GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[Donjeta]

Wow, there's a lot of rage in this man.

In another letter, Dunn explains what is happening inside the Duval County Jail. "The Jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these **** idiots when they're threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior," wrote Dunn.

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Once in the car, she said, "I asked him what happened. That's what I said. I said, what happened? And he said, I shot at the car."

"I said, what car? And he said, the one with the music. And I said, why? And he said, because they threatened to kill me," she said. "He just said he asked them nicely to turn down their music. One of them in the car turned it down. Then somebody in the car said 'we don't have to turn our music down for that a**hole'."

She said she asked Dunn if anyone was hurt. He said no. It wasn't until the next morning when they saw the news that Jordan Davis was killed in the confrontation.

But instead of calling police, she said it was her idea for them, and their dog Charlie, to go back to Satellite Beach. "We need to get home. We need to get Charlie taken care of and then we can go talk to police."

That's where Dunn was taken into custody. Now, he's in jail, awaiting trial for murder.

While she says Dunn repeatedly told her he feared for his life that night, Rouer says he never mentioned seeing a gun.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-of-Michael-Dunns/25QqZnOP2UmXww57m-4O7A.cspx

"Their music starts and I roll down my window, and I thought I was polite, and asked them nicely, hey would you guys mind turning that down?"

Dunn says the teens did at first, but through a closed window, he could tell one of them was upset. That's when he says things started to heat up.

"I thought they were singing, but [then they said] you're going to die [expletive removed]. Then it started getting a little louder. That's when I popped my window down and was like, 'You're talking about me?' And they was like you're dead. You're dead [expletive removed]!"

Dunn says he thought one of the teens had a shotgun.

"It was either a barrel or a stick but, sir, they're like we're going to kill you and then they said, 'you're dead [expletive removed].' What I should have done was put the car in reverse, but that shotgun come up or whatever it was - fight or flight - and I don't think there was time for flight at that moment because I was going to get shot."

Dunn says he grabbed his gun from his glove box and shot at the SUV four times. As the teens drove away, he says he fired four more times. Then, he and his girlfriend drove to their hotel and ordered pizza. The next day, they drove to his home in south Florida.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...dered-pizza-after/2F7co9ecMkGfqX4jz_iw5Q.cspx

There was no time to leave before getting shot but plenty of time to find a gun from the glove compartment before getting shot. Why didn't they shoot back?

 

[tlcya]

Wow, there's a lot of rage in this man.



http://www.news4jax.com/news/letter...ased/-/475880/22479284/-/qf4s66z/-/index.html


http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-of-Michael-Dunns/25QqZnOP2UmXww57m-4O7A.cspx



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There was no time to leave before getting shot but plenty of time to find a gun from the glove compartment before getting shot. Why didn't they shoot back?

I am going to hazard a guess that the reason was, there was no gun with with to do so. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there was a gun or anything that Mr. Dunn THOUGHT was a gun and he failed to mention it in his excited utterances to his girlfriend.

 

[gxm]

I am going to hazard a guess that the reason was, there was no gun with with to do so. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that there was a gun or anything that Mr. Dunn THOUGHT was a gun and he failed to mention it in his excited utterances to his girlfriend.

That's been my view all along. Who would sit there holding a gun on Dunn yet give him time to go to his car, get his gun and then not fire back when he starts shooting? The kids never had a gun, which is why they panicked and fled when Dunn opened fire. This case really gets to me. There was absolutely no reason for Jordan Davis to die.

 

[tlcya]

Have just finished reading all his jail letters as released by DA. They pretty much told me what I thought they would.

I find the redacted ones to his girlfriend the most interesting though as the redactions seem to occur right after he appears to be attempting to "remind" her about their conversations immediately following the shooting incident. Coaching perhaps? makes one wonder. MOO IMO JMOO and all that jazzy jazz.

 

[MeeBee]

There was no time to leave before getting shot but plenty of time to find a gun from the glove compartment before getting shot. Why didn't they shoot back?

Not only that, but he shot again as the kids were driving away four more times? Yeah, sounds like he was really scared. The only reason to do that, in addition to reaching for a gun instead of putting your car in reverse, which surly would have been quicker, is if you're looking to kill.

 

[Sherp]

That's been my view all along. Who would sit there holding a gun on Dunn yet give him time to go to his car, get his gun and then not fire back when he starts shooting? The kids never had a gun, which is why they panicked and fled when Dunn opened fire. This case really gets to me. There was absolutely no reason for Jordan Davis to die.

I don't think they were kids. Davis was 17 which is an almost adult as were two of the others in the car while the driver of the car was 20 and on probation. Interacting with strangers is never good in this day and age even with 3 companions with a middle age man. We have no idea what people can and will do.

 

[Sherp]

Have just finished reading all his jail letters as released by DA. They pretty much told me what I thought they would.

I find the redacted ones to his girlfriend the most interesting though as the redactions seem to occur right after he appears to be attempting to "remind" her about their conversations immediately following the shooting incident. Coaching perhaps? makes one wonder. MOO IMO JMOO and all that jazzy jazz.

Did Dunn express racist thoughts and opinion in the letters? What did the letters tell us about Dunn?

 

[flourish]

I don't think they were kids. Davis was 17 which is an almost adult as were two of the others in the car while the driver of the car was 20 and on probation. Interacting with strangers is never good in this day and age even with an older middle age man with 4 in the car. We have no idea what people can and will do.

An "almost adult" isn't an adult by its own definition.

In any case, the definite "adult" in this situation started, and ended, the interaction, and continues to prove himself a hot-headed bigot. IMO

True, you never know when some power hungry <unusual person> is going to whip out their gun and shoot over some stupid issue like not being able to deal with loud music for the few minutes it takes for a convenience store transaction. Dunn isn't getting much precious silence these days.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/jury-s...rial/-/475880/24252716/-/56wuh6z/-/index.html

 

[tlcya]

Did Dunn express racist thoughts and opinion in the letters? What did the letters tell us about Dunn?

I know what they told me but only you can know what they tell you. Recommended reading. IMO

 

[Sherp]

I know what they told me but only you can know what they tell you. Recommended reading. IMO

I am interested in this trial, but not interested enough to read jail house letters. Do we have Cliff notes on them or a summary? :jail:

 

[Sherp]

An "almost adult" isn't an adult by its own definition.

In any case, the definite "adult" in this situation started, and ended, the interaction, and continues to prove himself a hot-headed bigot. IMO

True, you never know when some power hungry <unusual person> is going to whip out their gun and shoot over some stupid issue like not being able to deal with loud music for the few minutes it takes for a convenience store transaction. Dunn isn't getting much precious silence these days.

Davis and the other late teenagers were closer to being an adult then a kid or child. Sure, many things start over stupid issues resulting in a tragedy. The core of the these stories is don't interchange with strangers and put ourselves in a dangerous position. I have no doubt that the 4 thought they could push around a middle aged man with impunity. It's an unpredictable, violent world out there. How do we know who is carrying a gun to back up their play?
Actually, generally the jails and prisons are fairly quiet. The COs don't like noise.

 

[gxm]

I don't think they were kids. Davis was 17 which is an almost adult as were two of the others in the car while the driver of the car was 20 and on probation. Interacting with strangers is never good in this day and age even with 3 companions with a middle age man. We have no idea what people can and will do.

I apologize for the terminology. At my age, I often call 20-somethings "kids" and mean no disrespect. I realize that they are young men. But at 17, I still consider Jordan a teenager.

 

[Donjeta]

I am interested in this trial, but not interested enough to read jail house letters. Do we have Cliff notes on them or a summary? :jail:

A few quotes here:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/letter...ased/-/475880/22479284/-/qf4s66z/-/index.html
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...Letters-from-jail/OQVxUk-BIUihecd6l1PRDQ.cspx

 

[gxm]

http://news.wjct.org/post/listen-experts-weigh-jury-selection-begins-michael-dunn-murder-trial

Link includes discussion on the case.

 

[MeeBee]

Davis and the other late teenagers were closer to being an adult then a kid or child. Sure, many things start over stupid issues resulting in a tragedy. The core of the these stories is don't interchange with strangers and put ourselves in a dangerous position. I have no doubt that the 4 thought they could push around a middle aged man with impunity. It's an unpredictable, violent world out there. How do we know who is carrying a gun to back up their play?
Actually, generally the jails and prisons are fairly quiet. The COs don't like noise.

I feel you don't really know too much about this case to be saying what you're saying. Why is the responsibility on the teens in this case to not interact with strangers? What about the grown, middle aged man who got out of his car, walked up to a car of KIDS and demanded they turn the music down in the parking lot of a gas station (not even his home or private property)? And then, when he was back in his car and the KIDS possibly said something to him (we'll find out as the witnesses were called what really happened. Davis told his friend to turn the music back up after the friend turned it down and that could have been the trigger for Dunn. Who knows?) and instead of throwing it into reverse and flooring it, reaches across into his glove department, grabs his gun and fires at a non-firing vehicle. Then fires again four times as they are driving away. How can you say that you have no doubt the kids thought they could just push around an old man when the old man began the non friendly interaction in the first place then turned it violent then fled the scene?

I also suggest you read a little about the victim instead of defending the old, drunk racist. From everything I have read, Jordan was a good kid, a good student and a loved son and friend with no criminal history and a good record at school. Even if he did mouth off a little that night (which I can understand) he did not deserve to die.

Also, if you really want to know what's in the letters and would like to interpret them for yourself, then just read them. Reading up on the thing you're commenting on helps to make informed opinions and posts.

 

[flourish]

Davis and the other late teenagers were closer to being an adult then a kid or child. Sure, many things start over stupid issues resulting in a tragedy. The core of the these stories is don't interchange with strangers and put ourselves in a dangerous position. I have no doubt that the 4 thought they could push around a middle aged man with impunity. It's an unpredictable, violent world out there. How do we know who is carrying a gun to back up their play?
Actually, generally the jails and prisons are fairly quiet. The COs don't like noise.

The young ones aren't the ones who started an altercation here. Saying you figure they thought they could push around a middle aged man implies they were somehow the aggressors when that simply isn't the case.

It's frustrating when admittedly uninformed opinions are offered without the willingness to actually do the research and reading.

Yes, the jail letters contained statements that, IMO, could easily be construed as bigoted, ignorant, and/or racist.

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[Sherp]

The young ones aren't the ones who started an altercation here. Saying you figure they thought they could push around a middle aged man implies they were somehow the aggressors when that simply isn't the case.

It's frustrating when admittedly uninformed opinions are offered without the willingness to actually do the research and reading.

Yes, the jail letters contained statements that, IMO, could easily be construed as bigoted, ignorant, and/or racist.

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This case is going to a Court of Law for a jury of Dunn's peers to decide the truth of the matter in this sad event including but not limited to who was the aggressor. His Civil Rights include a presumption of innocence till proven guilty and that has not happened to date. My opinion is as good as anyone else and as informed with what we all know now. Dunn says he shot in self - defense and maybe he did.
We'll see when all the evidence comes out and the jury has a verdict.

 

[Sherp]

I feel you don't really know too much about this case to be saying what you're saying. Why is the responsibility on the teens in this case to not interact with strangers? What about the grown, middle aged man who got out of his car, walked up to a car of KIDS and demanded they turn the music down in the parking lot of a gas station (not even his home or private property)? And then, when he was back in his car and the KIDS possibly said something to him (we'll find out as the witnesses were called what really happened. Davis told his friend to turn the music back up after the friend turned it down and that could have been the trigger for Dunn. Who knows?) and instead of throwing it into reverse and flooring it, reaches across into his glove department, grabs his gun and fires at a non-firing vehicle. Then fires again four times as they are driving away. How can you say that you have no doubt the kids thought they could just push around an old man when the old man began the non friendly interaction in the first place then turned it violent then fled the scene?

I also suggest you read a little about the victim instead of defending the old, drunk racist. From everything I have read, Jordan was a good kid, a good student and a loved son and friend with no criminal history and a good record at school. Even if he did mouth off a little that night (which I can understand) he did not deserve to die.

Also, if you really want to know what's in the letters and would like to interpret them for yourself, then just read them. Reading up on the thing you're commenting on helps to make informed opinions and posts.

I suggest we all wait to see the evidence in a Court of Law. Right now all we got is our own opinions based on some knowledge of the tragedy published by media. Of course, it is a discussion board where people exchange opinions, particularly when we don't have the facts yet. I think we all know what is out there at this time including a presumption of innocence till proven guilty which has not happened cause we have not had the trial yet.

 

[daisy7]

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -

In the first day of jury selection Monday in the Michael Dunn trial, 36 potential jurors were excused and dozens more were sent home early but asked to return at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday.

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Just before 11 a.m. Monday, Judge Russell Healey began addressing potential jurors, telling them they would be sequestered during the trial, which could last up to two weeks. Healey also issued orders Monday to keep the jurors' identities confidential.

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