GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #6

[oceanblueeyes]

That was me and I wasn't saying that they would do it as a revenge verdict regardless of the evidence, or to counteract the verdict he got. I was saying if they felt he was guilty then they aren't going to waiver or compromise, especially if they feel like if they did they'd have another Zimmerman case on their hands. If they followed that case and felt wrong was done then I would think they'd be more inclined to stick to their guns than compromise, which would have been more likely if they'd never heard or followed the Zimmerman case. I think they would be more apt to compromise then, if that makes sense. There's a juror from the Zimmerman trial who now regrets, or at least questions her decisions. There could be some jurors who are thinking they are not going to waiver at all no matter what, when they would if not for the Zimmerman case. IMO.

Hope that makes sense.

Yes, it makes sense but jurors are urged to compromise. And many do come to a compromised verdict.......i.e...compromised down from first degree to second degree. No one is suppose to be so set in their decision they will not listen to what the other jurors have to say or refuses to deliberate further.

Since they haven't come out to say they are hung I do think they are making progress.

IMO

 

[Nymeria]

I was just reading the last page here and skipped over what you were replying to, and was shocked that you would eat pandas for dinner! :floorlaugh:

:giggle:

 

[Melanie]

Okay, if they're planning to eat dinner at the hotel again, we're looking at three and a half hours left for today.

The silence is deafening today.

In all the trials that I've witnessed, this is looking more and more like a dead lock. JMHO.

Mel

 

[Zuri]

Maybe they are at manslaughter. Is there a charge for attempted manslaughter? Does that even exist?

 

[Melanie]

Yes, it makes sense but jurors are urged to compromise. And many do come to a compromised verdict.......i.e...compromised down from first degree to second degree. No one is suppose to be so set in their decision they will not listen to what the other jurors have to say or refuses to deliberate further.

Since they haven't come out to say they are hung I do think they are making progress.

IMO

I agree Ocean. I admit, I didn't listen to the juror instructions -- so maybe that's why it's taking a bit longer. As long as they come to a fair and just decision, I will respect that. Although, I do think the perp is guilty based on testimony.

MOO

Mel

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, it makes sense but jurors are urged to compromise. And many do come to a compromised verdict.......i.e...compromised down from first degree to second degree. No one is suppose to be so set in their decision they will not listen to what the other jurors have to say or refuses to deliberate further.

Since they haven't come out to say they are hung I do think they are making progress.

IMO

I hope you are right and that they are making progress.

I think that they aren't supposed to be so set in their decision, from the beginning in particular, that they won't deliberate, or compromise if they think the person in favor of it has proven their argument. But if they feel strongly about guilt of a certain count then they are not supposed to compromise. This is the law, the jury instructions actually tell them this. You aren't supposed to compromise just because you feel you won't aren't getting anywhere or you don't wanna be that guy. If you compromise, you should have a good reason. If a person feels strongly about his guilt, then they should stick to it, just as a person who feels strongly about his innocence should, if it's sincere.

I'm not saying those people shouldn't deliberate. But if they feel strongly about it, then they shouldn't nor are they allowed to compromise, IMO. And I don't think they will.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Every time I have seen Jordan Davis' parents being interviewed, I have been so impressed by their grace and their eloquence. So thoughtful and sensitive, and they have behaved with such class despite their tragic circumstances. Bon courage!

As the hours tick by, I cannot imagine the angst, pain, stress, and worry, piled on top of the absolute sense of loss the Davis family is feeling right now. :rose:

They never cease to amaze me, as zqtpie so eloquently stated.

I hope they are able to feel the absolute sense of support that is out there as we globally stand, united, in the hope of justice for Jordan Davis. :heartbeat: lease: :grouphug:


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[outofstatelawyer]

This is getting ridiculous. How can this be so clear to us and be taking them so long?
Really, are we going to get a hung jury? Is there some "one" on this jury that thinks it is OK to shoot someone like this?

I really can't believe that anyone is buying that "feared for his life" line. Anyone that falls for this is just looking for a reason to be able to gun people down that they disagree with!

That is my rant and I am sticking to it! Done. Thanks for listening.

Have you ever listened to right wing hate radio? There are many angry white men out there. Couple that with packing heat, and it's a recipe for disaster. Maybe it's because I live in the South and it's just so common. Listening to hours and hours of some screaming talk show host telling you how evil certain groups are, how they are ruining our country and how the regular guy (read: middle aged white guy) is getting the short end of the stick, well that can warp your mind after a while. And what did this Defendant say in that letter he wanted on "his" jury? White men, preferably Republicans. Pretty telling, IMHO.

 

[LambChop]

I can agree with this. They really didn't spend any time on this.

It would have been a mistake in my opinion because it would leave it wide open for defense to look into JD's background. The smallest incident would have been blown out of portion. We've seen it done before. The State made it clear the only reason JD was shot was because he verbally challenged MD and MD did not like it so he shot JD. The less you give to defense about the victim, the better. The victim is not on trial and does not have to prove he did not deserve to die. The spotlight is on MD's behavior and how he reacted to an altercation with a teen whose only weapon was his mouth. That was never sugar-coated by the State. It's not that it doesn't matter who JD was, what matters is he could have been anyone's son, brother or friend and that the end result was a senseless act by a very arrogant man who feels entitled to do what he wants. jmo

 

[Steft50]

Received an alert from the alert number, heart got all hard pumping and stomach did summersault.....sigh...it was a traffic alert!!

 

[marlap]

Received an alert from the alert number, heart got all hard pumping and stomach did summersault.....sigh...it was a traffic alert!!

Yikes!

 

[Jellyworker]

Oh my. This saddens me beyond belief. Unfortunately, I don't think your story is uncommon. I also don't know where/when/how pre-conceptions are going to change. I am so sorry that this happened to you.

In 2002, my husband, 3 kids and I went to Universal Studios in Orlando. On the way home, in the Orlando airport, my husband was pulled aside and searched by the TSA. He had not shaved so he had stubble and has dark German coloring. I guess he could have been mistaken for Middle Eastern(?). Despite the fact that he was traveling with his blonde wife, 2 blonde haired blue eyed children, and a young brunette, browned eyed daughter with barrettes in her hair, he looked suspicious to somebody. I was horrified and I got pissed. It wasn't at just one check point, it was at 3. My husband had been profiled. Fortunately, my husband is very good natured and took it all in stride and has been sure to closely shave every time he is to board a plane. It has never happened again.

That one incident gave me insight into what it must be like for you and others who are judged on appearances alone, unfairly and unjustly. Bravo to you for handling that situation with such grace. A lot of people could learn from you. :seeya:

no. bravo to you for understanding and not thinking we're making it up.

 

[Kensie]

Received an alert from the alert number, heart got all hard pumping and stomach did summersault.....sigh...it was a traffic alert!!

I got the same alert and almost jumped out of my skin.

 

[LambChop]

They could be stuck on the attempted murder of the other three. They also have to consider that. jmo

 

[Soliloquy]

Received an alert from the alert number, heart got all hard pumping and stomach did summersault.....sigh...it was a traffic alert!!

I know. I nearly dropped food in the kitchen when I heard it from the office!!

 

[JLSChook]

John M. Phillips ‏@JohnPhillips 5m
The jury has ordered dinner in. It won't be romantic or candle lit, but may be significant of a decision tonight. #JusticeForJordanDavis

 

[lstric]

I got the same alert and almost jumped out of my skin.

same here

 

[marlap]

John M. Phillips ‏@JohnPhillips 5m
The jury has ordered dinner in. It won't be romantic or candle lit, but may be significant of a decision tonight. #JusticeForJordanDavis

That really does sound like they are close-ish and may try to finish tonight.

Do we know how late they are allowed to deliberate?

I also think it bodes well for not hanging. If they were at roadblock odds, it seems they'd be more likely to work til 5:00, sleep on it, and start again in the morning.

 

[JLSChook]

That really does sound like they are close-ish and may try to finish tonight.

Do we know how late they are allowed to deliberate?

I also think it bodes well for not hanging. If they were at roadblock odds, it seems they'd be more likely to work til 5:00, sleep on it, and start again in the morning.

I'm not sure about how late they will work tonight, I haven't heard anything about that yet. I guess it all depends on how close they really are and what they have left to decide upon.

I hope you're right about them not being a hung jury because my nerves can't take that. Though it would be better than acquittal lease:

 

[MeeBee]

That really does sound like they are close-ish and may try to finish tonight.

Do we know how late they are allowed to deliberate?

I also think it bodes well for not hanging. If they were at roadblock odds, it seems they'd be more likely to work til 5:00, sleep on it, and start again in the morning.

They've been leaving around 7 (I think) but I think they could work later if they wanted to. I remember the Zimmerman jury came back very late, I think 10? Maybe later. We'll see what happens.