GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #5

[MeeBee]

The state is making the claims, accusations, charges he is not claiming anything! The state has the burden of proof.

What exactly do you think the state didn't prove?

 

[atthelake]

Hi everyone! I love jury watch! So the judge has called it a night, eh? Nancy Grace is acting as if they are still deliberating. SMH.

Snoods! You have GOT TO LISTEN to the prosecutor on the Amanda Hayes trial. A couple of us in #websleuths chatroom listened to it last night CONTEMPORANEOUSLY, and the prosecutor not only sounds EXACTLY like Nancy Grace, but uses the same verbiage as Nancy. I thought at any moment she was going to exclaim "Unleash the lawyers!"

You'll :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: if you go to TheTawni Dilly youtubes and listen to Amanda Hayes on the stand with the female prosecutor. It's incredible... really! :seeya:

 

[mobeydick]

Would you have us believe that the man in shackles lied about the license plate number on Dunn's car? Thank goodness that criminal was there, otherwise I do not think an arrest would have ever been made.

The police would have caught up with him. and again I don't believe any of them.

 

[mobeydick]

And if they said no and stared swearing at you, you'd unload a clip in them? I mean, again, it's a gas station, you won't have to deal with it long and you could park father away and roll your window up. I'm of course placing you in Dunn's situation.

If they threaten me and acted as though they were going to carry out that threat, yes I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The state is making the claims, accusations, charges he is not claiming anything! The state has the burden of proof.

No. He has to prove that he was in reasonable fear for his life. Sitting in his car with his gun, Waiting for the wine to come out of the store..

He rolls down his window and asks them to turn it down and they do..

Big time mean kids here.

Then he makes a comment about them talking to him in a way he did not like and shoots 3 times.. Then another 3 times as they are pulling out.. Then another 3 in the tail lights.

And that big shot gun.. and no one shot back.. Huh.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If they threaten me and acted as though they were going to carry out that threat, yes I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

There was no threat. Prove there was.

 

[SuperTmo]

BBM, yes it has, IMO. The problem we have here is not the juries, but that they are following the laws which are way too vague. The way it's written, you don't have to really have been threatened, just "felt" that you were threatened with imminent danger or serious bodily harm. There is no longer a requirement about attempting to retreat (that was A HUGE change). And, you don't have to fight fire with fire. Legally, if you "felt" threatened by a bag of popcorn, based on the statutes, it's legal to shoot and kill the popcorn thrower.

It's beyond ludicrous!!

Isn't there something in there about if a reasonable person would have felt threatened in the same circumstances? Can people really just FEEL threatened, or imagine someone has a weapon and kill them? Should I cap them? I should encourage my deranged ex to move to Florida. He's always running his mouth and intimidating people. Someone there is bound to take him seriously!

I wonder how many murderers will walk free before the rules are changed.

 

[MeeBee]

If they threaten me and acted as though they were going to carry out that threat, yes I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

Oh, did Jordan threaten Dunn?

 

[Spellbound]

Im sorry, I laughed out loud at this. So someone is sitting in their car and listening to it loud... And you actually roll down the window and ask them to turn it down?

Oh boy..

I wonder if it was sinatra blaring if it would have bothered him...

I think if it bothered me so much that I felt I had to ask them anything, I would probably sweetly ask if they had any ear plugs I could borrow :floorlaugh:

 

[mobeydick]

Im sorry, I laughed out loud at this. So someone is sitting in their car and listening to it loud... And you actually roll down the window and ask them to turn it down?

Oh boy..

I wonder if it was sinatra blaring if it would have bothered him...

It could have, Sinatra turned up loud would be just as bad as opera turn up loud!

 

[jaxibear]

No. He has to prove that he was in reasonable fear for his life. Sitting in his car with his gun, Waiting for the wine to come out of the store..

He rolls down his window and asks them to turn it down and they do..

Big time mean kids here.

Then he makes a comment about them talking to him in a way he did not like and shoots 3 times.. Then another 3 times as they are pulling out.. Then another 3 in the tail lights.

And that big shot gun.. and no one shot back.. Huh.

That is my understanding. The person claiming self-defense takes the burden of that claim.

If the defense raised is an affirmative defense (self-defense, entrapment, duress, etc.), the burden is on the defendant to present supporting evidence.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/criminal-trials-who-has-the-burden-of-proof.html

IMHO, there was no supporting evidence of self-defense because I don't believe Dunn.

 

[MeeBee]

That is my understanding. The person claiming self-defense takes the burden of that claim.

[quote If the defense raised is an affirmative defense (self-defense, entrapment, duress, etc.), the burden is on the defendant to present supporting evidence.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/criminal-trials-who-has-the-burden-of-proof.html

IMHO, there was no supporting evidence to self-defense.

Yes, I even remember the judge warning Strolla that he had not proved Dunn's fear for his life. That's when he called Dunn. The defense in no way proved this was self defense.

 

[Jhpuffy]

I live in Jacksonville and I have to say based on some of the comments I've read today I may need to buy my daughter body armor for her 19th birthday next week. :facepalm:

 

[LambChop]

The police would have caught up with him. and again I don't believe any of them.

I believe the most credible witness was the man who was standing beside MD's car when MD grabbed his gun and started shooting. He saw no one outside the SUV and never saw a gun, stick, barrel, nothing come out of that car, just that there was loud music.

Second most credible witness was RR when she said MD never mentioned JD having a gun, just that he was advancing towards him (which we know never happened). After that I'd have to say the two passengers in the SUV who testified about what happened before the shooting. They admitted that JD was "jawing" with MD. But I don't believe they ever said he threatened MD, only that he talked back to MD when MD asked, "Are you talking to me?" After JD answered MD, MD immediately went for his gun. These were in the statements of that night from the passengers in the SUV. jmo

 

[gxm]

Because I have hearing problems to begin with low loud noises hurt me and Yes, I have asked before and I can't think of a time with no one didn't comply. It's a matter of being civil!

I have Meniere's disease, which can be quite painful, and wear hearing aids. I have never asked a stranger to turn down their music in their car. This past weekend, my husband had his friends over for a (very loud) jam session in our front room. And yet I managed not to kill anyone. IMO, "hearing problems" is a lousy excuse for murder.

 

[SuperTmo]

Yea, he obviously looked for a store with a group of four young black males to shoot up that night!

It's weird how you keep reading into everything people are saying.

Of course he didn't look for that gas station for the purpose of shooting up a car full of black kids; nobody said he did. But when he found a car full of black kids listening to music he didn't care for, he started a confrontation with them, blew one of them apart with a 9mm at a reasonably close range, and then defends his actions because they were "thugs."

I'd ask if you were friends with him but I think that's already been covered...

It is strange that you won't believe a kid who was on probation, or a guy who is in jail for theft, over an accused KILLER!

 

[MeeBee]

I believe the most credible witness was the man who was standing beside MD's car when MD grabbed his gun and started shooting. He saw no one outside the SUV and never saw a gun, stick, barrel, nothing come out of that car, just that there was loud music.

Second most credible witness was RR when she said MD never mentioned JD having a gun, just that he was advancing towards him (which we know never happened). After that I'd have to say the two passengers in the SUV who testified about what happened before the shooting. They admitted that JD was "jawing" with MD. But I don't believe they ever said he threatened MD, only that he talked back to MD when MD asked, "Are you talking to me?" After JD answered MD, MD immediately went for his gun. These were in the statements of that night from the passengers in the SUV. jmo

That's why I believe the boys. They were honest about Jordan, admitted he was swearing admitted he had an attitude, admitted they'd seen him that way before. They didn't sugar coat it. They didn't make Jordan a saint. They told it like it was as best as they could. That makes them credible. Dunn made himself a completely innocent little angel who was only asking for the music to be turned down when witnesses say that's not quite true. He has no credibility, so I don't believe what he's saying.

 

[Zuri]

I hope the 3 other kids in the car can go on and live productive, happy lives. It would be sad to think JD died in vain. Maybe that can be his legacy. I feel so badly for his parents. Praying for a just verdict. JMV

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's why I believe the boys. They were honest about Jordan, admitted he was swearing admitted he had an attitude, admitted they'd seen him that way before. They didn't sugar coat it. They didn't make Jordan a saint. They told it like it was as best as they could. That makes them credible. Dunn made himself a completely innocent little angel who was only asking for the music to be turned down when witnesses say that's not quite true. He has no credibility, so I don't believe what he's saying.

Even if you toss out every single witness. Dunn's own words, actions & behavior and lack of ...tells us everything we need to know. Innocent people dial 911. Innocent people that legitimately defended themselves feel remorse even if the situation warranted the use of deadly force. Innocent people just defending themselves don't have a multitude of versions.


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[MeeBee]

Well, that happened. Lol