have a green card that does not equal the same thing as being a naturalized citizen. From your link:
A green card means an immigrant has passed all the required qualifications to obtain the legal right to permanent residence. It also signifies that someone's also in the process of obtaining U.S. citizenship. However it does not mean you're a naturalized citizen yet.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219002830AAhBtx9

To sum up, just because you have a green card, it does NOT mean you have the same rights as a naturalized US Citizen. Therefore, I was not wrong...

I have asked you repeatedly to stop posting the wrong information, and you willfully keep doing so. It doesn't help the conversation to keep doing it.

JMO

I am not referring to the system - I am referring to mainstreams protrayal of this collage graduate, professionial as a violent explosive individual. The importance of the green card is how the FBI portrayed him as ready to flee - in reality he had just gotten his green card and had made plans to fly back home to see his family because he could now cause he played the game and earned his green card.

He cooperated with the folks who ended his life and changed his travel plans. Does this sound like a person , who legally could "flee" if he wanted to. Hits me as an individual who wanted to clear his name.

Naturalized distilled spring purified boiled whatever!

The point here is that he was murdered by a govt agency which has yet to provide the public an accounting of killing a inncoent young man who had no involvement with Boston or the triple murders.

He worked out with T a couple of times they swapped phones numbers and never had anything to do with one another till that one phone call which the FBI protrayed as this deeply involved friend of T

I await some clarification on what I might be missing as far as this "investigation" into the killing.

What I ask again , is there to investigate for 60 days and why all the serecy unless the autospy will say that many shots were fired after the deceased was no longer a threat to anyone - he was down and dying.

Open to notions about why the autospy is denied from public under the nonsense that an investigation is under way when none of the people who killed him have been talked to according to link posted last night.

Give me your notions about all there is to investigate - they will not even release the name of the agent who shot him 7 times - that IS not normal

I am not reporting any wrong information my posts are linked tomainstream media -you dodge my wanting to know what you think this investigation entails. In light of all the secrecy it is a fair question and among many AMericans minds...........

tell us all what they are investigating other than ways to block the release of the medical examiners autopsy?

YOU watch this - this is a friend here in Orlando who is totally blown away that the FBI killed his friend the night before. This is a moving, authentic narrative of what these folks had been going through, Pay attn to the last 15 seconds the guy is devastated.

[video=youtube;tu5B5jSb-ic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu5B5jSb-ic[/video]

advise!

 

[bessie]

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[nursebeeme]

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This cannot be understated ^^^ and I also add to this that if this word is in your post:

you​

then the post needs to be checked before hitting submit to make sure there is not personalization of the post going on.

 

[CARIIS]

This cannot be understated ^^^ and I also add to this that if this word is in your post:

you​

then the post needs to be checked before hitting submit to make sure there is not personalization of the post going on.

Edit button is gone - can you take "you" off

 

[CARIIS]

IMO, the guy is just compelling in the aftermath

[video=youtube;zNI4arqVsTQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNI4arqVsTQ[/video]

 

[Neige]

Rachel Maddow: "This is a farce. I don't know why this isn't a bigger national story, but this is an absolute farce."

[video=youtube;jph02IOBxTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jph02IOBxTk[/video]

 

[claudicici]

I'm so glad she reported on this and I totally agree with her.It's very frustrating.

 

[LambChop]

Bumping......

 

[i.b.nora]

I was reading a Reuters article today about a special unit of our Drug Enforcement Agency and I couldn't help but think about how it might relate to this Ibragim Todashev investigation and killing.

DEA Special Operations Division Covers Up Surveillance Used To Investigate Americans: Report

Reuters | Posted: 08/05/2013 4:59 am EDT | Updated: 08/05/2013 9:34 am EDT
By John Shiffman and Kristina Cooke

WASHINGTON, Aug 5 (Reuters) - "A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans."

"Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges."

"The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses."

And...

"The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 1994 to combat Latin American drug cartels and has grown from several dozen employees to several hundred.

Today, much of the SOD's work is classified, and officials asked that its precise location in Virginia not be revealed. The documents reviewed by Reuters are marked "Law Enforcement Sensitive," a government categorization that is meant to keep them confidential.

"Remember that the utilization of SOD cannot be revealed or discussed in any investigative function," a document presented to agents reads. The document specifically directs agents to omit the SOD's involvement from investigative reports, affidavits, discussions with prosecutors and courtroom testimony. Agents are instructed to then use "normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD.""

Much much more...

The opportunity to build a phony case against someone seems extraordinary to me. I am alarmed at the degree it seems our own government is spying on us. And, I believe firmly that there is something out of the ordinary going on with this Todashev 'investigation'.

 

[LambChop]

We do sleep at night because the government is on duty 24 hours a day to try to keep us safe. Freedom is not free....it just isn't. The government isn't spying on how many times we watch "Golden Girls" in one day. They are looking for those very same people who got away with setting off the bombs in Boston. As far as I'm concerned I have nothing to hide from the government and anything they are after will never affect me other than to keep me safe. The government is far from perfect but those in service do do their jobs to the best of their abilities; military, local LE, State Police, FBI, Homeland Security, etc. If anyone is doubtful check out the videos with all those armed police going after one man at a risk to their own safety and potential loss of life. Good bless them, I say.

FYI: I understand that LE has the ability now to scan your license plates from the patrol car if they wish. Obviously this would leave a record. In the future I wonder how many crimes will be averted because a patrol car traveling behind a criminal will make them have second thoughts about committing a crime. They won't know if their plate was scanned putting them at the scene. If you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. That is just how I feel about it. jmo

 

[i.b.nora]

Father of Chechen killed by FBI travels to U.S. to get 'justice'
By Joe Johns and Stacey Samuel, CNN
August 7, 2013 -- Updated 1503 GMT (2303 HKT)

"(CNN) -- The father of a Chechen-American shot dead by an FBI agent has traveled from the Russia to the United States, saying he wants answers to questions he has about the incident.

Abdulbaki Todashev, the father of Ibragim Todashev, told CNN on Tuesday he wants to file a wrongful death lawsuit stemming from the May 22 shooting at his son's Tampa, Florida, home.

The elder Todashev was meeting in Tampa with attorneys and members of Florida's Council on American-Islamic Relations."

More...

 

[time]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/08/08/fla-fbi-shooting-reviewed-ties-boston-bombing/DLXih5biAVBz2ndZDvWG2K/story.html

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The top prosecutor in Orlando said Thursday that he will review what led to the fatal shooting of a Chechen immigrant during questioning by the FBI and other agents over the man’s ties to one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

State Attorney Jeff Ashton said he has received a preliminary report by the federal Department of Justice about its investigation into the death of Ibragim Todashev (IH'-bruh-heem TOH'-duh-shehv) last May.

Ashton says there is no schedule for when he will complete his review.

http://waltham.patch.com/groups/pol...tigate-death-of-waltham-triple-murder-suspect

A prosecutor in Orlando, Fla., announced he will investigate the shooting death of one of the suspects in the Waltham triple murder, who also has ties to one of the Boston Marathon bombers.

State Attorney Jeff Ashton received the preliminary report from the FBI about the death of Ibragim Todashev, who was killed during an interview about the Waltham murders in May, according to an Associated Press story in the Boston Globe.

 

[time]

The US Department of Justice has compiled a preliminary report on the circumstances of the death of Ibrahim Todashev shot by an FBI agent.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_09/US-Department-of-Justice-writes-report-on-Todashev-s-death-5477/

 

[time]

Civil liberties groups praised a Florida prosecutor Friday for launching an independent review of the fatal shooting of a Chechen man by a Boston FBI agent, saying they hoped he would hold government officials accountable if they are found negligent.

Jeffrey L. Ashton, the top prosecutor in Orlando, announced Thursday that he is reviewing witness and forensic evidence from the US Department of Justice’s preliminary investigation into the death of Ibragim Todashev, a friend of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

...In Orlando, Ashton had previously said he would not investigate, but announced Thursday that he had changed his mind. He declined to explain why through a spokesman.

“Mr. Ashton will conduct an independent review of the circumstances surrounding the use of deadly force in this case, as he does in all cases involving use of force by a law enforcement officer resulting in death,” his office said in a statement.

The Department of Justice confirmed Friday that the department had briefed Ashton July 25 in Orlando on their shooting investigation, including witness and forensic evidence. “No conclusions or recommendations regarding the inquiry have been reached,” said department spokeswoman Dena Iverson.

Ashton’s announcement comes days after Todashev’s father arrived in Florida from Russia to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the bureau. Abdulbaki Todashev has said he does not believe his son would have attacked law enforcement and has accused the FBI of “premeditated, intentional murder.”

Also Friday, federal immigration officials mysteriously released Todashev’s former roommate, 19-year-old Tatiana Gruzdeva, and granted her permission to stay in the United States for another year. She had been jailed since May 16 for immigration violations and was ordered to return to Russia by an immigration judge, who also reports to the Department of Justice.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ration-jail/LtoXLBtSLrNAftHyuyHIfN/story.html

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/08/08/fla-fbi-shooting-reviewed-ties-boston-bombing/DLXih5biAVBz2ndZDvWG2K/story.html

http://waltham.patch.com/groups/pol...tigate-death-of-waltham-triple-murder-suspect

My favorite line in the Waltham Patch article:

"An independent investigation into Todashev’s death has been requested by the ACLU and by Todashev’s father. Lawn enforcement officials in Florida and Massachusetts had declined to investigate the incident."

 

[time]

Gotta watch out for those Lawn Enforcers

The father of a Chechen man fatally shot by the FBI was sought for questioning by the bureau after he arrived in the United States to prepare a possible wrongful death lawsuit against the agency, but he refused to meet with the agents, his lawyers said today.

Abdulbaki Todashev, the father of Ibragim Todashev, who was killed May 22 in his Orlando, Fla., apartment during an interrogation about his friendship with suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, refused to speak with the agents because he did not have a lawyer, said Eric Ludin, one of several high-powered lawyers the father has retained since he arrived last week.

...At the press conference, Todashev’s father, a city official in Chechnya, a region of southern Russia, declined to take questions but said he was convinced of his son’s innocence.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...with-agents/5gbEbOumMNkyhW6HAGhCsM/story.html

 

[time]

Todashev's quiet demeanour was markedly different from a fiery press conference he gave in Russia in May, at which he denounced the FBI agents as "bandits" who murdered his son "execution-style".

The conversation does seem to be toned down now.

"We have theories of what happened but it would be inappropriate to theorise and it could interfere in some way with Mr Ashton's investigation," Ludin said.

"We want to be as co-operative as possible and so we aren't going to comment on what we think happened in that room except that we think it was not a justified killing."


But he did say he "had no reason there was any kind of deadly weapon in the possession of our client's son".


He said he had no idea how long Ashton's inquiry would take but that he had urged the older Todashev, who was scheduled to return to Russia this week, to stay in the country at least until he had the chance to meet with Ashton.


The FBI, he added, had tried to talk to Todashev, but that he had declined an interview without a lawyer present.


Ludin said he understood why the FBI had requested the coroner's office to withhold the autopsy report because it was relevant to an inquiry concerning possible criminal behaviour by law enforcement officers, and its release could compromise the investigation.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/13/boston-bombing-suspect-friend-fbi-investigation

 

[time]

"Sympathetic" federal sources within the Department of Justice and FBI have shared information about the case with CAIR, including assurances that the 27-year-old was unarmed. But Shibly declined to elaborate on anything else sources may have elucidated.


CAIR attorneys said Todashev was young when he came to the United States but could not say when exactly he arrived or whether he was employed or a student at the time of his death.


Ludin said his client's son came because he wanted to immigrate to this country but he had few details about Ibragim Todashev's life in the U.S. and in Central Florida.

BBM - I'm just not getting all this. I wonder when or if, the attorneys and org representing Todashev will share their info and conclusions more specifically? IDK maybe it depends on what the FBI and FL Prosecutor have in their reports?

WHy is it that Todashev's attorneys do not know much if anything about IT's life?