GUILTY FL - Lakeland girl, 14, charged with killing newborn son, 19 Sept 2012

[SoBeCzar]

I really have to question the parenting skills in this household. It is very sad that this 14yr old had no support system when a crisis arises. How did this mother not notice, the 2 aunts even went to the mother to question that CG looked pregnant. How did the mother not notice that CG missed her period for that many months, she would have to buy the feminine products for her, I assume. Dressing in sweaters during the summer in the state of FL would raise red flags as well. This mother must have been in a great deal of denial to miss all of this or she just plain has zero parenting skills.

My mother would not have noticed any of that either. And it is a matter of just plain zero parenting skills.
It surprises me how many parents feed their kids and send them to school without any idea what is going on. These parents are too wrapped up in their own lives to pay attention to their kids.
What I don't get is if the mother asked her to take a pregnancy test then there was obviously an opening for discussion. All the girl had to say is yep I'm pregnant.
Guess mom handed down her great parenting skills to her daughter.

 

[SoBeCzar]

That’s horrible! ‘She took a pair of scissors to "pry the baby out."’ I’m just shocked and sickened. I can’t understand what was going through her head that she thought murder was the only way out. Part of me feels sorry for her she must have been scared and alone YET part of me is asking WHY! How could she? Plus she hid the baby in a shoebox so she knew her actions were wrong.

I know, right? How does one pry a baby out with scissors? Too sick for words!

 

[southernnana]

cguru: .... yep, that's me!


Thank you so much grace60 for providing the Ledger links that have a format of the Criminal Complaint/Affidavit that I could copy and read. It took me several attempts ... and 34 wasted sheets of printer paper ... but I finally have a hard copy of the 3-page document copy.

It makes me sick to my stomach to read this affidavit.:sick: How can these horrible crimes involving our children be happening??

The local paper theledger.com was on the internet @ 09/28/12 @ 7:37 am. (Friday) It was modified @ 1:13 pm. I saw it early and was surprised they had her name and pic. I searched for other articles and found none. I was going to post it but felt if I waited their would be more about it. I figured if the local paper had it on the front page they knew what they were doing.

Here is the first link I saw

http://www.theledger.com/article/20120928/NEWS/120929363?tc=cr

http://www.theledger.com/article/20120928/NEWS/120929363?tc=cr

 

[Bree0372]

BBM.

Obviously she didn't have the sense enough to know not to do that, because she did it. She's fourteen, she does not have the capability of thinking like an adult. She still thinks something can disappear forever just by hiding it under her bed. There is no reason for her to be tried as an adult no matter how heinous this crime is.

That's obviously your opinion, and IMO, that's making excuses for her! Because she did it, doesn't mean she doesn't have sense enough to not do it. She is 14, not 6 or 7. It's not like a 14 year old doesn't know right from wrong. At 14, I was as mature as many 20+ year olds. What's to say she isn't mature? Many "mature" people kill. They know right from wrong, but they CHOOSE to do it anyway. She sought a way to end this babies life and she, unfortunately, succeeded.

We'll agree to disagree! There are options available that doesn't include murder! IMO, she should be tried as an adult! She made a very adult decision. :moo:

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*The girl also said she was aware of "other alternatives, I.E. caring for the victim or adoption"...she stated she "terminated the life of the child because she was afraid her relationship with her parents would change."

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because she didn't want the relationship with her parents to change??? what the heck kind of reason is that to murder your own newborn baby in cold blood?

I do want to hear more about this 'relationship' with her parents and why it was so necessary, in her mind, to conceal this pregnancy and kill her baby. She was AWARE of other options but did not choose to seek help from her parents or anyone else. After reading the above, I'm very close to thinking she needs to be tried as an adult. This was cold-blooded, this was deliberate murder of a helpless baby....IMO, subject to change but it would have to be a very good reason....

BTW, that link for the pdf is at TBO. com....

I read in the comments of an article (posted here) that the girl has an older sister that became pregnant and she was disowned. That's the only thing that I can think of when she stated that she didn't want the relationship with her parents to change.

She should be tried as an adult! I am so sick of people making excuses for children that kill :banghead: I don't care what what was going on with her, what happened to her in her past or anything else about her all I care about is that she murdered her baby and now she needs to pay for what she did. Death is what she deserves but thanks to those moronic people who stick up for those that murder that won't happen, so at least she should be locked away for life with no chance of ever getting out.

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BBM I just thought it deserved repeating!

She shouldn't be charged with first degree murder.

A 14 year old shouldn't be pregnant in the first place. How did that happen? Was she preyed on by an adult sex offender? Was she a victim of rape or incest?

In a forum entitled Crimes - spotlight on children, I think those are relevant questions to ask about a fourteen year old child who got pregnant.

Those are very valid questions. However, in this day and time, it isn't uncommon for a 14 year old to be sexually active. I wonder if she doesn't have a minor boyfriend that her parents aren't aware of. With that said, she still chose to MURDER her baby boy rather than do the right thing. She had sense enough to hide him so she wouldn't get caught to "protect the relationship with her family". She's not an immature 14 year old girl who doesn't know right from wrong. :moo:

I'm not trying to dismiss or downplay the crime. I just don't think that she should be tried as an adult.

She does not have the mental capacity or the thought process of an adult. She doesn't understand that things don't go away when they are placed under the bed. She is of the age that disappointing her parents is scarier than giving birth alone and hiding it. Her choice simply wasn't an adult choice, it wasn't made with the reasoning skills an adult has.

While I feel that the crime was selfish, I don't think she understands the gravity of it. And I don't think she killed the baby to kill the baby. I think she was really just thinking if she could hide it, it would be gone, and she could go on with her life and her parents would be none the wiser. It's very frightening to think of, but I'm not sure what locking her away for life is going to do. Prison shouldn't be about retribution. Prison should be about rehabilitating those who can be, and protecting society from those who can't. I'm thinking that in time, she will grow and understand. One young life has been wasted here. I see no point in wasting another.

I know I'm likely of the unpopular opinion around here, but I'm sorry. This isn't the case of a juvenile that sought out a victim or has a long history of hurting others or animals. I think there is hope for her.

Again...she's 14, not 6 or 7. I don't think some are giving 14 year olds enough credit. 14 year olds aren't dumb...or so extremely immature that they don't know right from wrong. At 15, in Florida, they can start driving (restrictions apply).

My 15 year old cousin (just turned 15) knows right from wrong. She would have enough sense to know that you don't MURDER your child and put him in a shoe box thinking no one will know anything.

 

[rollinginit]

I admire you for that, rollinginit, and I'm sure it was not easy! Bless you for loving, keeping and raising your daughter!

A lot of the comments that I have read on the articles have been other women and men who said they wanted to adopt and would have gladly taken this little baby....just a tragedy.....

Thanks Reader. Like I said, I had a great support system, plus the dad's family was there for me also (we ended up getting married a few years later)

This story is so sad on many levels. I know for a young girl, it is very easy to hide a pregnancy. Even though my mom knew from the beginning of my pregnancy, I never did look pregnant. I still have pictures of my baby shower when I was 8mths along, and I was wearing blue jeans.

To be honest, even though I knew I was pregnant...I don't think it ever hit me until I was actually in labor. That's when I remember getting scared. Even though I considered myself pretty mature for a 15 yr old......my brain wasn't. I can remember them bringing my daughter to me....she was tiny and all scratched up on her face. Her face was really red and she had a head full of coal black hair and she was SCREAMING her head off. I remember telling my mom that DD was ugly and asking my mom if DD would always look like that.:what: That's how immature my brain was.

I find it so sad that girl's in this day and age feel the need to hurt babies. I also find it sad that girl's mom was not proactive in getting her kid on BC. She obliviously knew her child was having sex.
JMO

 

[Cappuccino]

I'm not trying to dismiss or downplay the crime. I just don't think that she should be tried as an adult.

She does not have the mental capacity or the thought process of an adult. She doesn't understand that things don't go away when they are placed under the bed. She is of the age that disappointing her parents is scarier than giving birth alone and hiding it. Her choice simply wasn't an adult choice, it wasn't made with the reasoning skills an adult has.

While I feel that the crime was selfish, I don't think she understands the gravity of it. And I don't think she killed the baby to kill the baby. I think she was really just thinking if she could hide it, it would be gone, and she could go on with her life and her parents would be none the wiser. It's very frightening to think of, but I'm not sure what locking her away for life is going to do. Prison shouldn't be about retribution. Prison should be about rehabilitating those who can be, and protecting society from those who can't. I'm thinking that in time, she will grow and understand. One young life has been wasted here. I see no point in wasting another.

I know I'm likely of the unpopular opinion around here, but I'm sorry. This isn't the case of a juvenile that sought out a victim or has a long history of hurting others or animals. I think there is hope for her.

Totally agree.

I don't care how unpopular it makes me, this girl should NOT be tried as an adult. She's clearly a case for the juvenile courts, where rehabilitation is the paramount concern, rather than the adult courts where punishment is the order of the day.

 

[Cappuccino]

That's obviously your opinion, and IMO, that's making excuses for her! Because she did it, doesn't mean she doesn't have sense enough to not do it. She is 14, not 6 or 7. It's not like a 14 year old doesn't know right from wrong. At 14, I was as mature as many 20+ year olds. What's to say she isn't mature? Many "mature" people kill. They know right from wrong, but they CHOOSE to do it anyway. She sought a way to end this babies life and she, unfortunately, succeeded.

We'll agree to disagree! There are options available that doesn't include murder! IMO, she should be tried as an adult! She made a very adult decision. :moo:



I read in the comments of an article (posted here) that the girl has an older sister that became pregnant and she was disowned. That's the only thing that I can think of when she stated that she didn't want the relationship with her parents to change.



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BBM I just thought it deserved repeating!



Those are very valid questions. However, in this day and time, it isn't uncommon for a 14 year old to be sexually active. I wonder if she doesn't have a minor boyfriend that her parents aren't aware of. With that said, she still chose to MURDER her baby boy rather than do the right thing. She had sense enough to hide him so she wouldn't get caught to "protect the relationship with her family". She's not an immature 14 year old girl who doesn't know right from wrong. :moo:



Again...she's 14, not 6 or 7. I don't think some are giving 14 year olds enough credit. 14 year olds aren't dumb...or so extremely immature that they don't know right from wrong. At 15, in Florida, they can start driving (restrictions apply).

My 15 year old cousin (just turned 15) knows right from wrong. She would have enough sense to know that you don't MURDER your child and put him in a shoe box thinking no one will know anything.

She IS an immature 14 year old who doesn't know right from wrong. That's why she should be dealt with by the juvenile courts, not the adult courts.
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:jail:

 

[jjenny]

<Modsnip> How does someone makes it to 14 not knowing right from wrong?

 

[Cappuccino]

<modsnip> How does someone makes it to 14 not knowing right from wrong?

Should we abolish juvenile courts then? Abolish the age of consent? Allow 14 year olds to vote, stand for election, join the army?

If not, why not?

Oh, and by the way, do we know how this underage child got pregnant yet? Or are we just going with the assumption that she's a ?

 

[passionflower]

mom being in such denial reminds me of Cindy A.
is this her only daughter?
and why did this girl keep this baby in her bedroom?
Why didn't she bury him?
Let's face it, this baby was mutilated and he would smell.
Was mother's bedroom on the opposite side of the mobile home?
I would think the smell would fill the whole home.
From his birth til he was found, how much time elasped?

 

[flipflop]

She IS an immature 14 year old who doesn't know right from wrong. That's why she should be dealt with by the juvenile courts, not the adult courts.

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:jail:

<modsnip> 14 yr olds know the difference between right and wrong. Some make immature decisions.
It is hard to say without knowing CG personally if she was immature or mature at 14/almost 15 yrs old. Alot of 14 yr olds today look mature (they all want to show off the sex appeal to keep up with what they see in the media) and make mature decisions. Other 14 yr olds look immature and also make immature decisions. Saying that she was immature because she killed her baby does not make sense to me....as mature adults have killed babies in the past as well.
She made the decision to hide this problem from her loved ones, she had no one to trust obviously.
I wonder why they put it out there that they want to possibly try her as an adult when she is the age of a juvenile?

 

[flipflop]

mom being in such denial reminds me of Cindy A.
is this her only daughter?
and why did this girl keep this baby in her bedroom?
Why didn't she bury him?
Let's face it, this baby was mutilated and he would smell.
Was mother's bedroom on the opposite side of the mobile home?
I would think the smell would fill the whole home.
From his birth til he was found, how much time elasped?

IIRC she gave birth on Sept 19 and the mom found the baby on Sept 22

 

[Cappuccino]

Because they're wrong, that's why. And they are trying to appease the type of people who think she should be hanged because she did something desparate with scissors to a baby.

Do any of you know whether or not the father is an adult sex offender who preyed on her? Or whether she was raped and too scared to tell?

Do any of you care?

 

[jjenny]

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And she has not been charged as an adult as of yet.

 

[jjenny]

Victim in this case is a little infant boy that was murdered.

 

[Cappuccino]

Victim in this case is a little infant boy that was murdered.

And I suppose his child mother got pregnant all on her own did she?

 

[flipflop]

mom being in such denial reminds me of Cindy A.
is this her only daughter?and why did this girl keep this baby in her bedroom?
Why didn't she bury him?
Let's face it, this baby was mutilated and he would smell.
Was mother's bedroom on the opposite side of the mobile home?
I would think the smell would fill the whole home.
From his birth til he was found, how much time elasped?

there was a report where the neighbour stated that CG's sister became pregnant and was somewhat disowned by the parents.

 

[Cappuccino]

If WS'ers could write the laws, the world would be a safer place!!!

If this WS'er could write the laws, the world would also be a more compassionate place for juvenile offenders.

 

[flipflop]

At the hearing, prosecutors said they would be considering whether to charge the teen as an adult.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20120928/NEWS/120929363

No one here is demanding that she be tried as an adult, people have opinions. You can agree or disagree. If you strongly disagree, you can state your opinion without bickering. If you cannot do this, just simply ignore the post and move on.....

 

[grace60]

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I'm very interested in finding out who the father is. I don't have the link for the quote but she told cops she was afraid the relationship with her family would change if she had the baby. It was mentioned her older sister was thrown out when she got pregnant. Was she afraid of being thrown out or outing the father of the baby?

As far as her punishment I have no doubt Sheriff Grady Judd will do his best to be sure she gets the correct punishment. He was Sheriff when Jessica Lunsford was murdered. He told the residents of Polk county he would do everything possible to get the child molesters and sex offenders off the street and he has done a very good job of doing just that. So if the father of that baby is an adult Judd will hunt that person down. We don't have all the facts yet. It could take make all the difference if the father is an adult and was telling her what to do and he would help her take care of the situation.