GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #8

[turaj]

I was 1/2 asleep listing to juror 4...she mentioned page 25 of the juror instructions being read and discussed in depth and then the 10-2 went to 9-3. Did she say Strolla told them to go back and pay special attention to that page or was that just on their own. Somehow I thought she said that...not matter what I think my assessment of his closing as being very very good was shared by many of the jury?? If only MD was there Strolla would have had a victory.

 

[fran]

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'Loud music' juror: Michael Dunn case not about race
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2014/02/19/5604661/

 

[Isabelle]

What really irritates me is that the defense blamed the cops for not looking for a gun. They didn't know they should be looking for one. Why? Because they had no idea they needed to. Why? Because the only person who claims they had one fled the scene. :banghead:

Agree. Dunn and Rhonda should have been charged with obstructing the investigation because they left the scene.

 

[LambChop]

from what I understand the vote was 9-3 on count one and the three went for the self defense...I am stunned...so consider Jordan Davis had been alone in a car Dunn would have walked after murdering him...I just dont know how those jurors could have sat there that close to this vile creature and not picked up on his lies...I'm sorry but I have to wonder about the jury's intelligence level.

Not exactly. There would have been no gun found if he were alone. jmo

 

[atthelake]

Jordan's parents speak out on GMA http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/parents-of-slain-marietta-teen-jordan-davis-appear/ndTDN/

 

[LambChop]

I'm wondering if the State can now bring in the jailhouse letters with MD referring to other prisoners as "thugs" because he denied saying " music" on the stand. Since it was RR that testified what she heard him say and that the music was playing while she was in the car. This is counter to what MD testified to. jmo

 

[fran]

I just saw Jordan's mom and dad on GMA. What wonderful people!

I don't know how anyone can watch that interview without at least tearing up. I can't even imagine how they feel. Jordan looked like a wonderful boy. I have a grandson who's 17 and I don't know what I'd do if something happened to him. There's still so much ahead of a 17 year old.

What a tragedy.

fran

 

[turaj]

Not exactly. There would have been no gun found if he were alone. jmo

don't understand reply...it is my understanding that merely the fact that he "thought he saw the gun" is enough for self defense and thereby acquittal. It does not matter...there were 3 others but just trying to think about the impact this has on this rampant use of "self defense"...essentially stand your ground while not technically used here has been upheld.

 

[Karmady]

I just saw Jordan's mom and dad on GMA. What wonderful people!

I don't know how anyone can watch that interview without at least tearing up. I can't even imagine how they feel. Jordan looked like a wonderful boy. I have a grandson who's 17 and I don't know what I'd do if something happened to him. There's still so much ahead of a 17 year old.

What a tragedy.

fran

I didn't see the appearance and there's just a photo at the link someone posted. But two things about the article that goes with it. They're STILL talking about SYG even though it wasn't a part of the case at all; and the attorney is stirring the pot about race IMMEDIATELY after the juror who was interview said it wasn't about race at all per Salem's link above.:facepalm:

I didn't realize that Jordan was from Marietta (I used to live there). Does anyone know why he was in Florida? Visiting? Living with Dad?

jmo

 

[Karmady]

don't understand reply...it is my understanding that merely the fact that he "thought he saw the gun" is enough for self defense and thereby acquittal. It does not matter...there were 3 others but just trying to think about the impact this has on this rampant use of "self defense"...essentially stand your ground while not technically used here has been upheld.

I think she means that if he was alone and was shot dead, there would be no weapon found AND no potential that anyone disposed of it. It would still be at the scene if there was one.

jmo

 

[Jax49]

I didn't see the appearance and there's just a photo at the link someone posted. But two things about the article that goes with it. They're STILL talking about SYG even though it wasn't a part of the case at all; and the attorney is stirring the pot about race IMMEDIATELY after the juror who was interview said it wasn't about race at all per Salem's link above.:facepalm:

I didn't realize that Jordan was from Marietta (I used to live there). Does anyone know why he was in Florida? Visiting? Living with Dad?

jmo

He was living with his father.

 

[daisy7]

I was 1/2 asleep listing to juror 4...she mentioned page 25 of the juror instructions being read and discussed in depth and then the 10-2 went to 9-3. Did she say Strolla told them to go back and pay special attention to that page or was that just on their own. Somehow I thought she said that...not matter what I think my assessment of his closing as being very very good was shared by many of the jury??

I am still catching up.... have we seen the full 40 page jury instructions, yet?

 

[daisy7]

I finally caught just little bit of the juror#4 interview a litlle bit ago. Does anyone have a link to the whole interview? I am absolutely appalled that in in initial jury poll, the vote was mostly guilty, with 2 voting innocent and 2 undecided. Then, it ended up with 3 voting innocent and 9 voting guilty. Did they watch the same trial I did???!!!!

 

[ohiogirl]

Agree. Dunn and Rhonda should have been charged with obstructing the investigation because they left the scene.

I don't think they should have charged RR. They needed her testimony to be what it was, and I don't feel they could have afforded to have her clam up on them. jmo:seeya:

 

[Jax49]

I wish the juror who spoke out would have given us a better idea of how the guilty votes were split (between 1st, 2nd and manslaughter).

I'm also curious as to the sex, age, etc., of the 3 who believed Jordan's killing was self defense.

Hopefully other jurors will open up now that one has.

I remember our jury foreman being the only one interviewed and what he told the press was totally out of left field and left me flabergasted. He announced we'd agree that we'd never convict anyone on circumstantial evidence alone. That was so untrue it wasn't even funny.

 

[ohiogirl]

I really hope the DA's who handle this retrial are more up for it than they wre the first time around. maybe, like in the O J trial, they felt they didn't need to put on much of a case as they thought it was obviously murder? Who knows. I know that the DA's did an injustice to Jordan Davis and his family by not emphasizing certain facts that we all felt pushed it to murder and not self defense. I was disappointed in Guy's cross of MD, hopefully he will not be the one doing it next time.
It could be that the defense attorney did a good job of jury selection.

The not guilty jurors are just plain wrong imo. You don't get to shoot people, run away, and then tell people it was because you were afraid. He is a liar, and thank goodness he will be in jail for a long time to come, notwithstanding this mistrial.

I am really disappointed now, knowing what happened. Later all.

 

[gxm]

Yelling and screaming....

Yoikes!

I must admit, if I'd been on that jury I would have been livid at the folks who fell for Dunn's BS testimony… testimony that no other witness, not even his GF, corroborated! JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[popsicle]

Do we know if the prosecution even tried to get any of his letters in? :waitasec: I didn't watch any pre-trial stuff, but was wondering if they tried, but it was determined they were inadmissible? I'll try looking around later if nobody knows.

I just knew someone bought his BS story of self-defense. I'm surprised it was 3! :banghead:

Page 3, number 4 relates to any statements/comments by MD in jail calls and letters etc days, months and a year following the shooting. Judged ruled them inadmissible because they are irrelevant as to his state of mind on that day or whether he acted with a premeditate design to cause Jordan's death.

Statements/comments made on the day of the incident, on the day of arrest or to police officers following the shooting are admissible.

http://www.michaeldunntrial.com/files/83304904.pdf

 

[turaj]

I think Ron Davis is going to do everything in his power to modify this stand your ground law. He is retired from Delta after many years there and hopefully has the time and energy needed to take this fight on. I'm not sure how he got to Florida...they apparently lived in Atlanta most of Jordan's life. Not sure where the mother lives. Bet they wished they had not moved. He is so well spoken but you can feel the fire in his heart to do something now...Jordan's mother is a bit more forgiving but bet she will fight too. They are really impressive people who maybe can make a difference. Anyone that says stand your ground is working as intended is not living in Florida.

 

[popsicle]

I really hope the DA's who handle this retrial are more up for it than they wre the first time around. maybe, like in the O J trial, they felt they didn't need to put on much of a case as they thought it was obviously murder? Who knows. I know that the DA's did an injustice to Jordan Davis and his family by not emphasizing certain facts that we all felt pushed it to murder and not self defense. I was disappointed in Guy's cross of MD, hopefully he will not be the one doing it next time.
It could be that the defense attorney did a good job of jury selection.

The not guilty jurors are just plain wrong imo. You don't get to shoot people, run away, and then tell people it was because you were afraid. He is a liar, and thank goodness he will be in jail for a long time to come, notwithstanding this mistrial.

I am really disappointed now, knowing what happened. Later all.

bbm

The prosecution put on a hella trial with OJ. Mistakes were made yes but geeze, the jury deliberated <4 hrs (includes picking a foreman, reviewing evidence, reviewing jury instructions etc) They didn't even try imo.