FL FL - Isabella Hellmann, 41, catamaran off Cay Sal, SE of the FL Keys, 14 May 2017 #1 *GUILTY*

[FlossyMay]

" A 50-foot sail boat would take about 15 to 20 hours for the sail from Key West, more like two days from Miami. A fast speed boat could make it Miami to Havana in maybe 10 hours, depending on weather and sea state."

"It is 90 miles to Havana from Key West. It is 250 statute miles from Miami to Havana"

https://www.quora.com/How-long-is-the-boat-ride-from-Miami-to-Cuba

Okay, thank you for that. I didn't think that sounded right.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I am just now this am listening to the radio station that Karen Curtis is with.

She was JUST ON the Rick Stevens show! http://www.850wftl.com/shows/rich-stevens/

And said that they have not located the catamaran on the radio! No link, I was just live streaming that station this am to see if they mentioned it. I have a feeling that she mispoke, and had just interpreted that breaking news incorrectly from the Palm Beach paper who had a headline of "Coast Guard has lost boat".. as to meaning that "has" meant in their possession?

ETA: If so, she sure did embellish as a reporter that it was in a warehouse!

Thanks for this. I was just coming on to call BS on the "they have the boat in the warehouse" story.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Did you read 90 miles vs. 90 minutes?

" A 50-foot sail boat would take about 15 to 20 hours for the sail from Key West, more like two days from Miami. A fast speed boat could make it Miami to Havana in maybe 10 hours, depending on weather and sea state."

"It is 90 miles to Havana from Key West. It is 250 statute miles from Miami to Havana"

https://www.quora.com/How-long-is-the-boat-ride-from-Miami-to-Cuba

They probably powered down for the night also...

 

[bears10]

Wonder why she said they have the boat in a warehouse, and not just that they have the boat.

 

[JerseyGirl]

So there's no boat? It's one thing to say they have the boat and another to say they have the boat in the warehouse!

WTF!

 

[Gardener1850]

[h=1]Boat where missing Florida woman was last seen believed to have sunk off coast of Bahamas[/h]

U.S. Coast Guard officials have lost track of the boat where a Florida mom — missing now for more than three weeks — was last seen as investigators probe her husband.

The 37-foot catamaran carrying Isabella Hellman and husband Lewis Bennett has likely sunk in more than 4,000 feet of water, relatives and officials told the Palm Beach Post.

“We haven’t had track of it or seen the boat since” a beacon was attached weeks ago, Coast Guard spokesman Jonathan Lally told the newspaper Monday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boat-missing-fla-woman-believed-sunk-article-1.3225107

 

[JerseyGirl]

The boat did not sink, I'm sure it's still floating upside down/sideways (whatever) in the Caribbean/Florida Straits somewhere. They lost track of it.

 

[JerseyGirl]

If your boat went down in, or near a navigable channel, the U.S. Coast Guard will require its removal. If the Owner fails to respond, the Coast Guard will remove it for them and expect the Owner to pay the bill (large bill) along with a possible fine.

This can all be avoided with a marine insurance "protection and indemnity" policy that specifically provides coverage for removal of wreck. Boaters should confirm with their agents that:

Their insurance company's claims department is experienced at raising sunken boats and removing wrecks from reefs, beaches and other places they don't belong. Such a company's marine insurance claims specialist would help you locate the right type of assistance, and very importantly handle all negotiations, arbitration or litigation associated with a wreck removal bill.
Their boat insurance policy specifically includes a removal of wreck feature in their liability (protection and indemnity section) equivalent to the normal limit of liability ($300,000 recommended) which would pay the bill and the cost of litigation.
There is no deductible or other adjustment to the cost of removing the wreck.

http://www.boatus.com/towing/salvage-p6.asp

 

[Bently]

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I received an email directly from Karen. She took information out of context from ANOTHER media outlet CBS 12!!!!

Gawd what has journalism come to these days...

Here is her explanation in an email to me.
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"Thank you for your email. My source for the warehouse was a former FBI supervisor:
http://cbs12.com/news/local/former-...s-involvement-in-hellmann-case-is-significant
After I was on with Ashleigh I found the Palm Beach Post article that stated that the boat was missing. Unbelievable.
I immediately called HLN and told them about the development. I may be back on tonight to clarify.
Karen Curtis
850WFTL News Director
Anchor/Producer
Drive @ 5/Joyce Kaufman Show
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.... and HERE is the part from what she is mentioning as a link that she used to come up with the warehouse information on above link...

"The Coast Guard looked to no avail, but now a law enforcement agency is involved in the investigation.

We had some questions about what the bureaus stepping in could mean, so we had a conversation with a former FBI supervisor.

He explains that the FBI has jurisdiction over crimes on the high seas. And he says their first priority will be getting to the shipwreck site.

"I bet they'd put it in the warehouse, if it were me, I would borrow space from Miami-Dade and get catamaran experts to look at it," said Jeff Danik.

Danik says The FBI is the agency that makes sense-- in terms of who has the capabilities and who could make an arrest if necessary-- when it comes to the strange disappearance of Isabella Helman. Danik says the FBI investigates accidents-- to learn the cause.......When we asked the Coast Guard whose responsibility is it to salvage the ship, the Coast Guard told us the owner, Mr. Bennett, But Danik says now the FBI would want to keep Bennett away from the ship.

To preserve it."

She took this OLD INFO at the outset of them missing, and just yesterday flew with it on a national television show, and now thinks she can backtrack? :facepalm:

And BTW, she said "her source" although this article she is referring to was written by by Mike Magnoli, was not HER SOURCE other than sourcing from the internet the OLD article by Mr. Magnoli.

MSM as we know it... smh... some have such low journalistic standards these days.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yea, yesterday I wondered if they were bluffing about the boat and then I slept on it and decided that IMO they don't have the boat.

She was also wrong that it happened on Mother's Day. Taking his story at face value, it happened the next day.

They argued about piercing the baby's ears? Sorry, but not a reason for murder; <modsnip>

 

[Hatfield]

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I received an email directly from Karen. She took information out of context from ANOTHER media outlet CBS 12!!!!

Gawd what has journalism come to these days...

Here is her explanation in an email to me.

"Thank you for your email. My source for the warehouse was a former FBI supervisor:
http://cbs12.com/news/local/former-...s-involvement-in-hellmann-case-is-significant
After I was on with Ashleigh I found the Palm Beach Post article that stated that the boat was missing. Unbelievable.
I immediately called HLN and told them about the development. I may be back on tonight to clarify.
Karen Curtis
850WFTL News Director
Anchor/Producer
Drive @ 5/Joyce Kaufman Show

.... and HERE is the part from what she is mentioning as a link that she used to come up with the warehouse information on above link...

"The Coast Guard looked to no avail, but now a law enforcement agency is involved in the investigation.

We had some questions about what the bureaus stepping in could mean, so we had a conversation with a former FBI supervisor.

He explains that the FBI has jurisdiction over crimes on the high seas. And he says their first priority will be getting to the shipwreck site.

"I bet they'd put it in the warehouse, if it were me, I would borrow space from Miami-Dade and get catamaran experts to look at it," said Jeff Danik.

Danik says The FBI is the agency that makes sense-- in terms of who has the capabilities and who could make an arrest if necessary-- when it comes to the strange disappearance of Isabella Helman. Danik says the FBI investigates accidents-- to learn the cause.......When we asked the Coast Guard whose responsibility is it to salvage the ship, the Coast Guard told us the owner, Mr. Bennett, But Danik says now the FBI would want to keep Bennett away from the ship.

To preserve it."

She took this OLD INFO at the outset of them missing, and just yesterday flew with it on a national television show, and now thinks she can backtrack? :facepalm:

And BTW, she said "her source" although this article she is referring to was written by by Mike Magnoli, was not HER SOURCE other than sourcing from the internet the OLD article by Mr. Magnoli.

MSM as we know it... smh... some have such low journalistic standards these days.

Thank you so much for clarifying this very important detail.

The boat is most likely still floating partially submerged like the last picture we saw of it.

Maybe the only good thing about this mistake in reporting is maybe the FBI will be pressured to go get it now.

Someone needs to shell out the money and get the darn thing. Preferably the FBI.

 

[Hiandmighty]

But apparently FBI has deferred to coast guard.

I don't think he will be accused of anything. I think the story is over, frankly....

If (big if) he killed her, he got away with it. I still think there is enough explanations of everything to support an accident story

 

[Hatfield]

I think it should be fairly obvious if the damage to the hull was made from the inside or outside, correct? He would have to have done it from inside the hull (if he did it).

The "hull" of a catamaran may not be what you are thinking. If it is what I am thinking then it maybe had "pontoon" type hulls which would be sealed up around it on all sides and no real way to be inside of its hull.

Any damage to pontoon type hulls would have to occur from outside only.

I am not sure if their catamaran had pontoons or not.

Below are images of what I think it may have looked like.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cat...=UMM2WZHGCsuejwOE4KjAAw#imgrc=1vaZpzBfVr0osM:

 

[Mercedes]

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June 6, 2017

"Lally, the Coast Guard spokesman, told the Palm Beach Post Monday that he didn't believe (Coast Guard) inspectors examined the boat too closely."

 

[Hatfield]

I think it should be fairly obvious if the damage to the hull was made from the inside or outside, correct? He would have to have done it from inside the hull (if he did it).

Just wanted to add that if a person wanted to damage the boat on purpose to attempt to sink it then a person could rather easily do it from the outside too.

All it would take is leaning over far enough over the side and shooting it with a gun. Or getting in the water and hitting it with a sharpened crowbar or something like that.

People can enter the water and have ropes and ladders to get back on board if a person was so inclined to try to sabatoage a boat.

All I am saying is its doable to try to fake that damage happened from outside.

We dont know what happened in this case and the large scrapes that were reported by CG makes me think they really could have hit something in the water.

 

[Mercedes]

Does anyone here think maybe he paid someone with clout to look the other way???


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Not me.

 

[GigTu]

Tomnod might have some feeds of the area, maybe, if there's something else going on there right now. I don't think they'd focus on the area unless there were big things at stake vs. trying to locate a partially submerged catamaran .... which by the way has now become dangerous floating debris for others sailing those waters.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Just wanted to add that if a person wanted to damage the boat on purpose to attempt to sink it then a person could rather easily do it from the outside too.

All it would take is leaning over far enough over the side and shooting it with a gun. Or getting in the water and hitting it with a sharpened crowbar or something like that.

People can enter the water and have ropes and ladders to get back on board if a person was so inclined to try to sabatoage a boat.

All I am saying is its doable to try to fake that damage happened from outside.

We dont know what happened in this case and the large scrapes that were reported by CG makes me think they really could have hit something in the water.

But the large scrapes were found on the BACK of the pontoons, if I remember correctly.

 

[Hatfield]

Tomnod might have some feeds of the area, maybe, if there's something else going on there right now. I don't think they'd focus on the area unless there were big things at stake vs. trying to locate a partially submerged catamaran .... which by the way has now become dangerous floating debris for others sailing those waters.

Agree.

I am afraid that ever since the CG reported their beacon that they tagged onto the boat has stopped working I doubt anyone will invest in trying to look for the boat.

What the FBI and CG may do is to put out a notification to have any boat or ship who spots it to write down the GPS coordinates and notify them if they spot the boat.

That way they can go re-tag it with a better longer lasting beacon and eventually retrieve. Its sad to think that the beacon the CG placed on the boat did not last long on the battery. I would have thought they would have used beacons that could last much longer with extended battery life.

 

[Hatfield]

But the large scrapes were found on the BACK of the pontoons, if I remember correctly.

Yes you are correct that the "large scrapes" were reported to be toward the back. But I could see where that could happen in the ocean. We have to remember that waves cause the front of boats to go up and down in a porpoising motion. If they hit an object at just the right time the front of the boat may have been up or even out of the water when they struck the object. Which could have caused the scrapes toward the back.

If they did have a leak from those scrapes then maybe it dug into the hull deep enough to cause a leak. The hole could be in with those scrapes.

One thing to remember though is most boats hulls usually have some scrapes and marks from normal wear and even trailoring a boat. I wasnt too much worried about the scrapes until I saw where the CG made a point to call them "large scrapes". Now it has me thinking it could be the main point of impact with an object.

Or they were floating backwards which i guess is possible too. LOL