GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #1

[angelmom]

Shotgun Report at Center of Florida Shooting Cas

“There wasn’t a gun,” Mr. Davis said in an interview. “They were just kids, 17-year-old kids. They have never been in trouble. The kids had no weapon, they had no drugs in the car.”

He said that Mr. Dunn, 45, who lives three hours south of Jacksonville in Satellite Beach and was in town for his son’s wedding, is trying to bolster a self-defense claim by placing a weapon in Mr. Davis’s son’s hands. Mr. Davis said he was told by a detective who questioned Mr. Dunn after his arrest in Satellite Beach that Mr. Dunn did not mention the threat of a gun in the interview. The police would not comment on the case.

“The detective told me that they interviewed him down there,” Mr. Davis said, adding that he did not want to name the detective. “There was no mention of a shotgun. The detective told me they checked and searched the car my son was in and no weapons were found in the car, no drugs were found in the car and no weapons were found in the area. He is trying to create that smokescreen.”

full article at link .................. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/us/shotgun-report-central-in-florida-shooting-case.html?_r=0

Unless LE denies this, then I'm done with Mr. Dunn. Even if you could tie yourself into knots defending this guy and giving him the benefit of the doubt about firing into a car of kids, about leaving the scene, about fleeing the city, about not calling for help (maybe Jordan could have been saved if an ambulance had arrived a minute sooner!)...how does anyone believe that when LE rolls up on your house and asks you about this do you not say, "It was self-defense! They pointed a shotgun at me!" if it were true. How is that not the very first thing out of your mouth? I would be shouting it from the rooftops.

It's the thing little kids learn practically from birth - "He started it!" - and never completely outgrow.

If he really didn't mention the shotgun until his lawyer got involved, then that is CASE CLOSED.

IMHO, JMO, etc. :moo:

 

[Isabelle]

Unless they get a Pinellas 12, that can't possibly sit well with a jury. That, to me, shows that he was running from an act he knows was illegal.



BBM

If that's true then that's another nail in his coffin at trial. Already things aren't looking good for<modsnip>



BBM

I don't accept that as an excuse. The death of a parent isn't a reason to break the law. There are a lot of young men who experience the death of a parent early on in life. It's tragic. Most of them, IMO, don't turn to cime. JMO

I'm convinced Dunn's attorney came up with the idea of the shotgun!

 

[Isabelle]

Has Dunn's girlfriend spoken?

 

[tlcya]

http://www.jacksonvilledefense.com/Attorneys/

Mitch Stone, a 1988 graduate of the University Of Florida College Of Law, and partner of Stone Lockett, P.L., a Jacksonville-based law firm specializing in State and Federal criminal defense in North Florida. Mr. Stone is Board Certified in Criminal Trial Law and is AV rated. He has been recognized for his work in the areas of criminal defense, DUI defense and white collar criminal defense by being named in Super Lawyers Publication, Florida Trend's Legal Elite, Jacksonville Magazine's Leading Lawyers and in the Martindale-Hubbell Bar Register of Preeminent Lawyers. He is a former Assistant State Attorney and has specialized in criminal defense since 1992. He has conducted over 150 criminal jury trials to verdict in both Federal and State court.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Michae...rney/-/475880/17610224/-/105mett/-/index.html

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -
As family members of 17-year-old Jordan Davis mourn his death, the man accused of killing him is building his case. That includes the addition of one prominent local attorney, Mitch Stone, who has had success using the "stand your ground" defense.

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"He knows 'stand your ground' well, and he will do a fine job of presenting it to the court with the facts that he had," Nichols said. "Unfortunately for Mr. Stone, the facts today will not lend themselves very easily to the 'stand your ground' defense." <defense attorney Gene Nichols who is not involved in this case>

 

[gxm]

I'm really dismayed at the focus on race in this case. It seems to me that pretty much any time someone empties a gun into a car packed with passengers, it's a tragedy that should never have happened, regardless of the ethnicity of the shooter or the victims.

 

[fran]

ATTENTION PLEASE!

Could we please stay on topic of this thread and not interject other cases that have nothing to do with this tragedy at hand. This isn't a racial issue and has nothing to do with any particular race based organizations.

This is about Michael Dunn who fired into an occupied SUV and killed 17yo Jordan Davis.

TIA
fran

 

[tlcya]

does anyone know is attorney Robin Lemonidis still counsel for Mr. Dunn in addition to attorney more recently hired named Mitch Stone? TIA

I ask because Ms. Lemonidis was awfully quick to get in front of the camera and start making statements about SUVs loaded with black teens and shotguns being brandished. She seems green to me and I do not think her making those statements helped Mr. Dunn much. I am wondering if she is still associated with the case or has been replaced by this other gentleman.

 

[Hatfield]

Has Dunn's girlfriend spoken?

I would like to know the timing of when the other people got back into the cars. It wasnt clear to me of the timing of how the other people who went into the stores ever got back into the vehicles. Did they get to witness anything?

Like, how did Mr. Dunn even get his girlfriend back into the car and the other person who went into the store....When did he come back?

Maybe those 2 were still in the store during the shooting and didnt see anything. If they didnt see anything, then they may not be able to help corrobate any witness testimony.

I hope there are other witnesses who can testify what occurred. Maybe we will be lucky and another witness saw everything.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I would like to know the timing of when the other people got back into the cars. It wasnt clear to me of the timing of how the other people who went into the stores ever got back into the vehicles. Did they get to witness anything?

Like, how did Mr. Dunn even get his girlfriend back into the car and the other person who went into the store....When did he come back?

Maybe those 2 were still in the store during the shooting and didnt see anything. If they didnt see anything, then they may not be able to help corrobate any witness testimony.

I hope there are other witnesses who can testify what occurred. Maybe we will be lucky and another witness saw everything.

I am happy that the witnesses are not speaking to the media. It sucks for us as we want to know more, but it can really create problems for both the Prosecution and the Defense when they go to the media. The only thing it does is cause a media frenzy and I don't like when that happens as it doesn't help anything. They've made their statements to police and hopefully with the Sunshine Laws, we can get them soon and get a better timeline going.

 

[Hatfield]

I am happy that the witnesses are not speaking to the media. It sucks for us as we want to know more, but it can really create problems for both the Prosecution and the Defense when they go to the media. The only thing it does is cause a media frenzy and I don't like when that happens as it doesn't help anything. They've made their statements to police and hopefully with the Sunshine Laws, we can get them soon and get a better timeline going.

Great points.

I think shows like JVM + NG have made us impatient. I know for me it has. I want the trial over yesterday...LOL

 

[mobeydick]

13 Cleveland Police officers shoot 137 rounds killing a man and woman, Police said they saw a gun, NO GUN WAS FOUND! It happens!

 

[flourish]

13 Cleveland Police officers shoot 137 rounds killing a man and woman, Police said they saw a gun, NO GUN WAS FOUND! It happens!

I'm missing the connection? "Police said they saw a gun," is that one police officer or multiple? There aren't any police officers witnessing the alleged shotgun here...?? Care to elaborate?

 

[mobeydick]

I'm missing the connection? "Police said they saw a gun," is that one police officer or multiple? There aren't any police officers witnessing the alleged shotgun here...?? Care to elaborate?

Just like the shooting in Florida all the facts are not out yet. BUT at least one trained professional police officer said there was a gun. 13 police offices shot 137 rounds, on average that’s more the shooter in Florida. When you start shooting you may was well unload your weapon because one round going down range is as bad as 8/9 or 10.5. Mistakes happen, Maybe just maybe one of the teenagers threatened the shooter and represented he had a weapon and was willing to use it, if one did, it would be justified to use lethal force to end the threat. Just like the police did in Cleveland.

 

[flourish]

Just like the shooting in Florida all the facts are not out yet. BUT at least one trained professional police officer said there was a gun. 13 police offices shot 137 rounds, on average that’s more the shooter in Florida. When you start shooting you may was well unload your weapon because one round going down range is as bad as 8/9 or 10.5. Mistakes happen, Maybe just maybe one of the teenagers threatened the shooter and represented he had a weapon and was willing to use it, if one did, it would be justified to use lethal force to end the threat. Just like the police did in Cleveland.

Trained professional police officer

Mr. Dunn, not a trained professional police officer

Still not seeing the connection? :waitasec:

 

[CatMama3]

Trained professional police officer

Mr. Dunn, not a trained professional police officer

Still not seeing the connection? :waitasec:

Excellent observation.

We don't even know if Dunn has a Conceal Carry License, much less LE training. That would be another reason why he fled TWICE after shooting 8 or 9 times into an SUV full of people in a public place.

Unless FL is as flexible with Conceal Carry as they seem to be with SYG.

 

[fran]

13 Cleveland Police officers shoot 137 rounds killing a man and woman, Police said they saw a gun, NO GUN WAS FOUND! It happens!

The latest headlines for this mentioned case is:

13 Cleveland police officers who fired 137 rounds into car, killing 2, expected to be interviewed by investigators today (videos)



In other words, this is under investigation and no conclusion can be drawn. LE just knows that the two occupants of the car led LE on a high-speed chase, officers arrived and there was a gun battle, leaving two dead and that officers involved in the shooting allege the two deceased had weapons. However, no conclusion can be 100% guaranteed.

The only valid comparison, IMHO, is that the SHOOTER(S) allege they saw a weapon (as their defense for using 'deadly force.)

The subject of this thread, Jordan Davis and the SUV full of teenagers also had no 'evidence' of having a weapon or illegal contraband, other than the self-admitted shooter's claim. The difference is the 'reason' for the shooting is LE-high-speed chase/vs/loud music and ALLEGED weapon. (fact is, no weapon found by LE AGAIN!)

I believe with BOTH cases, no conclusion can be drawn, either for or against a weapon, until LE publishes the results of their investigation.

JMHO
fran

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/12/13_cleveland_police_officers_w.html
13 Cleveland police officers who fired 137 rounds into car, killing 2, expected to be interviewed by investigators today (videos)

 

[CatMama3]

The latest headlines for this mentioned case is:

13 Cleveland police officers who fired 137 rounds into car, killing 2, expected to be interviewed by investigators today (videos)



In other words, this is under investigation and no conclusion can be drawn. LE just knows that the two occupants of the car led LE on a high-speed chase, officers arrived and there was a gun battle, leaving two dead and that officers involved in the shooting allege the two deceased had weapons. However, no conclusion can be 100% guaranteed.

The only valid comparison, IMHO, is that the SHOOTER(S) allege they saw a weapon (as their defense for using 'deadly force.)

The subject of this thread, Jordan Davis and the SUV full of teenagers also had no 'evidence' of having a weapon or illegal contraband, other than the self-admitted shooter's claim. The difference is the 'reason' for the shooting is LE-high-speed chase/vs/loud music and ALLEGED weapon. (fact is, no weapon found by LE AGAIN!)

I believe with BOTH cases, no conclusion can be drawn, either for or against a weapon, until LE publishes the results of their investigation.

JMHO
fran

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Respectfully snipped by me.

I really admire your patience.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Great points.

I think shows like JVM + NG have made us impatient. I know for me it has. I want the trial over yesterday...LOL

Yes. Yes. We are a very spoiled bunch I must admit. :rocker:

I must say that I am surprised that we haven't heard a bigger push for the 911 calls to be released. Usually, the media is all over those and they are released relatively quick.

I wonder whether any calls were made by witnesses during the actual verbal confrontation or were no calls made until shots were actually fired? A lot can be learned from those 911 calls. So they are something I look forward to being released soon.

 

[Tugela]

I'm missing the connection? "Police said they saw a gun," is that one police officer or multiple? There aren't any police officers witnessing the alleged shotgun here...?? Care to elaborate?

One cop thought he saw a gun, and started shooting. The rest heard gunshots and assumed there was a gun, so they started shooting too.

This sort of stuff happens all the time when there is a tense situation and guns are involved.

 

[mobeydick]

Excellent observation.

We don't even know if Dunn has a Conceal Carry License, much less LE training. That would be another reason why he fled TWICE after shooting 8 or 9 times into an SUV full of people in a public place.

Unless FL is as flexible with Conceal Carry as they seem to be with SYG.

Again, FL. Law doesn't require none felons to have a CCL to have a firearm in their vehicle!