Found Deceased FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

[Ray_of_hope]

And this is all speculation by me, but the defense will probably explain the burial as a panic response or a loving act once Logan was aware of what had occurred. And flight might be an expected response from a young, immature minor.
I know that this type of defense is rare and if it's true, may God help him.
However, I am on the fence. I just don't know what to think.

 

[abeaman02]

Yes, this. Would Canada let a 15year old cross the border?

Not driving without a license. If he was in a car with someone else and had the correct paperwork yes. My daughter has gone over with friends and she is 17. I am guessing he saw there was no customs on the American side when crossing over and thought he was good but then right before the actual bridge he saw the sign he would be stopped on the Canadian side and that is when he tried to turn around. Customs is only at the point of entry on each side so when going over to Canada you won't get stopped until on the Canadian side and when entering US you won't get stopped until you are on American soil.

 

[Rayemonde]

I don't know why we would assume that he *didn't* do this. Because his mother says he's a nice boy? Because he's diabetic? Even his protective mother has said that he has been troubled recently and even she seems to think that he killed his grandmother. There's no evidence so far that strangers broke in and killed her.

 

[4truthtoday]

I think it’s a little far fetched to think he didn’t do this


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Really? Why? There’s more to this story. LE protects their own. Wouldn’t that include a child of LE? Would it be necessary for Mom to contact the ACLU if Dad were involved in supporting the son and his rights to council? The facility denied LM access to an attorney. Five days and the street of the Home remains blocked? Too many things do not add up. IMO

 

[Jca2930]

Absolutely.
Not changing your name because you want to stay the same as your kid is one thing. But having another kid that actually lives with you while you're married to their dad is kinda weird if you don't change your name to match THAT kid.
Imo
I think it demonstrates a lot of the WHY

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I don’t think this really matters. And I don’t think it has anything to do with this. I have kids with my first marriage. I have their same last name. I also have a child with my current husband. My child has my husbands last name. I have yet to change my name. And
I honestly don’t know that I will. It has been my name for a long time.


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[Ray_of_hope]

I don't know why we would assume that he *didn't* do this. Because his mother says he's a nice boy? Because he's diabetic? Even his protective mother has said that he has been troubled recently and even she seems to think that he killed his grandmother. There's no evidence so far that strangers broke in and killed her.

I agree. Just speculating on a possible "defense".

 

[4truthtoday]

Some interesting articles for us to discuss:
http://www.denverpost.com/2005/06/13/low-blood-sugar-upheld-as-defense-for-attacker/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ee-20121016_1_kissimmee-dad-killings-daughter

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pdi.854/full?scrollTo=references

As we do not know the details/story of the LM situation it’s a bit difficult to determine if low blood sugar was a factor. The Denver case and Kissimmee cases had several other factors, request to end the marriage, loss of job, family stress, etc. Having several close family members with diabetes, low blood sugar created the occasional bad mood with some bickering over petty grievances but never to the point you feared the diabetic.

 

[4truthtoday]

Kristina was buried in a shallow grave. I can't imagine any intruder or killer worrying about burying anyone. And if it was an intruder or someone known to Kristina or Logan, I would think that Logan would have called 911 in the event he got away.

Not usual behavior for a suspect to attempt to hide a body during a home invasion but I’m thrown by a fact provided by one of the news reports, LE stated there was no blood at the scene. Did the action of her demise take place outside?

 

[MissUnderstood]

I don't think her name has anything to do with how attached she is to her children.

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Me and my two sons all have different surnames. I would hate to think anyone thought that affects the love I have for my children. Moo


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[Ray_of_hope]

As we do not know the details/story of the LM situation it’s a bit difficult to determine if low blood sugar was a factor. The Denver case and Kissimmee cases had several other factors, request to end the marriage, loss of job, family stress, etc. Having several close family members with diabetes, low blood sugar created the occasional bad mood with some bickering over petty grievances but never to the point you feared the diabetic.

I'm looking at it academically, as a defense. We have an MSM article reporting that ""He adamantly denies any involvement in his grandmother's death and he's very upset about it," Dominic Saraceno, a lawyer hired by Mott's family, said." So either someone else did the crime or he blacked out.
There have been many times that we've had to call security when patients have had issues with blood glucose causing them to become combative. It's always when levels are becoming critical. The same is true for other conditions such as hypoxia. While most of the patients were not murderous (with the exception of one psychiatric patient), I'm primarily posing defense theories as I see things heading in that direction.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Not usual behavior for a suspect to attempt to hide a body during a home invasion but I’m thrown by a fact provided by one of the news reports, LE stated there was no blood at the scene. Did the action of her demise take place outside?

Initially the reports I read stated no evidence, but Friday's reports refuted that when they stated that LE found evidence of blood and foul play. "Police say they found signs of foul play, as well as French's car -- a silver Dodge Dart with a Florida tag DLLT42 -- missing."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...where-teen-grandmother-went-missing/494444290


"At one of the family’s residences, authorities found “evidence of foul play and potential criminal violence inside and then late in the day a potential gravesite outside of the property in the backyard,” said Lendvay."

http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/logan-mott-kristina-french-jacksonville-florida-father/

 

[4truthtoday]

I don't know why we would assume that he *didn't* do this. Because his mother says he's a nice boy? Because he's diabetic? Even his protective mother has said that he has been troubled recently and even she seems to think that he killed his grandmother. There's no evidence so far that strangers broke in and killed her.

Unless I’ve missed a post or news report, I don’t recall the Mom stating ‘she thinks’ her son is responsible. Again, where is the Dad? Why isn’t he speaking out in support of his son? The Dad left his son with his Mother and each loved the other. With her professional experience she would have a skill set which provided her knowledge of a) calming LE and b) how to exit if she was in distress. We do not have all the details of the investigation to formulate who was responsible.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm looking at it academically, as a defense. We have an MSM article reporting that ""He adamantly denies any involvement in his grandmother's death and he's very upset about it," Dominic Saraceno, a lawyer hired by Mott's family, said." So either someone else did the crime or he blacked out.
There have been many times that we've had to call security when patients have had issues with blood glucose causing them to become combative. It's always when levels are becoming critical. The same is true for other conditions such as hypoxia. While most of the patients were not murderous (with the exception of one psychiatric patient), I'm primarily posing defense theories as I see things heading in that direction.

I am also an RN, and I have yet to see a person with hypoxia be able to get a gun, load it, and shoot someone, and then drive for three days. Nor anyone with hyper or hypo blood sugar.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I am also an RN, and I have yet to see a person with hypoxia be able to get a gun, load it, and shoot someone, and then drive for three days. Nor anyone with hyper or hypo blood sugar.

Exactly, however I (and it's only my opinion) I see it as the defense. Will be interesting to watch. While my MD husband and I have never seen anyone homicidal (we had quite the discussion), I wanted to do a literature search to see if it has ever been used as a defense before.
The points you bring up will be used by the prosecution, IMOO.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I don't know why we would assume that he *didn't* do this. Because his mother says he's a nice boy? Because he's diabetic? Even his protective mother has said that he has been troubled recently and even she seems to think that he killed his grandmother. There's no evidence so far that strangers broke in and killed her.

Unless I’ve missed a post or news report, I don’t recall the Mom stating ‘she thinks’ her son is responsible. Again, where is the Dad? Why isn’t he speaking out in support of his son? The Dad left his son with his Mother and each loved the other. With her professional experience she would have a skill set which provided her knowledge of a) calming LE and b) how to exit if she was in distress. We do not have all the details of the investigation to formulate who was responsible.

BBM

Dad likely saw the crime scene. Makes it a lot harder to deny reality.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I am also an RN, and I have yet to see a person with hypoxia be able to get a gun, load it, and shoot someone, and then drive for three days. Nor anyone with hyper or hypo blood sugar.

Don't really have an opinion on the blood sugar thing, but just to clarify, no COD has been released, we don't know yet if she was shot.

But a question... if a person (to use crude layman's terms) goes nuts due to hypoxia, what would bring him back to reality? Would he be able to help himself at all in that state? Or would it just get worse without intervention?

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[4truthtoday]

Initially the reports I read stated no evidence, but Friday's reports refuted that when they stated that LE found evidence of blood and foul play. "Police say they found signs of foul play, as well as French's car -- a silver Dodge Dart with a Florida tag DLLT42 -- missing."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...where-teen-grandmother-went-missing/494444290


"At one of the family’s residences, authorities found “evidence of foul play and potential criminal violence inside and then late in the day a potential gravesite outside of the property in the backyard,” said Lendvay."

http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/logan-mott-kristina-french-jacksonville-florida-father/

The car had always been missing. Yes, foul play and criminal activity which may or may not include blood. IMO the spokesperson for the Sheriff’s Office was very nervous providing his report and answering the follow up questions. IMO, the press conference was held on Friday and at no time prior was there any indication/announcement the scene was being treated as a domestic scene. A 15 year old misses two days of school, a GMA misses two days of work, neither are answering their phones and Dad comes home via Uber to an open door, his home ransacked and all the while a death has occurred, a body buried and a teen is in process of driving two mane three days across country and no one notices until Dad unpacks his luggage and sees his gun safe has been “broken into” and that was reported by the Mom. LE is not required to release any details on any investigation, however a 15 year old is missing. Something is amiss and the scene remains secure into its sixth day.

 

[Third Coast Gal]

4truthtiday, are you personally connected to this case?

 

[Jennifer17]

Don't really have an opinion on the blood sugar thing, but just to clarify, no COD has been released, we don't know yet if she was shot.

But a question... if a person (to use crude layman's terms) goes nuts due to hypoxia, what would bring him back to reality? Would he be able to help himself at all in that state? Or would it just get worse without intervention?

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Hypoxia is lack of oxygen to the brain. It does not last for days.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Hypoxia is lack of oxygen to the brain. It does not last for days.

Ok, so low blood sugar = lack of oxygen to the brain???

I know nothing about medical stuff.

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