Found Deceased FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 50844]

This may sound crazy but I wonder if the mention of making moccasins over the break pushed him over the edge.
For some reason, this really ticked me off. Here he is in turmoil and his mother is talking about making moccasins. Sounds like something better suited for
her younger children and not a 15 year old boy.

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Well, LM and his mom both have Native American heritage, so I'm not sure what is so bad about that. I, personally, find it hard to draw the line from talk of making moccasins to murdering his grandmother.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

This may sound crazy but I wonder if the mention of making moccasins over the break pushed him over the edge.
For some reason, this really ticked me off. Here he is in turmoil and his mother is talking about making moccasins. Sounds like something better suited for
her younger children and not a 15 year old boy.

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Also, there was probably a lot of talk about his Christmas visit and how great it will be for him to see his younger siblings. As a child of divorce, whose father went off to create a new family, I have to admit how painful and irritating it felt sometimes, when he would say, about upcoming visits, how he couldn't wait for me to come and play with my little sister, and how surprised I will be at how big she is getting and how great it will be for us to hang out together, blah blah blah...:blush:

I know he meant well, but it was NOT what I wanted to hear from him. My 14 yr old self wanted to hear that his 'crummy' new stupid family was not half as good as my brothers and I were, and he was so sad that we did not live with him anymore...:cry:

 

[katydid23]

Well, LM and his mom both have Native American heritage, so I'm not sure what is so bad about that. I, personally, find it hard to draw the line from talk of making moccasins to murdering his grandmother.
MOO

But I do understand the shape of what she was trying to say. I think the point was that Logan was a 15 yr old, going through some kind of intense mental/emotional crisis, and was reaching out, wanting to move there. But for whatever reason, even if it was a proper and good one, he was told no. But he was told that they could make moccasins together next month. Again, as you say, it was a spiritual/cultural thing they could share.

But Logan was in a crisis state, in my opinion, and talk of fun things to do together on Christmas Holiday, was not really helping the situation.

JMO :cow: :moo:

 

[Razz]

But I do understand the shape of what she was trying to say. I think the point was that Logan was a 15 yr old, going through some kind of intense mental/emotional crisis, and was reaching out, wanting to move there. But for whatever reason, even if it was a proper and good one, he was told no. But he was told that they could make moccasins together next month. Again, as you say, it was a spiritual/cultural thing they could share.

But Logan was in a crisis state, in my opinion, and talk of fun things to do together on Christmas Holiday, was not really helping the situation.

JMO :cow: :moo:

And I'm sure it would have included her 3 younger kids. NOT what he needed to hear at the moment.

I'm sure she was trying to be upbeat by suggesting "fun" things to do over Christmas break, but at that point, that would be the last thing I'd want to hear.
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[MistyWaters]

Perhaps there's another mention of moccasin making, but according to this quote it occured at a prior Xmas. No mention if LM had plans to visit again this upcoming Xmas. I agree, reminiscing about past times would be meaningful to a mother but not a teen who was perhaps in a crisis state. It also leaves me wondering how frequently the two talked.

“There just wasn’t any indication that there was anything wrong, nothing. It was just a normal conversation,” she said. “They’ve been asking me what kind of a mood Logan was in on Sunday night when I was talking to him. We are both Native American, and we talked about making moccasins when he was here at Christmas and talked about spring break.”
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/wanted-15-year-old-captured-at-canadian-border-police-say

 

[Spellbound]

Very helpful article regarding diabetic care for prisoners, and the differences in how facilities handle it. It is mostly geared toward prison, but also some about county jails. I must admit, I have never considered the differences in medical care for diabetic inmates, and this is a bit of an eye-opener. I can understand why they would not leave needles with inmates to monitor their conditions, but I am shocked at how many facilities are not attempting to appropriately monitor those people. Curious to know their liability should something serious happen because of poor care.

[h=1]Diabetes Care in Prison: How to Manage Your Diabetes in Prison[/h]https://www.thediabetescouncil.com/diabetes-care-in-prison-how-to-manage-your-diabetes-in-prison/

 

[SeesSeas]

Very helpful article regarding diabetic care for prisoners, and the differences in how facilities handle it. It is mostly geared toward prison, but also some about county jails. I must admit, I have never considered the differences in medical care for diabetic inmates, and this is a bit of an eye-opener. I can understand why they would not leave needles with inmates to monitor their conditions, but I am shocked at how many facilities are not attempting to appropriately monitor those people. Curious to know their liability should something serious happen because of poor care.

Diabetes Care in Prison: How to Manage Your Diabetes in Prison

https://www.thediabetescouncil.com/diabetes-care-in-prison-how-to-manage-your-diabetes-in-prison/

Hi Spellbound!
Yes, very informative article. I posted the same article 3 days ago.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...une-Beach-21-Nov-2017&p=13806196#post13806196

LM's mom is advocating for proper medical care for her son while he is incarcerated. Good for her.

Who hasn't heard of tragic consequences because of medical neglect in jails and prisons? I've heard and read about too many situations, some which have resulted in death of the inmate.

 

[watergirl62]

But I do understand the shape of what she was trying to say. I think the point was that Logan was a 15 yr old, going through some kind of intense mental/emotional crisis, and was reaching out, wanting to move there. But for whatever reason, even if it was a proper and good one, he was told no. But he was told that they could make moccasins together next month. Again, as you say, it was a spiritual/cultural thing they could share.

But Logan was in a crisis state, in my opinion, and talk of fun things to do together on Christmas Holiday, was not really helping the situation.

JMO :cow: :moo:

I agree katydid, there seems to be a huge disconnect here.

 

[Spellbound]

Hi Spellbound!
Yes, very informative article. I posted the same article 3 days ago.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...une-Beach-21-Nov-2017&p=13806196#post13806196

LM's mom is advocating for proper medical care for her son while he is incarcerated. Good for her.

Who hasn't heard of tragic consequences because of medical neglect in jails and prisons? I've heard and read about too many situations, some which have resulted in death of the inmate.

Hello there, SeeSeas!
Oops, and apology .... I must have not clicked and read that day. It s well worth repeating, though. it was all quite a surprise to me. I have read of medical deaths in prisons/jails, but never expected it would be from neglecting proper medical care.

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps there's another mention of moccasin making, but according to this quote it occured at a prior Xmas. No mention if LM had plans to visit again this upcoming Xmas. I agree, reminiscing about past times would be meaningful to a mother but not a teen who was perhaps in a crisis state. It also leaves me wondering how frequently the two talked.

“There just wasn’t any indication that there was anything wrong, nothing. It was just a normal conversation,” she said. “They’ve been asking me what kind of a mood Logan was in on Sunday night when I was talking to him. We are both Native American, and we talked about making moccasins when he was here at Christmas and talked about spring break.”
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/wanted-15-year-old-captured-at-canadian-border-police-say

I interpret that differently. I think she is saying 'when he was here at Christmas' she wanted to make moccasins with him. As in the future visit.

I know she used past tense, but it can also mean future, in the way the entire thing is worded.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

It doesn't seem right that the mom is getting crapped on here at WS.
She's a mother, advocating for her child. My child is nearly 30 and I would do the same thing. Especially if that Dad onsite wasn't seeing to it that his child is properly monitored for a serious health issue. Shrug.
If one takes the time to look at the YEARS of court records, it is glaringly obvious that she did not 'desert' her child, dumping him to go raise her other children, etc.
When I was a kid I wanted to go live with my non-custodial parent, I think that many if not most children of divorce want that from time to time, at least. I didn't kill anyone because of it.
Then again...I wasn't in a household that made me run until I puked. You can see by the court records that she did have deep concern over alleged physical abuse at the hands of Dad. With 200+ court filings, back and forth, it sure doesn't appear to me that she just ditched her kid and never tried to get custody, never considered his well-being, etc. Quite the opposite in fact.
It appears that the decision to not change his living situation was based on wanting the best for their child. I can't blame either the mom or the dad for that, really.
Honestly, if I think about who influenced how this kid turned out, I have to take into account who had day to day influence on him, year after year.
And even then, I can't 'blame' the dad for Logan's horrific act, if it turns out that he just up and killed his dear grandmother all on his own.
I think some might be looking for someone to 'blame' for this tragedy, but I don't think we know nearly enough facts to do so yet.
Ultimately Logan Mott is the one accused of pulling the trigger/plunging the knife and being angry at his parents isn't really a good justification for doing so.
This is all my own opinion, of course.

 

[katydid23]

It doesn't seem right that the mom is getting crapped on here at WS.
She's a mother, advocating for her child. My child is nearly 30 and I would do the same thing. Especially if that Dad onsite wasn't seeing to it that his child is properly monitored for a serious health issue. Shrug.
If one takes the time to look at the YEARS of court records, it is glaringly obvious that she did not 'desert' her child, dumping him to go raise her other children, etc.
When I was a kid I wanted to go live with my non-custodial parent, I think that many if not most children of divorce want that from time to time, at least. I didn't kill anyone because of it.
Then again...I wasn't in a household that made me run until I puked. You can see by the court records that she did have deep concern over alleged physical abuse at the hands of Dad. With 200+ court filings, back and forth, it sure doesn't appear to me that she just ditched her kid and never tried to get custody, never considered his well-being, etc. Quite the opposite in fact.
It appears that the decision to not change his living situation was based on wanting the best for their child. I can't blame either the mom or the dad for that, really.
Honestly, if I think about who influenced how this kid turned out, I have to take into account who had day to day influence on him, year after year.
And even then, I can't 'blame' the dad for Logan's horrific act, if it turns out that he just up and killed his dear grandmother all on his own.
I think some might be looking for someone to 'blame' for this tragedy, but I don't think we know nearly enough facts to do so yet.
Ultimately Logan Mott is the one accused of pulling the trigger/plunging the knife and being angry at his parents isn't really a good justification for doing so.
This is all my own opinion, of course.

I don't feel that she is getting crapped on. I think people are trying to understand how Logan was feeling and what was going on with him.

It's fine that she is advocating for him aggressively. I just find it in stark contrast to his childhood.

Yes, there are years and years of court battles over custody. She didn't abandon him. But court battles do nothing to nurture or satisfy a child who is missing his mommy.

I am just stating a simple fact. His mother moved out of state when he was 5 or 6. Having a long distance relationship with your mom, when you are that young, must be difficult. JMO

And yes, their decision was based upon them wanting the best academic opportunities for their 15 yr old. That is usually a wise decision. But if your child is having a serious emotional/mental health crisis, then academic opportunities are not all that important.

I am not blaming anyone.I am trying to understand how Logan felt. What was triggering that tremendous anger/emotional reaction?

I think it was pain/grief/repressed anger and it is sad that he was not given the help he needed in time to save his lovely grandmother.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't feel that she is getting crapped on. I think people are trying to understand how Logan was feeling and what was going on with him.

It's fine that she is advocating for him aggressively. I just find it in stark contrast to his childhood.

Yes, there are years and years of court battles over custody. She didn't abandon him. But court battles do nothing to nurture or satisfy a child who is missing his mommy.

I am just stating a simple fact. His mother moved out of state when he was 5 or 6. Having a long distance relationship with your mom, when you are that young, must be difficult. JMO

And yes, their decision was based upon them wanting the best academic opportunities for their 15 yr old. That is usually a wise decision. But if your child is having a serious emotional/mental health crisis, then academic opportunities are not all that important.

I am not blaming anyone.I am trying to understand how Logan felt. What was triggering that tremendous anger/emotional reaction?

I think it was pain/grief/repressed anger and it is sad that he was not given the help he needed in time to save his lovely grandmother.

But it is not clear that he showed any signs of being in a crisis state. Having difficulties settling in to a new school, is not unusual and 15 year old boys can be uncommunicative and appear unhappy, even when they are not.

 

[watergirl62]

I don't feel that she is getting crapped on. I think people are trying to understand how Logan was feeling and what was going on with him.

It's fine that she is advocating for him aggressively. I just find it in stark contrast to his childhood.

Yes, there are years and years of court battles over custody. She didn't abandon him. But court battles do nothing to nurture or satisfy a child who is missing his mommy.

I am just stating a simple fact. His mother moved out of state when he was 5 or 6. Having a long distance relationship with your mom, when you are that young, must be difficult. JMO

And yes, their decision was based upon them wanting the best academic opportunities for their 15 yr old. That is usually a wise decision. But if your child is having a serious emotional/mental health crisis, then academic opportunities are not all that important.

I am not blaming anyone.I am trying to understand how Logan felt. What was triggering that tremendous anger/emotional reaction?

I think it was pain/grief/repressed anger and it is sad that he was not given the help he needed in time to save his lovely grandmother.

Sorry, I am not up on all the details but maybe his dad is a drill sergeant style dad which can definitely exacerbate feelings of anger. Did his dad deny Logan the visit to his mother? Is this an eye for an eye deal?

 

[Deleted member 50844]

But it is not clear that he showed any signs of being in a crisis state. Having difficulties settling in to a new school, is not unusual and 15 year old boys can be uncommunicative and appear unhappy, even when they are not.

Correct. In fact, it seems like he was just having 'normal' issues adjusting to a new school. Millions of people have had that kind of transition and it didn't turn them into a killer.
'Normal teenage moments'
Campbell-Mott acknowledged that her son, a cadet who recently received a character award, has had issues adjusting to his high school, but said that they were “normal teenage moments.”

“He’s had some problems over the last couple of years. It’s just been a tough time for him, transitioning from one school now to high school, and he’s in the early college program, and that’s really intense,” Campbell-Mott said.

Campbell-Mott told WJXT that the last time she spoke to her son was Sunday night, and everything seemed fine.

“There just wasn’t any indication that there was anything wrong, nothing. It was just a normal conversation,” she said. “They’ve been asking me what kind of a mood Logan was in on Sunday night when I was talking to him. We are both Native American, and we talked about making moccasins when he was here at Christmas and talked about spring break.”

Campbell-Mott, who also has three young children, said her son had been asking about possibly moving to Missouri to live with her instead.

“I think every kid goes through that when you spend the majority of time with one parent; there comes a time in your life where you say, 'Well, you know, I wonder what it’s like over there,'” she said. “But then he got into the early college program, and we thought that’s where he needs to be.”

 

[Deleted member 50844]

These are a few of the statements I feel are pretty critical of Mom. Your mileage may vary.

Mom acts so concerned now but I read Logan wanted to live with her instead of his dad and she wouldn't let him.Is there a reason she didn't want him in her home with her and her young kids?I wonder if he had some serious issues for a long time.

You got that right! A 6 year old boy does need his mother. I would never desert my child at that age,

I feel like Logan had a lot of confusion surrounding him. He lived with a very strict but engaged Father, who had high expectations for him. In cases like that, a child needs a balance from a nurturing, caring Mother to help him cope. His mother seems to fit that bill, yet she moved out of state and began having a new family. I know how difficult that might be for a 10 yr old boy. And when he begins asking to move to be with his Mom, he is told that the advanced placement charter program is more important for his future than finally living with his Mom. I think he was very sad and felt kind of neglected or abandoned. And maybe all of this protective, reactive stuff coming from her now is kind of guilt induced?

This may sound crazy but I wonder if the mention of making moccasins over the break pushed him over the edge.
For some reason, this really ticked me off. Here he is in turmoil and his mother is talking about making moccasins. Sounds like something better suited for
her younger children and not a 15 year old boy.

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And I'm sure it would have included her 3 younger kids. NOT what he needed to hear at the moment.

I'm sure she was trying to be upbeat by suggesting "fun" things to do over Christmas break, but at that point, that would be the last thing I'd want to hear.
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[MistyWaters]

I interpret that differently. I think she is saying 'when he was here at Christmas' she wanted to make moccasins with him. As in the future visit.

I know she used past tense, but it can also mean future, in the way the entire thing is worded.

Oh yes, you could be right about that. I sure don't proclaim to be an linguistic expert but to me the phrase "when he was here" referred to a past event. Regardless, I agree that moccasin making or cultural endeavours are generally not high on the excitement to-do list of the typical 15 year old male. In my experience, that opportunity ends at about age 12 and doesn't open again for quite a few years.

 

[Razz]

These are a few of the statements I feel are pretty critical of Mom. Your mileage may vary.

Not sure I understand your point.

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[Razz]

But it is not clear that he showed any signs of being in a crisis state. Having difficulties settling in to a new school, is not unusual and 15 year old boys can be uncommunicative and appear unhappy, even when they are not.

I have a feeling that there may have been signs along the way. But, like a
lot of parents, denial is a better and safer place to be. "Oh, he'll grow out of it"; "What he needs is a swift kick to the butt"; "He's not any different than anyone else."

Not saying that's what happened here but it doesn't sound like Dad's a touchy feelie kind of guy and Mom was too far away and busy with 3 younger children to monitor LG's moods.

If anyone would have suspected a problem re LG, I think it would have been Kristina.

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[MistyWaters]

Sorry, I am not up on all the details but maybe his dad is a drill sergeant style dad which can definitely exacerbate feelings of anger. Did his dad deny Logan the visit to his mother? Is this an eye for an eye deal?

Nothing regarding alleged motive has been released by the media.

Just to say fhat any 15 year old who would kill his own grandmother as an "eye for an eye deal" to get back at his father for any reason involving his mother imo falls into the utterly mean, spiteful, and purely evil category of human being, who places absolutely no value on the life of other people. Commonly known as a psychopath.

So I'd really hope this wasn't the reason but if it was, before it culminated to that I'm certain there'd have been huge warning signs that he was deeply disturbed. It appears there were none. JMO