Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[Gemmie]

Snipped for focus.

There is nothing natural in an adult male being excited by a child snuggling against him. Nothing.

As my dear mother would say: "The very idea!"

I just want to be clear... I didn't say in the natural way males can be excited with a child. I just meant exactly as I posted "in the natural way males can be excited". Unfortunately there was a child snuggled up against him. I didn't really want to go into specifics and hope my post isn't misunderstood.

 

[Taffy550]

@ttjo Thank you for posting the video.
I can't, just can't with this woman. She acts like a stupid immature Gen X woke child. She is acting. Using words like kinks and triggers. Her mental health issues, disabled due to mental health. Bla bla bla. She is a drug addict who gets a disability check and was probably trying to get her daughter on the same program. She is not stupid. She knows how to work the system.
SS kink was behind sex. Ms was having problems going to the bathroom. Anal problems. Come on. She knew. I would not be surprised if she was involved
in the murder and concealment of her dead child. I would not be surprised if JS was involved in the sale of the sa videos and pics. I think they were both using this as form of income. As a mother or father you have one job, keep your children safe. God gives us these little soles to keep and protect. JS failed horrifically, MS was child of severe parental negligence. JS belongs in jail. Sorry if I offended anyone, JMOO,

 

[Pruddennce]

One thing I have never thought, is that middle looked pregnant, to me, she looked normal. I agree, if she was,she wouldnt show this early anyway.
Maybe the pictures, finding P-tests, and the friend saying her and maddi didnt sync anymore, is what made them question everything to exhaust all possibilities. I wish the cop would have asked her more about the tests.

As for Dr Marshall, I thought she was pretty good, I took what I liked from what she said and discarded the rest. I agree with her in that a pregnancy would be evidence which will be trouble for jenn and SS, but I'm not convinced she was pregnant.

Madeline's best friend said Madeline told her she was late in January, and her friend said Madeline told her she eventually got her monthly. But, Madeline may not have told her the truth...about January. JS claims Madeline would tell her and she would mark it down<-----thats JS's tracking system, being told by Madeline......not quite JS tracking it herself.

the Osceola arrest warrant first issued on 2/28/24 lists March 20, 2022 thru Dec 3, 2023 (Case #2024 CF 000632) as C1-Sexual Battery (Familial/Custodial Authority) and C-2 Possession of Material Sexual Performance by a Child. obviously they found much more dating back to 2019 and the charges were amended.

The December date is what caught my attention when he was first arrested.

we have no idea what condition Madeline was in when she was murdered. IMO what is high on the probability scale, is even the whisper of that possibility is what led to Madeline's murder.

 

[ttjo]

Madeline's best friend said Madeline told her she was late in January, and her friend said Madeline told her she eventually got her monthly. But, Madeline may not have told her the truth...about January. JS claims Madeline would tell her and she would mark it down<-----thats JS's tracking system, being told by Madeline......not quite JS tracking it herself.

the Osceola arrest warrant first issued on 2/28/24 lists March 20, 2022 thru Dec 3, 2023 (Case #2024 CF 000632) as C1-Sexual Battery (Familial/Custodial Authority) and C-2 Possession of Material Sexual Performance by a Child. obviously they found much more dating back to 2019 and the charges were amended.

The December date is what caught my attention when he was first arrested.

we have no idea what condition Madeline was in when she was murdered. IMO what is high on the probability scale, is even the whisper of that possibility is what led to Madeline's murder.

I think it's a distinct possibility. whether she really was pregnant is TBD, I think there was a scare at least. Maybe more b/c she did have pregnancy tests. But the Saturday call, the panic, the drive up to Kissimmee and then maddies dead within hours. I dont know how it all played out, but id bet a pregnancy or a scare played a big part.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I think it's a distinct possibility. whether she really was pregnant is TBD, I think there was a scare at least. Maybe more b/c she did have pregnancy tests. But the Saturday call, the panic, the drive up to Kissimmee and then maddies dead within hours. I dont know how it all played out, but id bet a pregnancy or a scare played a big part.

JS had had her new job at Disney for two weeks. She'd managed just fine for two weeks with her family taking Maddie to school and whatnot, but suddenly that wasn't enough so she asked SS to come help.

Man I would LOVE to know when she asked him to come help. AFAIK that hasn't been mentioned in any of her interviews with LE. Did I miss that?

Also did JS do anything to celebrate Maddie's birthday on the actual date, the prior Thursday? Not that we've heard.

Corrections welcome!

 

[floridafreshsqueez]

I just want to be clear... I didn't say in the natural way males can be excited with a child. I just meant exactly as I posted "in the natural way males can be excited". Unfortunately there was a child snuggled up against him. I didn't really want to go into specifics and hope my post isn't misunderstood.

I have slept next to grown men in college who were friends that did not get “excited” by the mere presence of an adult woman next to them in a bed. I never had to worry about being assaulted or forced into a non-consensual situation, bc there was no compulsive need to engage me.

I think your post is discrediting most men’s ability to control themselves and confusing that with men who are aroused by young children.

 

[Pruddennce]

JS had had her new job at Disney for two weeks. She'd managed just fine for two weeks with her family taking Maddie to school and whatnot, but suddenly that wasn't enough so she asked SS to come help.

Man I would LOVE to know when she asked him to come help. AFAIK that hasn't been mentioned in any of her interviews with LE. Did I miss that?

Also did JS do anything to celebrate Maddie's birthday on the actual date, the prior Thursday? Not that we've heard.

Corrections welcome!

I dont think you missed it....what I found in the docs she only referenced it as the 'plan' she made with SS. her family (gm) claims she didnt know about him coming there. the roommate had no idea he was there, heck, she claims she didnt even know Madeline was there that nite because she was supposedly asleep when she came home. (I struggle with her not knowing...she's sound asleep at 8:30-8:45pm?) and she made a point she sleeps with the tv on LOUD. interesting add-on.

judging from SS mother saying she had something to give her and KNOWING in advance (a week or two) he was going there sunday....dad claims he didnt know that far in advance, he said he only knew he was leaving sunday. SS mother mentions the call and assumes it was Madeline. she didnt speak with Madeline. SS father claims that saturday, SS was freaked out.

but as far as JS telling Madeline he was coming IMO it could have been friday or saturday while at gm's because saturday she was in tears and didnt want to go home and spent the day with her grandfather.

no mention at all that JS spent time with Madeline on her actual birthday.

subpoena interview: she never says WHEN she actually told Madeline he was coming there and she wasnt specifically asked that question:

WJ: Okay. Alright. Now, Madeline, does she lay out her clothes for school the next day, or is that something she gets in the morning, makes a game-time decision like my kid?

JS: (Quick Sigh) Typically It is a game-time decision, morning of.

WJ: Okay, what about this specific evening, do you remember anything about it?

JS: Yes. This evening we had, um, I had already discussed PRIOR to Stephan coming to visit that he was going to help me take Maddie to school that day. Um, so because I knew that that was what was going to happen that night, I had asked Maddie to pick out your clothes, have everything ready, have your backpack ready, your water bottle, everything you need ready, so that way you could just grab your stuff and head out. It won’t be too much--too much of a hassle in the morning. Um, and so she did. She picked out her clothing. I asked her what she was wearing, and she told me what she had picked out. I said, “Okay, fine.” <---no specific timeframe for this exchange and basically the discussion was with SS, not Madeline.

so when was PRIOR? IMO, Madeline was blindsided on saturday. in that interview, JS never saw the clothes she picked out. she was 'told by Madeline'. IMO, contact by JS with Madeline was all by phone leading up to Madeline being taken to her party and returned home. of course, Im confident LE has all of the phone communication times for all of them.

I cannot understand why gm didnt disclose to LE WHY Madeline was upset on saturday. surely, she asked her?

 

[ttjo]

JS had had her new job at Disney for two weeks. She'd managed just fine for two weeks with her family taking Maddie to school and whatnot, but suddenly that wasn't enough so she asked SS to come help.

Man I would LOVE to know when she asked him to come help. AFAIK that hasn't been mentioned in any of her interviews with LE. Did I miss that?

Also did JS do anything to celebrate Maddie's birthday on the actual date, the prior Thursday? Not that we've heard.

Corrections welcome!

They FaceTimed a lot also. So hopefully they can get some info from a phone extraction. Might be hard to determine who was on the other end of that call on Saturday ( if there was one)
I know they wont release the autopsy b/c she was a child, and I don't believe anyone official has confirmed or denied a pregnancy.
The motive for murder is a mystery, when you consider what is known as fact, whats the most likely? ( we need a poll)

Who killed Maddie? Jenn? Stephan? both?
Did Maddi threaten to tell jenn or anyone?
Was there a real prognancy scare?
Was a pregnancy scare ( not real) but used as tool to manipulate Stephan in some way? to scare him? place conditions on him if she allowed him to come back? did that get out of hand?
what else?

Too many loose ends still.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I think it's a distinct possibility. whether she really was pregnant is TBD, I think there was a scare at least. Maybe more b/c she did have pregnancy tests. But the Saturday call, the panic, the drive up to Kissimmee and then maddies dead within hours. I dont know how it all played out, but id bet a pregnancy or a scare played a big part.

Yes @ttjo …. sadly have to wonder the events which led to here. I still keep wondering did something happen at that birthday party celebration? Was something said or evident? Maybe during a drive between the locations? Speculation only. MOO

 

[ttjo]

JS: Yes. This evening we had, um, I had already discussed PRIOR to Stephan coming to visit that he was going to help me take Maddie to school that day.

That part,
Thats what she says, and she had to get up anyway for an appt, so why would they plan that?
I've heard her say countless times, that she didnt take her psychotropic meds on Saturday, was out of sorts on Sunday and needed "some good sleep" thats why she sent them to the upstairs bed and I assumed why he drove her to school.( so she could sleep another 15 minutes )

 

[shetalksinstereo]

They FaceTimed a lot also. So hopefully they can get some info from a phone extraction. Might be hard to determine who was on the other end of that call on Saturday ( if there was one)
I know they wont release the autopsy b/c she was a child, and I don't believe anyone official has confirmed or denied a pregnancy.
The motive for murder is a mystery, when you consider what is known as fact, whats the most likely? ( we need a poll)

Who killed Maddie? Jenn? Stephan? both?
Did Maddi threaten to tell jenn or anyone?
Was there a real prognancy scare?
Was a pregnancy scare ( not real) but used as tool to manipulate Stephan in some way? to scare him? place conditions on him if she allowed him to come back? did that get out of hand?
what else?

Too many loose ends still.

I think the scare is a good possibility!

 

[PawneeDew]

Right. JS calling the friend first didn't seem that weird to me until just now, when you pointed out the adults that most parents would have called first.

I hope you post more often. Your logic skills rival Spock's.

Sorry to switch it up, again. But, that also made me think of (if you followed Gannon Stauch) Leticia Stauch had called Gannon's school, or called a nurse by phone, or some other stupidity....I don't know why I thought of that. It's just distraction or whatever to slow the process, imo

 

[Gemmie]

I read Gemmie's post differently than some of you did. I read the "excited him in the natural way" to be Gemmie's euphamism for erection, to avoid being crass. Not that it was "natural" for him to have an erection with a child.

JMOO

THANK YOU for your post @LoveyG !!! That is EXACTLY what I was trying to do, but my euphemism didn't work so I decided to just drop it. Hopefully your post helps some that read it differently.

 

[PawneeDew]

Why can't LE arrest JS for obstructing an investigation if they find her deceptive?

 

[iamshadow21]

Why can't LE arrest JS for obstructing an investigation if they find her deceptive?

I think they have to prove intent to deceive. It's hard to do if the subject muddies the waters with mental health diagnoses and medications, both of which could affect memory.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

That part,
Thats what she says, and she had to get up anyway for an appt, so why would they plan that?
I've heard her say countless times, that she didnt take her psychotropic meds on Saturday, was out of sorts on Sunday and needed "some good sleep" thats why she sent them to the upstairs bed and I assumed why he drove her to school.( so she could sleep another 15 minutes )

Seemingly it was already planned, that SS would "take Maddie to school", far in advance. JS at that point can't have known about her own condition (too tired to fulfill her duties) much later. There must have been a different reason for him to come. And he can't have been like crazy (acc. to his parents) because a drive to school the next day - ridiculous. They are all lying. IMO

 

[Pruddennce]

I didn't see or hear that one. Is there a link you can point to please? I'd love to hear it.

I believe its ok to post because there is no opinion/commentary. JS in the police vehicle being transported to Operations believing she was going to be attending the press conference. in addition, this conversation is in the vehicle: JS presents the Sister Act storyline for that nite: "WE didnt finish the whole thing'. her demeanor is so disturbing. cheerful, giggles at time.

they were transported in separate vehicles. he was ultimately arrested.

linked at the starting point of transport conversation: its identified as March 1 on the screen, but I think this is Feb 28.

when they arrived JS was shown his body part pic, etc.

the big doc dump narrative refers to the Feb 28 transport for both of them. page 341

https://www.scribd.com/document/750961967/REUPLOAD-Stephan-Sterns-documents-released-by-Orange-Osceola-State-Attorney-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder-896-pages

 

[Pruddennce]

Yes @ttjo …. sadly have to wonder the events which led to here. I still keep wondering did something happen at that birthday party celebration? Was something said or evident? Maybe during a drive between the locations? Speculation only. MOO

JS's sister picked her up and took her home. she indicates a happy Madeline. nothing else. her best friend said Madeline was not happy at the party, but her demeanor changed when another friend arrived. there is nothing of substance from friends and family interviewed other than she had a great time.

 

[Pruddennce]

That part,
Thats what she says, and she had to get up anyway for an appt, so why would they plan that?
I've heard her say countless times, that she didnt take her psychotropic meds on Saturday, was out of sorts on Sunday and needed "some good sleep" thats why she sent them to the upstairs bed and I assumed why he drove her to school.( so she could sleep another 15 minutes )

and.....her interview indicated the plan was he was staying THE WEEK not one day. it wasnt for just monday. and this: they (JS and SS) discussed him staying there 'so he can get on his feet', maybe get an apartment.....and here is another maybe, he would stay with her as a 'companion', a 'friend'. claims it was just a discussion.

IMO, it was definitive he would be moving back in and somehow she would hide that fact from her family (namely her dad, so SS would not have to pay rent).

the whole relationship narrative is chaos on the surface as to how she explains it. but IMO it was a 'controlled' environment JS did not want to give up, too dangerous because:

when Madeline was murdered, her life was mostly insulated and she was isolated from normal teen things, such as being picked up after school by a friend's family and staying there the afternoon to do homework and hang out, do teen stuff in someone else's house. nope, Madeline was traditionally picked up by JS and on occasion by immediate family. IMO, JS could not trust Madeline to be totally alone with friends and their families, EVER....she may let it all out.

IMO, Madeline was moving toward disclosure. as an aside, it must have been difficult for Madeline to hear other girl talk or get togethers which she wasnt allowed to participate in.

IIRC her best friend didnt talk about Madeline ever coming to her house, just for the afternoon or after school. she was at Madeline's house, but in all those years that SS was living there, she only met him once?????

IMO, SS and JS made sure that Madeline's best friend would never be in his company long enough to form a first hand opinion of him. all this friend knew was what Madeline would tell her.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I believe its ok to post because there is no opinion/commentary. JS in the police vehicle being transported to Operations believing she was going to be attending the press conference. in addition, this conversation is in the vehicle: JS presents the Sister Act storyline for that nite: "WE didnt finish the whole thing'. her demeanor is so disturbing. cheerful, giggles at time.

they were transported in separate vehicles. he was ultimately arrested.

linked at the starting point of transport conversation: its identified as March 1 on the screen, but I think this is Feb 28.

when they arrived JS was shown his body part pic, etc.

the big doc dump narrative refers to the Feb 28 transport for both of them. page 341

https://www.scribd.com/document/750961967/REUPLOAD-Stephan-Sterns-documents-released-by-Orange-Osceola-State-Attorney-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder-896-pages

Thanks for this! The giggling and kidding around seems out of place. I found it interesting she didn't ask any follow-up questions after he said they think Maddie is deceased. She cried, for about a minute, and that was it. No queries about why they think that, or how, where, when.