FL FL - Isabella Hellmann, 41, catamaran off Cay Sal, SE of the FL Keys, 14 May 2017 #1 *GUILTY*

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I read many articles without posting them... one quoted her co worker as saying she was happy and he was happy and they seemed to have a good relationship. Maybe someone will find that one.

Maybe this?

Ben Schachter, owner of Signature Real Estate Companies, said Tuesday that Hellmann “loved being a mom” and that she was “excited about her marriage.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...m-realtor-missing-sea/GKNsp1yIIdu2O3fVL929YO/

Or this...

'She was excited about going on the holiday with Lewis. She had no experience about boats, but said that Lewis "was good with them". She was happy to go on the trip.

'I always thought they were a very lovely couple and they had no problems.

<snip>

'I used to go for a coffee with her and I could see that she loved her husband and that he loved her.

'She said she needed a break and was smiling as she said it was going to be their honeymoon.'

<snip>

She said Isabella had talked about she and her husband moving to Australia where Bennett had lived.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4555370/Husband-center-FBI-probe-wife-vanishing-speaks.html

Bit of a different picture.

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[Satchie]

I believe the timeline is wrong, with the call at 8:30 pm on Saturday, May 13 and the accident at 1:30 am on Sunday, May 14 (Mother's Day)

From the husband's statement, he went below at 8 pm, which means she was more than 5 hours alone on night watch. That is an unconscionable amount of time to leave even a highly experienced and trusted co-pilot on night watch, but crazy reckless and cruel to do that a rookie.

I randomly pulled up this report from a highly experienced sailing couple:

"Alex and I have made numerous night passages and feel comfortable with each other’s capabilities. We prefer a three hours on, three hours off schedule. We find that gives us a long enough stretch to sleep and a brief enough turn at the helm to stay alert." http://cruising.coastalboating.net/Seamanship/Overnight/WatchSchedule.html

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[Hiandmighty]

Maybe this?

Ben Schachter, owner of Signature Real Estate Companies, said Tuesday that Hellmann &#8220;loved being a mom&#8221; and that she was &#8220;excited about her marriage.&#8221;

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...m-realtor-missing-sea/GKNsp1yIIdu2O3fVL929YO/

Or this...

'She was excited about going on the holiday with Lewis. She had no experience about boats, but said that Lewis "was good with them". She was happy to go on the trip.

'I always thought they were a very lovely couple and they had no problems.

<snip>

'I used to go for a coffee with her and I could see that she loved her husband and that he loved her.

'She said she needed a break and was smiling as she said it was going to be their honeymoon.'

<snip>

She said Isabella had talked about she and her husband moving to Australia where Bennett had lived.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4555370/Husband-center-FBI-probe-wife-vanishing-speaks.html

Bit of a different picture.

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Yes, that is the article I was talking about. Thanks for finding it.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Different people pull different watch schedule. It's dependent on what works best for your body. That couple likes 3/3. Not all do. It is also dependent on weather. Harsher weather might necessitate 1:1.

It was probably a nice night to be on the water.

 

[Satchie]

Maybe this?

Ben Schachter, owner of Signature Real Estate Companies, said Tuesday that Hellmann “loved being a mom” and that she was “excited about her marriage.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...m-realtor-missing-sea/GKNsp1yIIdu2O3fVL929YO/

Real estate agents, especially the owner of a company, IMO would never, ever, publicly even hint at a negative aspect about anything. It might upset current or former clients, and you sure don't want your business associated in people's minds with something...undesireable.

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[LaneGirl]

Real estate agents, especially the owner of a company, IMO would never, ever, publicly even hint at a negative aspect about anything. It might upset current or former clients, and you sure don't want your business associated in people's minds with something...undesireable.

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I would also say business associates may not hear the real or true story that close family and friends may here. How many times has there been a victim of domestic abuse and the people she/he worked with had no clue?

Note: I'm not saying domestic violence is the case here. I'm saying sometimes people portray a different life to their coworkers than they do their family/friends.

I still haven't formed an opinion on how I feel about this case. I totally see an accident could have happened and I also read LB comments as strange and worthy of looking at.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Real estate agents, especially the owner of a company, IMO would never, ever, publicly even hint at a negative aspect about anything. It might upset current or former clients, and you sure don't want your business associated in people's minds with something...undesireable.

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So you don't think this realtor would tell the true story if his co worker is missing and presumed dead under odd circumstances? In the name of save face?

 

[LaneGirl]

So you don't think this realtor would tell the true story if his co worker is missing and presumed dead under odd circumstances? In the name of save face?

I know you're not addressing me but I think the co worker is telling the story they were told. Perhaps Isabella was putting their best foot forward as a lot of couples do. They don't address their differences/disagreements with everyone, thats usually only for very close friends and family. idk

 

[Satchie]

So you don't think this realtor would tell the true story if his co worker is missing and presumed dead under odd circumstances? In the name of save face?

Not to the news media, no way, which is different from telling something to the FBI. Not that I think there's anything to tell. I'm just saying, a quote in the media isn't a guarantee of truth, people who agree to be quoted in the media often have a bias and it's often self-protective.

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[GigTu]

Maybe this?

Ben Schachter, owner of Signature Real Estate Companies, said Tuesday that Hellmann &#8220;loved being a mom&#8221; and that she was &#8220;excited about her marriage.&#8221;

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...m-realtor-missing-sea/GKNsp1yIIdu2O3fVL929YO/

Or this...

'She was excited about going on the holiday with Lewis. She had no experience about boats, but said that Lewis "was good with them". She was happy to go on the trip.

'I always thought they were a very lovely couple and they had no problems.

<snip>

'I used to go for a coffee with her and I could see that she loved her husband and that he loved her.

'She said she needed a break and was smiling as she said it was going to be their honeymoon.'

<snip>

She said Isabella had talked about she and her husband moving to Australia where Bennett had lived.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4555370/Husband-center-FBI-probe-wife-vanishing-speaks.html

Bit of a different picture.

Bit of a different picture from someone unbiased?

 

[LaneGirl]

Bit of a different picture from someone unbiased?

Or someone who was told a different story? I don't think they are lying. But perhaps they were told one story?

I don't tell my coworkers disagreements my husband and I have. But that maybe just me? idk

 

[GigTu]

Not to the news media, no way, which is different from telling something to the FBI. Not that I think there's anything to tell. I'm just saying, a quote in the media isn't a guarantee of truth, people who agree to be quoted in the media often have a bias and it's often self-protective.

Are we holding Isabella's family to this same standard? Equally?

 

[GigTu]

Or someone who was told a different story? I don't think they are lying. But perhaps they were told one story?

I don't tell my coworkers disagreements my husband and I have. But that maybe just me? idk

This came from Isabella's mouth to his ears. This isn't hearsay or third hand, or with an agenda, from his perspective.

 

[LaneGirl]

Are we holding Isabella's family to this same standard? Equally?

Of course I am. Two totally different stories wouldn't you say?

 

[LaneGirl]

This came from Isabella's mouth to his ears. This isn't hearsay or third hand, or with an agenda, from his perspective.

Sorry its hearsay unless you hear it from Isabella herself. But honestly do you tell your coworkers when you and your spouse/SO have a disagreement?

I sure don't.

 

[GigTu]

Sorry its hearsay unless you hear it from Isabella herself. But honestly do you tell your coworkers when you and your spouse/SO have a disagreement?

I sure don't.

We know zero about their relationship, her comfort levels with certain people, or her customs. Zero.

 

[LaneGirl]

We know zero about their relationship, her comfort levels with certain people, or her customs. Zero.

We know what her coworkers said and what her family said right?

ETA - It's all we got. Her coworkers said some things and her family has said some things. Who do you belive?

 

[GigTu]

I'm not LE, a psychologist, or a judge. I am only hearing fragments, with no body language, tone or inflection. I don't know Isabella nor Lewis, or their families, friends and coworkers. i don't know what each person's agenda is beyond what I see in media. Based on that alone I believe a coworker will be more unbiased and honest with a nearly zero agenda way before a family member who dislikes the husband and wants to find a way to keep the baby. What about you?

 

[LaneGirl]

I'm not LE, a psychologist, or a judge. I am only hearing fragments, with no body language, tone or inflection. I don't know Isabella nor Lewis, or their families, friends and coworkers. i don't know what each person's agenda is beyond what I see in media. Based on that alone I believe a coworker will be more unbiased and honest with a nearly zero agenda way before a family member who dislikes the husband and wants to find a way to keep the baby. What about you?

I agree that a coworker will tell exactly an unbiased story, what they were told.

I personally would never tell a coworker when my husband and I had a disagreement, especially my boss!!!!

I have zero issues with those of you that would tell your coworker you had an issue with your husband, though.

Please note: I haven't formed an opinion about this case. I do think some of the things LB has said is strange and makes one go hummm, but I can also see an accident.

I will not however back off the opinion that a person may or may not not give their coworkers the real scoop of their marriage as I TOTALLY would not tell my coworkers if I was having an issues with my SO unless they were very good friends.

 

[Estelle]

I do not understand LB's statement when he said he was tired from being on the water 4 or 5 days either because there are 10 days that are unaccounted for. They were supposed to be home by the 12th (home to Boca Raton, so they would have to drive, I suppose, from Key West to Boca to be home by the 12th for her sister's graduation.

Isabella told her sister at one point that for five days straight they would not be able to talk. They were not supposed to stop in the BVIs, but they did, as Isabella posted from there. According to her her sister the route was St. Maarten, Puerto Rico, Cuba, and Key West.

What happened from May 3 to May 14 that they would so behind in their trip and miss her sister's graduation?

Once her phone broke it was most likely difficult for her to call, relying on LB's iPad.

Here is some of what was found online:

April 30 - Government officials in St. Maarten confirmed Bennett’s boat left for the trip.
May 1 - Hellman posts from Puerto Rico, referencing "another day in paradise".
May 2 - Hellman posts from the British Virgin Islands.
May 3 - Hellman's cellphone breaks and all contact from this point on was through Bennett's iPad.
At some point, Isabella told her sister she would be back by May 12 to attend her sister's graduation on Saturday.
May 11 or 12 - Isabella's sister received a call from her but found it strange that every other time, Isabella asked about the baby and asked detailed questions, but not this time, she just asked if they were getting ready for the graduation. Her sister still thought Isabella was going to surprise her at the ceremony. But Saturday the 12th came and went and no sign of Isabella.
May 14 - 5:30 p.m. - Catamaran leaves Cuba, with a final destination of Key West, FL. Officials said the catamaran's last port of call was Cuba.

I am curious about why they went to the British Virgin islands as they are east of Puerto Rico and Cuba so it was out of the way.