Found Deceased FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

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Both when he was in court in Buffalo, New York, shortly after his arrest, and in a Duval County courtroom on Wednesday, he was quiet, respectful and polite.

"What he is accused of didn't match up to what we saw briefly," said attorney Rhonda Peoples-Water, who was in court on another case when Mott made his first appearance in Jacksonville.

Psychologist Stephen Bloomfield, who has interviewed many children convicted of violent crimes, said that behavior is not unusual.

"But I have evaluated a large number of the ones who have (been) found guilty of killing someone and they are generally very calm, quiet, pleasant kids," Dr. Bloomfield said.

To me, this case is so similar to Charlie Brandt. If you haven't heard about him, type his name in a search engine or listen to the documentaries on yt. He started at 13 with his Mother and her unborn child (would have killed them all if he could). He was quiet, a good student, from a loving home, etc. His psychologist said he had never been able to understand Charlie. Just pure evil, IMHO.

As far as the small cell he was placed in...it was rather over-sized when compared to the hole in the backyard where his grandmother was stuffed, MOO.

I know that CB's dad fought to get him released from the criminally insane hospital they placed him in, and he was released after only a year, iir. He continued to get away with murdering (I believe they have tied him to 6 at last count), until he killed his wife's niece, his wife and hung himself. A well-educated, soft-spoken man, well thought of...while all the time a serial killer from the age of 13.

I'm not saying this is the case with this young man, but I would never want him to marry my daughter, grand daughter (or anyone I knew, for that matter). These type of murderers don't usually stop, no matter how much counseling they get. If a psychiatrist can't find anything that causes this behavior, it would follow that they can't recommend or administer a cure, IMO.

Praying for a good outcome for everyone involved in this case and everyone who will ever come in contact with this young man.

MOO, JMO
 
Did they change the article? All I see is ...

Not wanting to go into details, French’s friends say she had a troubled childhood, one harder than most. In spite of that, she worked hard to be compassionate and loving.

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And this:

“She was such a gentle soul and that is what makes this tragic for me,” Hudson said as she began to cry. “She survived and not only did she survive, but she thrived and she had an outlook on life that I am not sure I could have the wisdom to obtain in similar circumstances. She was just somebody trying to be a good person and have a good life in light of having difficulties in childhood."


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The article doesn't describe her childhood as horrible and horrid. It briefly says troubled and harder than most. This likely has to due with what would be obvious if you do some math on her age and the age of her son (Logan's father).

But having a son at 15 in the 80's doesn't necessarily make your life troubled and harder than most. I can't find anything that talks about why her childhood was troubled, etc.

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Not wanting to go into details, French’s friends say she had a troubled childhood, one harder than most. In spite of that, she worked hard to be compassionate and loving.

She was such a gentle soul and that is what makes this tragic for me,” Hudson said as she began to cry. “She survived and not only did she survive, but she thrived and she had an outlook on life that I am not sure I could have the wisdom to obtain in similar circumstances. She was just somebody trying to be a good person and have a good life in light of having difficulties in childhood.

… She managed to grow into that person that wanted to be kind, compassionate and help others....
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To my ears, that sounds like more than just a difficult childhood because of money troubles or having a teen pregnancy. It sounds to me, and I could be wrong, that there was physical or emotional or sexual abuse, as there was mention of her 'being a survivor' of her childhood.

It does make me wonder if she had a father or grandfather that had some mental health issues...
 
I realize that Mom disagrees, and prison it is not the best option for a 15yo teen with all of these undiagnosed issues, but it is the only one available. I thiink he is where he needs to be, the cell size is so not even relevant. IMO

According to the article, it's a pretty big cell IMO. The title says 30 square foot but article says 90 square foot.

The Sheriff's Office would not let News4Jax into the jail to see an isolation cell similar to the one in which Mott is being held. In the 90-square-foot cell where Mott is being held, there's a small bed, a toilet, a sink and enough room to do some calisthenics or other exercise. The cell has one window so that corrections officers can see in.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/15-year-old-accused-of-murder-kept-in-30-square-foot-cell
 
https://www.news4jax.com/news/15-year-old-accused-of-murder-kept-in-30-square-foot-cell
Carrie Campbell Mott points to JSO's tweet when her son was returned to Jacksonville saying, "He is being transported to the police station to be interviewed." She doesn't believe an attorney was present for that interview, and keeping him in an adult jail is intimidating.

"Placing Logan in jail when he has no previous violent history and has not been convicted of a crime is just a way to scare and intimidate a 15-year-old child," Campbell Mott, who lives in Missouri, wrote to News4Jax.

Campbell Mott also believes her diabetic son would get better health care if he were in a juvenile facility.

“We found out (his blood sugar) is being tested at the incorrect times," Campbell Mott wrote News4Jax in an email. "He would get better medical care, take classes and interact with kids and be treated as a detainee instead of a prisoner."
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I don't think Mom understands the seriousness of her son's actions. She thinks he shouldn't be treated like a 'prisoner' but like an innocent detainee and should be taking classes with other kids his age, almost like he was in juvie as a runaway.

She is worried that he is scared and being intimidated by the guards. Well, the problem is, prison is scary and the guards are supposed to be intimidating. Reality sucks.

But if a 15 yr old wraps his dead grandmother in plastic and buries her in the backyard, then steals her car and atm card, and tries to flee, he is going to be locked up in adult prison, not juvie, with kids who are skipping school and joyriding with friends.

She doesn't want the authorities to 'question' him. Sorry, but that is going to happen at some point because they need to investigate this case. He was found with her car and wallet and the stolen weapons. He is on video using the atm card.

They have the right to question him at some point. He needs to answer their questions. He can waive his rights to an attorney or he can wait for representation.
 
"He is being transported to the police station to be interviewed." She doesn't believe an attorney was present for that interview.

I hope he has been well versed NOT to talk until his attorney is present.
Is this typical? Do detainees (because that is what he is at this point, he has not been convicted) normally get taken from jail to the police station to be interviewed without their attorneys?
 
"He is being transported to the police station to be interviewed." She doesn't believe an attorney was present for that interview.

I hope he has been well versed NOT to talk until his attorney is present.
Is this typical? Do detainees (because that is what he is at this point, he has not been convicted) normally get taken from jail to the police station to be interviewed without their attorneys?

No one has to be convicted of a crime to be waiting in jail. About half of those waiting for their trials are sitting in jail, waiting to see if they will be convicted or not. The other half are out on bail.

This kid won't get bail, most likely, because he fled for the border in a stolen car.

We don't know if he was interviewed without an attorney. I am sure they taped their interactions with him and early on they would ask him if he wanted to waive his rights to an attorney and tell this his story or if he wanted to wait for an attorney. That is the way it is done.
 
I agree with the comments about mom’s statement but that being said, she is his mother and will be his advocate (right or wrong), and perhaps that’s how it should be. Everyone accused of a crime, guilty or not, deserves a competent defense attorney. Some of them also have mothers. I’m probably not articulating well, but, I don’t hold any ill-will against a mother for advocating for her child. Of course she’s biased and of course she’s emotional, and of course a lot of what she says won’t have any legal merit- she’s a Mom.
 
I agree with the comments about mom’s statement but that being said, she is his mother and will be his advocate (right or wrong), and perhaps that’s how it should be. Everyone accused of a crime, guilty or not, deserves a competent defense attorney. Some of them also have mothers. I’m probably not articulating well, but, I don’t hold any ill-will against a mother for advocating for her child. Of course she’s biased and of course she’s emotional, and of course a lot of what she says won’t have any legal merit- she’s a Mom.

I understand. I am a Mama Bear when it comes to my kids and grandkids.

I just think she is being dismissive of some of his actions. Juvenile Hall was not created for teens that allegedly killed family members in cold blood. I think she should absolutely advocate for him, as she is him mother. But she needs to be realistic as well.

But I do see what you are saying. She is obviously going to be emotional ---who wouldn't be?
 
Entire letter:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/l...teen-accused-of-killing-grandmother/661334657

Here's the unedited letter Carrie Mott send to JSO:

This is Carrie Mott, Logan Motts mother. I've had some serious concerns over Logans medical care and wanted to contact you first. I brought it to Mr. Cofers attention and called the medical line and left a message but never received a call back.

Logan informed me he has not been getting checked overnight for his insulin. This is extremely dangerous. Over 50% of Type 1 diabetes have at least one hypoglycemic episode per week.

Hypoglycemia can happen quickly and when under emotional stress even quicker. At 40 or below a person can be comatose which could lead to death. Logan is asleep and isn't aware of what is going on so he's unable to get help. Logan could also have complications affecting his heart (decreased heart rate, decreased cardio output, myocardial contractinility, blood vessels (stroke, myocardial infarction, acute cardiac failure, ventricular arrhythmia, and brain (seizures, convulsions, coma).

If Logan had his insulin pump this would all be regulated and an alarm would go off if he were getting high or low. We understand why it was taken (although if you've seen the device you would see that there's nothing that could be used to self harm), electing to take that from him means he has to be closely monitored. "Looking in on him" will not accomplish proper monitoring. You can only tell his blood glucose by testing it. Therefore it is critical he is being tested and has some device that monitors him overnight. There are devices that do that out there. Personally, it would be a lot easier on your staff and Logan if he were allowed his pump back. It will monitor him every 5 minutes and send read outs to an online system immediately so it will tell you if he's going dangerously high or low.

Logan told me he is also not being tested correctly (testing too soon and too late after eating is bouncing his insulin all over) this will make him very tired and creates lots of physical issues like nerve problems. Having his blood sugar up and down so much for long periods is dangerous. It creates nerve problems and nerve damage. It also affects his core temperature. He says he is freezing which is a clear sign his insulin is not being controlled properly. He needs to stay warm. Circulation is a serious problem with diabetics. I asked Mr. Cofer to ask for possible thermals under his jumpsuit, extra socks and blankets (I know he has asked), but that still has not happened.

Logan says he's starving. He says they are trying to monitor his diet. Diet has nothing to do with Logans diabetes. He is a type 1, not a type 2. Type one cannot be prevented. Type 2 can be prevented and even stopped with proper diet and exercise.

Starving him is not helping him. No matter what he eats he has to dose. All he needs to know is the amount of carbs and he can dose for it.

It is clear to me that Logans medical needs are not being met. His diabetes is being treated as Type 2 instead of what he has which is Type 1. It is very dangerous to not be monitoring this disease properly. To say that I'm concerned is an understatement.

With all of that being said I want to be clear that I believe the corrections side of JSO is doing the best they can. Logan has said he has been treated properly by everyone in corrections. That is deeply appreciated. This is an awkward situation for everyone. It's a position I believe that the Corrections side should not have been involved in due to the extreme medical precautions, the sensitive nature of this case, your Lt's involvement, and the mere fact that this is a child.

If you can't tell I am very displeased by the Police side. The fact that they have a tendency to place children in jail rather than detention facilities where they are smaller and can medically and psychologically monitor children more carefully is beyond me. The mere fact that the other side literally mean "tweets" and treats detaineees like side show acts publishing every action gleefully like a supermarket tabloid is the most unprofessional sickening national inquirer behavior many have ever seen.

This is a child. A child who has not been tried or convicted and deserves to be innocent until proven guilty and treated as such. He should not be in a jail, he should be in a juvenile facility where he won't need "protective custody" AKA solitary confinement.

This is a child of a brother in blue. With zero criminal history. What has happened to our humanity?

These are issues for the other side. But on your side I would ask that you intervene medically for my child's safety. Logan is in medical danger and I understand it is out of ignorance of his disease but unfortunately the detectives have placed this burden on your faculty and it needs to be taken care of immediately.

I have shown you the respect of only emailing you. I come from a military family and a family in blue. We are avid supporters of police and corrections. It's why I'm so disappointed in what's been done. But I wanted to give you the opportunity to step in. However, this is a serious medical issue and I will have no choice but to run it up the chain if I hear nothing back.

I apologize for you and your officers positions. I can't imagine how hard this is. Trust me, this is very hard on us as well. I've never been so heart broken. Our family is in the deepest pain imaginable. Please understand my intent is good and my only concern is Logan. I'm fighting for my child like any mother would.

Ultimately, I don't believe you all should be in involved in this. Logan should have gone to a juvenile faculty. I place that burden right where it belongs on those detectives. Some people have forgotten there can be compassion along with law enforcement.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,
Carrie Mott
 
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/l...teen-accused-of-killing-grandmother/661334657

Mom says they are not properly monitoring his illness in jail. He is a Type 1 diabetic and they are not monitoring him correctly.
They better get this fixed up. If something happens to him medically because of that, there will be a lawsuit and a big one at that.
He is innocent until proven guilty and though it may be hard to keep that in mind, he needs to have proper medical care while he is in custody.
This isn't about a stuffy nose or a sore shoulder, it's a life and death thing.

I tried to have compassion for his situation, but the my friend called me. She's diabetic. Out of supplies to check her levels, out of insulin because she couldn't afford it this month. Yet she works at Walmart, never committed a crime. I think I'll reserve my compassion for those that deserve it. You know, the low income, with lack of quality health care, hardworkers their entire lives, with no criminal history. The entitled? Good luck to them.
 
I spent two nights in jail. In the summer. It was FREEZING.
It probably is not Logan's insulin issues making him cold.
 
Juvenile facilities aren't just for kids who joy ride or run away. I've worked in one. There were cold blooded killers, rapists, etc. I think it's fair to ask him to be placed in a juvenile facility at least until court says otherwise.
 
Wasn't there a plan to move him to another county's juvenile facility, because of his father's employment as a correction officer in Duval county?
 
Wasn't there a plan to move him to another county's juvenile facility, because of his father's employment as a correction officer in Duval county?

I found where his attorney "hoped" for it but I haven't found anything confirming it so far.

"I would hope that because his father is a corrections officer with the jail, that Duval County will put him in a facility in another county just to avoid any kind of potential conflicts of interest,” Saraceno said.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...an-mott-fight-extradition-grandmothers-murder

Okay I found a copy and paste of an article saying "according to sources" there was an informal agreement but when I go to the link, that paragraph has been removed from the article. I'm guessing the sources weren't credible. This is the link to the updated article. https://www.news4jax.com/news/logan-mott-returned-to-jacksonville-to-face-murder-charge
 
I tried to have compassion for his situation, but the my friend called me. She's diabetic. Out of supplies to check her levels, out of insulin because she couldn't afford it this month. Yet she works at Walmart, never committed a crime. I think I'll reserve my compassion for those that deserve it. You know, the low income, with lack of quality health care, hardworkers their entire lives, with no criminal history. The entitled? Good luck to them.

Each person gets to decide who they have compassion for, so that's cool. This isn't just about compassion, it's about big legal problems if they neglect this kid's medical needs and he has serious complications or dies in his sleep. Especially now that his mother's letter has been made public by MSM. Another factor to remember is that LM has Type1 Diabetes, which is different from Type2. A Type1 diabetic cannot simply go without. They will die.

Like it or not, even the worst of criminals have the legal right to medical care in a correctional facility, per the Constitution.

Some interesting reading at these links, including legal case numbers if you wish to research further.

http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs...aw-enforcement/the-legal-right-to-medical.pdf
You have rights to adequate medical care and equal treatment guaranteed by the Constitution and federal law. The Eighth Amendment to the Constitution—prohibiting “cruel and unusual punishment”—gives convicted inmates the right to adequate medical care. The Due Process Clause to the U.S. Constitution (Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments) gives this same right to pretrial detainees.


https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=36352

ETA: I did have a family member die in custody due to unmet medical needs.
 
I really have no idea but I wonder if the complaints voiced by LM's mother are of legitimate concern or does this possibly mirror lifelong attention-getting learned dynamics by expressing exaggerated or even fabricated woes to the noncustodial parent. I'm not minimizing the seriousness of Type 1 diabetes but I just find it hard to believe he's being neglected in the way the mother suggests, especially considering his circumstances and the employment of his father.

It's been stated for his own safety he's been placed in isolation with no interaction with other prisoners. I don't think a juvenile detention centre would be any safer.


".........“When you have a juvenile, you don’t want that juvenile to have other inmates who are potentially dangerous or angry to have contact with them, so you do typically keep them in isolation away from the other prisoners,” Action News Jax law and safety expert Dale Carson said.

The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said Mott is "housed alone in an isolation cell for his safety.".....

....“The father will be reassigned so he won’t have regular contact,” Mott’s attorney, public defender Charlie Cofer, said. “That’s normal protocol here.”
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/l...used-of-killing-grandma-denied-bond/659783660

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At some point in time it appears it was decided to reassign the father as opposed to place LM in another county jail.
 
Juvenile facilities aren't just for kids who joy ride or run away. I've worked in one. There were cold blooded killers, rapists, etc. I think it's fair to ask him to be placed in a juvenile facility at least until court says otherwise.

On Dec 4, 2017 LM was direct-filed to adult court. Therefore, LM will be held in adult jail and will not be housed in a juvenile facility.
Court document can be viewed here:
https://core.duvalclerk.com/CoreCms.aspx?mode=PublicAccess

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ute&URL=0900-0999/0985/Sections/0985.557.html
The 2017 Florida Statutes
985.557 
Direct filing of an information; discretionary and mandatory criteria.—
[FONT=&amp](1) DISCRETIONARY DIRECT FILE.—
(a) With respect to any child who was 14 or 15 years of age at the time the alleged offense was committed, the state attorney may file an information when in the state attorney’s judgment and discretion the public interest requires that adult sanctions be considered or imposed and when the offense charged is for the commission of, attempt to commit, or conspiracy to commit:
[...]
8. Murder;
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https://www.npr.org/2017/08/15/5426...rect-file-laws-bypass-juvenile-justice-system

LAW
Sentenced To Adulthood: Direct File Laws Bypass Juvenile Justice System
August 15, 201710:30 AM ET
[...]
For more than 30 years he helped prosecute juvenile cases in Orange and Osceola counties, where McKenzie was direct filed. As state attorney, he spent four years having a final say over which cases got sent to adult court.
"When they get direct filed to adult, it's sort of this cruel wake-up call," he says.
[...]

 
Mom acts so concerned now but I read Logan wanted to live with her instead of his dad and she wouldn't let him.Is there a reason she didn't want him in her home with her and her young kids?I wonder if he had some serious issues for a long time.
 
Mom acts so concerned now but I read Logan wanted to live with her instead of his dad and she wouldn't let him.Is there a reason she didn't want him in her home with her and her young kids?I wonder if he had some serious issues for a long time.
Re: I read Logan wanted to live with her instead of his dad and she wouldn't let him.
^^Link please
 
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