FL FL - Isabella Hellmann, 41, catamaran off Cay Sal, SE of the FL Keys, 14 May 2017 #1 *GUILTY*

[Bently]

Actually it is. Most boat owners belong to SeaTow or BoatUS, they are the AAA to the boating world.

While that is true that they are the AAA for boating, IIRC their coverage does NOT cover boats taking on water, partially submerged, or abandoned.

So in this situation, they might call a contractor for a wrecked or submerged boat - I don't believe that SeaTow or BoatUS would cover reclaiming this particular boat in this situation. That's not what the insurance if for :moo:

ETA:

www.seatow.com/membership/membership-agreement

"Salvage is not covered under membership :Salvage Operations: Salvage operations, including, but not limited to, vessels abandoned, wrecked, beached, on fire, damaged by fire, taking on water, sinking, sunk, previously sunk, in the surf or surf line, or in any other state of peril, are not privileges of membership. "

http://www.boatus.com/towing/salvage.asp

"The distinction between towing and salvage is reflected in the different types of programs available to boaters. Towing assistance, like the pre-paid service available to BoatUS members from the TowBoatUS fleet, provides help for breakdowns and light groundings. The far more expensive salvage claims are covered only by yacht insurance policies."

 

[Satchie]

Actually it is. Most boat owners belong to SeaTow or BoatUS, they are the AAA to the boating world.

Thanks, good to know. However it couldn't have been towed as it was mostly sunk. And getting a barge and crane out to the middle of the strait probably wouldn't be safe, so some kind of major vessel with a large crew would have to be involved...just not so simply as the TV personality says.

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[JerseyGirl]

Why is bright and sunny out? I thought he was rescued at 5:30 am? He called at 1 am from the life raft.


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5:30 a.m. was daybreak.

Also, he made phone calls around 3:00 a.m. too.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thanks, good to know. However it couldn't have been towed as it was mostly sunk. And getting a barge and crane out to the middle of the strait probably wouldn't be safe, so some kind of major vessel with a large crew would have to be involved...just not so simply as the TV personality says.

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The boat from the Jupiter boys, Perry Cohen and Austin Stephanos, was found out in the middle of the ocean near Bermuda and a Norweigian ship picked it up:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/world/florida-missing-teens-boat/index.html

It's not that difficult

 

[Satchie]

While that is true that they are the AAA for boating, IIRC their coverage does NOT cover boats taking on water, partially submerged, or abandoned.

So in this situation, they might call a contractor for a wrecked or submerged boat - I don't believe that SeaTow or BoatUS would cover reclaiming this particular boat in this situation. That's not what the insurance if for :moo:

ETA:

www.seatow.com/membership/membership-agreement

"Salvage is not covered under membership :Salvage Operations: Salvage operations, including, but not limited to, vessels abandoned, wrecked, beached, on fire, damaged by fire, taking on water, sinking, sunk, previously sunk, in the surf or surf line, or in any other state of peril, are not privileges of membership. "

Plus if the FBI/Coast Guard did it, they'd have to pay. I just can't see that kind of extraordinary expense being approved, on the basis that circumstances seemed potentially suspicious. I could see them sparing no expense in a case of terrorism or general public safety.

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[Bently]

The boat from the Jupiter boys, Perry Cohen and Austin Stephanos, was found out in the middle of the ocean near Bermuda and a Norweigian ship picked it up:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/world/florida-missing-teens-boat/index.html

It's not that difficult

Difficulty is relative to each individual viewing the facts perhaps, as this link above shows that it was a Norwegian container ship with equipment that retrieved the boat you are referring to. Just :moo: I think that would be in the realm of defining as "difficult"


photo from link above and here at [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/world/florida-missing-teens-boat/index.html[/URL]

 

[msphilosopher]

I wouldn't be surprised if the media is running with the story and pointing out inconsistencies with the reported facts just for clicks / stirring curiosity.

I've lost track of the number of articles titled "New Evidence" or "New Details Revealed X Number of Years Later" only to find nothing new is reported in the "new" article.

 

[Satchie]

The boat from the Jupiter boys, Perry Cohen and Austin Stephanos, was found out in the middle of the ocean near Bermuda and a Norweigian ship picked it up:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/world/florida-missing-teens-boat/index.html

It's not that difficult

But I think that was a voluntary effort by the ship, the captain/owners decided to do it when they came alongside the boat floating in the water, they weren't ordered to do it by the Coast Guard/LE.

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[Satchie]

Just looked at that Jupiter boys case, I hadn't heard about it. Very sad.

What jumps out to me is that the natural conclusion the family and many people jumped to, was that it was an abduction/crime. Whereas it seems they just got caught in a storm, not understanding the danger in going so far out to sea to fish.

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[JerseyGirl]

But I think that was a voluntary effort by the ship, the captain/owners decided to do it when they came alongside the boat floating in the water, they weren't ordered to do it by the Coast Guard/LE.

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It's an unwritten boating law to always render assistance to another boater. If they were unable to hoist the boat from the water, they would call it in.

 

[bears10]

Just looked at that Jupiter boys case, I hadn't heard about it. Very sad.

What jumps out to me is that the natural conclusion the family and many people jumped to, was that it was an abduction/crime. Whereas it seems they just got caught in a storm, not understanding the danger in going so far out to sea to fish.

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I think that was the parents in a state of denial. I also think they felt very guilty. The families totally turned on each other at one point, one wanting to blame the other. IIRC there was even a lawsuit. It was a very sad tragedy but they wanted so badly to hold on to the hope that their sons may still be alive. Which is understandable.

 

[Satchie]

I think that was the parents in a state of denial. I also think they felt very guilty. The families totally turned on each other at one point, one wanting to blame the other. IIRC there was even a lawsuit. It was a very sad tragedy but they wanted so badly to hold on to the hope that their sons may still be alive. Which is understandable.

So then, it occurs to me, there's a risk of LB being sued by Isabella's family for compensation for wrongful death, etc. Another reason why he might've disappeared.

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[JerseyGirl]

"The distinction between towing and salvage is reflected in the different types of programs available to boaters. Towing assistance, like the pre-paid service available to BoatUS members from the TowBoatUS fleet, provides help for breakdowns and light groundings. The far more expensive salvage claims are covered only by yacht insurance policies."

Ok, then his insurance company would have paid to salvage it.

I wonder if he even had insurance and what the company thinks about this now.

If he is in hiding (which he obviously is) I'm betting he's not talking to the insurance company either.

 

[Mercedes]

Memorial:


Ben Schacter, broker-president of The Signature Real Estate Companies in Florida recently gave an interview about missing Isabella. He was quoted as saying, "the company likely will hold some kind of memorial in the future for the missing agent, but they don't want to do something too soon that would upset Hellman's family."

http://www.inman.com/2017/01/05/beloved-florida-real-estate-agent-goes-missing-at-sea

 

[Mercedes]

Ok, then his insurance company would have paid to salvage it.

I wonder if he even had insurance and what the company thinks about this now.

If he is in hiding (which he obviously is) I'm betting he's not talking to the insurance company either.

I would hope that he and the baby are with his parents in England, rather than hiding.

 

[Satchie]

I would hope that he and the baby are with his parents in England, rather than hiding.

Yes, but given that famiy/news media are basically accusing him of murder, in his situation (if I was innocent), I'd contact a good lawyer and media spokeman, to issue a statement to some effect...grieving, confident will be cleared of all suspicion, best interests of my daughter...Not just silence.

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[Hiandmighty]

Actually it is. Most boat owners belong to SeaTow or BoatUS, they are the AAA to the boating world.

We have sea tow. There are limits to where they will go, and they don't do salvage.

Rendering assistance doesn't mean towing salvage boats in.

 

[Mercedes]

Yes, but given that famiy/news media are basically accusing him of murder, in his situation (if I was innocent), I'd contact a good lawyer and media spokeman, to issue a statement to some effect...grieving, confident will be cleared of all suspicion, best interests of my daughter...Not just silence.

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I totally agree with you.

 

[Greater Than]

EXCLUSIVE: Sources: Husband of missing Delray woman not in Australia

1:26 p.m Thursday, June 8, 2017

[...] Relatives have recently said they fear he has left the United States with the child.

But if he did, he’s not in Australia.

Sources there have confirmed that to the Australian, that country’s national newspaper, which has been working in partnership with The Palm Beach Post on this story.

[...]

The sources in Australia told the Australian that since Bennett — a British citizen who additionally got Australian citizenship in the fall of 2013 — left Australia last year, neither he nor the child, who relatives said was born in July 2016, has entered that country.

The Post has been unable to reach Bennett, 40.

[...]

The FBI has so far refused to address any inquiries, either general or specific, beyond its initial confirmation on May 26 that it and the Coast Guard were conducting a “missing person investigation.”

Neither agency has said whether Bennett is a target of their investigation or even if they suspect foul play. But last week, the condo’s front door was sealed with yellow FBI evidence tape. That still was the case Thursday.

 

[bears10]

Yes, but given that famiy/news media are basically accusing him of murder, in his situation (if I was innocent), I'd contact a good lawyer and media spokeman, to issue a statement to some effect...grieving, confident will be cleared of all suspicion, best interests of my daughter...Not just silence.

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Even if he's with his parents, I would consider him "in hiding" until he makes a statement. Not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with it, but if he chooses to run away as opposed to making at least one statement, I would consider him being in hiding regardless of where he is and who he's with.


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