GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[mobeydick]

What makes you think this? And how does this make a difference in the outcome here?
I understand that you think that there was something that happened to make this man feel threatened, but what do you really think happened here?
I think someone had too much to drink and overreacted. I truly don't believe he pulled up to a convenience store and decided he had had enough of "young punks" and decided to unload on them. It was a situation where someone overreacted to an imagined threat and he should answer to that.

The fact that he left and didn't call LE, then had to be arrested much later, supposedly getting ready to turn himself in, shows he knew he was in the wrong. Alcohol and guns are a deadly combination. That is my take on what happened. Sucks for all involved.:seeya:

I think the music was so loud the shooter had to scream to be heard, that could have been interpreted by the "Teenagers" as "Disrespect" which being teenagers they have yet to earn!

This is what I think/believe happened
The shooter pulled up the CS, there was loud music playing, he asked loudly could they turn it down. Teenagers being teenagers baulked and showing their respect for everyone else in the parking lot most likely turned the music louder. At least one more verbal exchange took place, and one of the teens threatened death on the shooter and then represented (something) the means to do what he threatened. He was bluffing; the shooter wasn’t/didn’t need too.

Alcohol/drugs (same thing) could have played a role on both sides who knows. It could have made either side overreact.

There is no one on this earth that will ever convince me that at least one of the “teenagers” didn’t become belligerent and threaten the shooter. I say that because the odds are in my favor. 5 people in a confrontation and 1 gets belligerent chances are one in five of any one person. Four teenager’s one adult. You do the math. The shooter leaving doesn’t sway my opinion one way or the other. Shock at what just happened, You just can’t tell what people will do in that situation.

Yep it’s a bad situation for all involved, I’m 100% sure the teenagers wish they would have went someone where else that evening and the shooter the same.

 

[songline]

An old man, in another case, did pick on a group of teenagers for skateboarding and when an adult stood up for the teenagers, the adult man was shot and killed. Carrying a gun usually makes people feel a little bit better about confronting any group of people.

MOO

If they do not carry a gun they can’t use it. Going to his son’s wedding with a gun :waitasec:
This guy does not sound right at all.
#1 is you call 911 after you empty your gun out on a bunch of kids.
#2 you don’t leave the scene – anyone who is talking in behalf of the shooter IMO is working on changing public perception, yes working for the shooters team.

MY OPINION and I wont change it.

 

[ScubaTwinn]

RSBM~

Regardless of whether it's distracting/annoying/obnoxious to others? Not really asking in connection with whether it justifies an altercation, but if someone was blasting head banger music top volume say, driving down my street at night, I would think that was extremely rude and thoughtless.

Not trying to personalize the convo, but since you put it out there....

I try not to be annoying to others. Never at night nor in neighborhoods.

 

[mobeydick]

If they do not carry a gun they can’t use it. Going to his son’s wedding with a gun :waitasec:
This guy does not sound right at all.
#1 is you call 911 after you empty your gun out on a bunch of kids.
#2 you don’t leave the scene – anyone who is talking in behalf of the shooter IMO is working on changing public perception, yes working for the shooters team.

MY OPINION and I wont change it.

Go to Jacksonville Fl., Murder rate 4 times that of NYC, Yes, I carry at least 1 firearm and so does my gf. regardless of the reason for going. That’s what we do and it's not going to change.

Talk about trying to sway public perception. Portraying these “teenagers” as golden children when in fact clearly they are public nuisance at best.

 

[ScubaTwinn]

If you were in a parking lot and were asked to turn it down, what would you do?

Yes, I would.

 

[Donjeta]

People can be public nuisances and still have a right to live. You do not have to be a golden child to deserve not to get shot. JMO.

 

[mobeydick]

People can be public nuisances and still have a right to live. You do not have to be a golden child to deserve not to get shot. JMO.

Old people don't deserve to be threatened with death either. Old people have just as much right to live as "Teenagers" be they 45 or 28 years old!

 

[Donjeta]

Old people don't deserve to be threatened with death either. Old people have just as much right to live as "Teenagers" be they 45 or 28 years old!

I do agree but it is not known that the young person who died had threatened to kill any old person. At any rate, he did not empty a gun into any old people's cars.

 

[rossva]

People keep questioning why Dunn didn't just move to another area of the parking lot, one further away from the teens. What I have not seen is anyone questioning why the teens were there in the first place. Were they customers of the store, did they have a legitimate reason to be there in the first place, or were they just loitering, being general nuicances?

 

[Donjeta]

People keep questioning why Dunn didn't just move to another area of the parking lot, one further away from the teens. What I have not seen is anyone questioning why the teens were there in the first place. Were they customers of the store, did they have a legitimate reason to be there in the first place, or were they just loitering, being general nuicances?

A car with 17-year-old Jordan Davis and three other teens was parked at the Gate. Schoonover said the driver of the car went into the store to buy something, leaving Davis and two others in the car.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...ters-plea-in-shooting-of-teen-over-loud-music

 

[angelmom]

Old people don't deserve to be threatened with death either. Old people have just as much right to live as "Teenagers" be they 45 or 28 years old!

This is off topic, and maybe it's just because I'm 43, but I don't consider 45 to be "old." When I see posts about an old man being bullied by teenagers I get a mental image of great-grampa wobbling along on his cane.

Mr. Dunn appears to be a vigorous and healthy middle aged man, not some frail creature with a foot in the grave.

My husband is 45, and our sons are 16 & 17. I think of them now as the closest to physical equals they will probably ever be.

Sorry...back to the conversation.

 

[Steely Dan]

This is off topic, and maybe it's just because I'm 43, but I don't consider 45 to be "old." When I see posts about an old man being bullied by teenagers I get a mental image of great-grampa wobbling along on his cane.

Mr. Dunn appears to be a vigorous and healthy middle aged man, not some frail creature with a foot in the grave.

My husband is 45, and our sons are 16 & 17. I think of them now as the closest to physical equals they will probably ever be.

Sorry...back to the conversation.

:goodpost:

 

[JaxFlaGal]

Anybody have any idea when we can expect a document dump?

I've seen several articles that indicate Dunn's next court appearance is scheduled for 12/19, his arraignment. Likely to have limited updates until that time.

Limited info is also available on the Duval County Clerk's office web site in the criminal case section. Please not that site is changing in mid-December, so this link will not be valid after that time. I'll try to find the new one when their new site goes on line.
https://showcase.duvalclerk.com/ViewCaseDetails.aspx?id=10918583&court=0
Michael David Dunn, Case # 16-2012-CF-011572-AXXX-MA

 

[LolaMoon08]

I agree. Totally different worlds. In my world people don't blast music in public--period. It's loud, disruptive, annoying, unproductive and, most importantly, completely unnecessary. I am completely thankful for the respectful world I grew up in and mourn its loss.

In my world, a bunch of kids blasting music doesn't bother me. Heck, anyone of any age blasting music wouldn't bother me (plenty of adults blast music too). Especially to the point where I unload a gun into their car.

I have also been known to blast music. A good Whitney Houston song is a perfect example. I consider it a public service as I am sure my voice would be much more annoying, loud, disruptive, unproductive and more importantly, completely unnecessary. Christmas music tends to send my volume up too. So yes, I am guilty of turning up the volume of my music.

I also do not get annoyed when I walk into a department store and they are blasting music. Some music is even in languages I do not understand.

I also do not get annoyed when the bar in the plaza across the street has a loud live band playing so loud that I can hear it from my house. I actually enjoy it.

I also do not get angry when they have those pageants in the mall blasting music and a bunch of 6-year-old's dressed like 21-year-olds are "popping and locking" like it's no one's business in front of the whole mall.

Last night, I went to one of our wonderful outdoor malls here and there was a live band playing their music in the middle of the mall. Extremely loud! And it wasn't Christmas music. Everyone loved it. Kids, teens, adults, elderly, black, white, hispanic, asian, etc...

I also do not get angry or annoyed when my neighbors play their music loudly. Again, in languages I do not understand, a band that practices three times a week, rock, rap, new age, classical, etc... I enjoy all music.

So, yes, in my world, I do not get angry over such trivial things as loud music.

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

This is off topic, and maybe it's just because I'm 43, but I don't consider 45 to be "old." When I see posts about an old man being bullied by teenagers I get a mental image of great-grampa wobbling along on his cane.

Mr. Dunn appears to be a vigorous and healthy middle aged man, not some frail creature with a foot in the grave.

My husband is 45, and our sons are 16 & 17. I think of them now as the closest to physical equals they will probably ever be.

Sorry...back to the conversation.

I do not consider 45-years-old "old" either. So, I agree 100% with this entire post.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I also would like to know exactly how loud the music was? Did they have any enhancements to the stereo system in the car they were driving? Not saying that standard systems can't be loud too, but I would like to know if there were any extra speakers, etc... I am not doubting that the music was loud, but would like to know if "blasting" their music is the right word to use or was it more the type of music that annoyed Mr. Dunn more than the total volume?

 

[Donjeta]

In the grand scheme of things I am more annoyed by people who shoot each other dead than music. I've yet to hear such loud music blasting from a radio that I couldn't survive.

 

[dsntslp]

Surveillance systems in convenience stores are intended to protect against robbery and internal theft. The cameras typically cover the interior, the front door, and the back door.

If this happened a ways away from the main doors there probably isn't any video, the cameras focus on the store not the parking lot. Convenience stores are mostly owned by smaller franchisees not corporations like WalMart that worry about parking lots and huge outdoor areas.

Some of the gas stations here, that I have requested video from for investigations, have actually taken their outdoor cameras down. They say that because most pumps are prepay with debit/credit or go inside to pay before you can pump gas that there is no reason to monitor the pumps as drive-offs are virtually non-existent now.

 

[Karmady]

In my world, a bunch of kids blasting music doesn't bother me. Heck, anyone of any age blasting music wouldn't bother me (plenty of adults blast music too). Especially to the point where I unload a gun into their car.

I have also been known to blast music. A good Whitney Houston song is a perfect example. I consider it a public service as I am sure my voice would be much more annoying, loud, disruptive, unproductive and more importantly, completely unnecessary. Christmas music tends to send my volume up too. So yes, I am guilty of turning up the volume of my music.

I also do not get annoyed when I walk into a department store and they are blasting music. Some music is even in languages I do not understand.

I also do not get annoyed when the bar in the plaza across the street has a loud live band playing so loud that I can hear it from my house. I actually enjoy it.

I also do not get angry when they have those pageants in the mall blasting music and a bunch of 6-year-old's dressed like 21-year-olds are "popping and locking" like it's no one's business in front of the whole mall.

Last night, I went to one of our wonderful outdoor malls here and there was a live band playing their music in the middle of the mall. Extremely loud! And it wasn't Christmas music. Everyone loved it. Kids, teens, adults, elderly, black, white, hispanic, asian, etc...

I also do not get angry or annoyed when my neighbors play their music loudly. Again, in languages I do not understand, a band that practices three times a week, rock, rap, new age, classical, etc... I enjoy all music.

So, yes, in my world, I do not get angry over such trivial things as loud music.

MOO

I was talking about the disrespect of the "annoyer" not the reaction of the "annoyee." Sometimes loud music is fine and, in context, is not likely to annoy anyone. Other times it's not. We seem to have lost our natural ability to distinguish between the two -- or at least we don't seem to care as much. I see it as an overall increase in anti-social behavior, maybe do to increased self-centeredness that we certainly do foster in our children far more than ever before. Speaking generally.

 

[LolaMoon08]

In the grand scheme of things I am more annoyed by people who shoot each other dead than music. I've yet to hear such loud music blasting from a radio that I couldn't survive.

Last night, when I was at the mall here, my sister and I sat outside a restaurant so we could better listen to the live music. I enjoyed watching all the people enjoying their shopping and stopping to relax and rock out to the band. They played a mixed genre of rock/rap type songs. They were really good and I regret not going up to them and asking if they sold CD's of their music.

The best part was watching the children. All races and ethnic backgrounds were playing on the little play area across from the restaurant I was at. At times, the children would dance to the music with one another. Especially when a certain beat pleased them. So cute!

Made me wish adults could act as mature as children. :rocker: