Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[I am not Sherlock H.]

SS has taken Maddie to school, (at least once before) Maddie was embarrassed over S.S. dropping her off, according to JS. (S.S. car was older?)

Yes….. and as I reflect on the entire sordid case, and not at all an attempt to disparage dear MS - but I am now wondering if the ‘embarrassment’ over the car, the hooptie, the entire not wanting to be seen dropped off by SS at school IIRC - maybe that was for another entirely different reason she might have had?

And perhaps there was some big event or the like, as @Poedelini suggests above in post # 728 ….. something had arisen? And from what has been observed, sadly, doesn’t seem we can rely on anyone talking to explain what that was? Maybe someone at the birthday celebration has revealed something to investigators?

The child was just coming of age in many respects. It is so sad IMO. I can’t even (as a father of two young daughters I am)…. I can’t even imagine the conversations she might have had with friends her age. Or the conversations that she couldn’t really have. Talking of a boyfriend, life events, a first kiss, etc. And yet things she knew maybe she couldn’t have said or even tried to feel.

I continue to hope authorities are of similar mindset as to what seems to have happened in this case. And that all evidence and statements are being well examined. MOO

 

[wcsleuth]

The most logical and convenient plan for everyone would have been for Maddie to stay overnight at grandma's the night of the party.

So who insisted on SS being there? Was it JS or was it SS?

Maybe Maddie called SS telling him NOT to come and he showed up anyway, she resisted him, and she ends up dead?

jmo

I believe it was JS who wanted SS there. iirc, they were going to spend the week together leading up to Jenn's birthday. The reason JS says she wanted SS there rather than allow MS to continue to stay at her grandma's was that having SS in the house in Room 4 would allow JS to see Maddie more during the week. But imo, that doesn't make any sense because Jenn was off Monday and Tuesday, so there was no need for 'help' from SS on those days. SS could have arrived Tues night potentially, but he arrived Sun night. That's because Jenn wanted to 'sleep in' Mon morning. Ok but JS had to get up at 9am for her blood appointment anyway. Maddie's school started at 9:28 am. Jenn's appt was at 10:15 and in Jenn's words it takes awhile for them to see her. Jenn could have dropped MS at school per normal and then drove the 2.5 miles to her appt. The labcorp is a 10 minute drive from Maddie's school. Let's say traffic was bad Mon morning and it took Jenn 40 minutes to get to her blood draw. Jenn still would have been several minutes early for her appt. In short, there was absolutely no need for SS to be in that house on Sunday, Feb 25. JS wanted him there and SS wanted to be there. But the reasons that JS provided don't add up.

So now I'm wondering, when did Jenn set that appointment on Monday? And was the original plan for her to drop MS off at school and then go to her blood appt after? Because imo that makes a heck of a lot more sense. So what changed?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I believe it was JS who wanted SS there. iirc, they were going to spend the week together leading up to Jenn's birthday. The reason JS says she wanted SS there rather than allow MS to continue to stay at her grandma's was that having SS in the house in Room 4 would allow JS to see Maddie more during the week. But imo, that doesn't make any sense because Jenn was off Monday and Tuesday, so there was no need for 'help' from SS on those days. SS could have arrived Tues night potentially, but he arrived Sun night. That's because Jenn wanted to 'sleep in' Mon morning. Ok but JS had to get up at 9am for her blood appointment anyway. Maddie's school started at 9:28 am. Jenn's appt was at 10:15 and in Jenn's words it takes awhile for them to see her. Jenn could have dropped MS at school per normal and then drove the 2.5 miles to her appt. The labcorp is a 10 minute drive from Maddie's school. Let's say traffic was bad Mon morning and it took Jenn 40 minutes to get to her blood draw. Jenn still would have been several minutes early for her appt. In short, there was absolutely no need for SS to be in that house on Sunday, Feb 25. JS wanted him there and SS wanted to be there. But the reasons that JS provided don't add up.

So now I'm wondering, when did Jenn set that appointment on Monday? And was the original plan for her to drop MS off at school and then go to her blood appt after? Because imo that makes a heck of a lot more sense. So what changed?

"So what changed" Saturday. Iirc Stern's parents talked about him being in a panic on Saturday. Jen told LE she knew what was going to happen when she had Stern's come over,and she said she told Madeline to have her backpack etc ready. When LE asked Jen about the pregnancy test,and her answer stood out to me. I think it has to do with the pregnancy test. MOO

 

[MomminIt]

Does anybody know what we can expect to see from SS court date tomorrow? Will it be televised?

 

[Poedelini]

Does anybody know what we can expect to see from SS court date tomorrow? Will it be televised?

He is probably a no show and it is only a status hearing so i think there is not much to see or hear.
Jmo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

He is probably a no show and it is only a status hearing so i think there is not much to see or hear.
Jmo

Will his charges be read out at that time?

 

[ttjo]

Saturday the 24th is significant. MS is very upset. SS is upset and needs meds to calm himself down. JS forgot her meds on saturday.

Jmo

I agree

Source. Orange County Medical Examiner says Madeline Soto was strangled to death

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree View attachment 537500
Source. Orange County Medical Examiner says Madeline Soto was strangled to death

If I had a dollar for every paederast who stated that they didn't start it, that the kid came onto them, I'd have a pile of money. None of these creeps take responsibility for their actions.

MOO

 

[Poedelini]

Will his charges be read out at that time?

I have no idea.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I agree View attachment 537500
Source. Orange County Medical Examiner says Madeline Soto was strangled to death

Who is he implying started it??? Madeline? I wouldn't put that past him. MOO

 

[ttjo]

If I had a dollar for every paederast who stated that they didn't start it, that the kid came onto them, I'd have a pile of money. None of these creeps take responsibility for their actions.

MOO

Thats assuming he would say she started it.
On one hand, he gives such crazy excuses that if his excuse was thinking she came on to him I wouldnt be surprised.
although all the photos ? how can he say that? thats delusional.
I also think he could be referring to "someone else playing a role"

 

[ttjo]

Who is he implying started it??? Madeline? I wouldn't put that past him. MOO

either would I, but consider it in context of everything else. the sat call that rattled him, the talk about missed periods? pregnancy tests. police questioning all that.
I feel like they are poking around to find out what she was aware of.
I cant let go of this idea , that jenns birthday was coming up. She invited him , maybe hoping for something, gifts?? or just not celebrating alone? and Jenn is the one who creates a pregnancy scare, just to keep him in line?? the pregnancy thing may not even be real , but Jenn may have had a real fear? ( maddi never told me she got her period feb) IDK its a stretch but?
I dont know what would have rattled him so much that Saturday? Enough that she is dead within hours of him arriving. It's like something got out of hand.

 

[Pruddennce]

When Maddie did speak out to relatives, that she didn't want to go home, maybe the relatives thought "This is the little drama daughter of a drama mother, always lying like her mother does. So no reason for not bringing her back to her usually home, when demanded by JS."

I initially had that thought as well, gm just viewing Madeline's angst as regular behaviour between mother/daughter. but then there is JS's sister. she was best friends with one of the roommates. and that roommate, when asked by LE if she told anyone about the aloneness of SS and Madeline in the bedroom, she admitted she did tell JS's sister. but claims it wasnt an indepth conversation. this was answered on the heels of LE telling her they had a 'tip' she had knowledge of the relationship dynamics going on in the home.

Im not convinced there were not various conversations happening among the roommates and JS's family, or subsequent confrontations with JS at some point over the years. the one roommate repeatedly saying 'I stay in my business' I feel infers she had concerns more than that one instance. but, I also remind myself there is alot redacted and not released.

which is why IMO:

Chief Holland made a point to tell the public to report, even anonymously, if something causes concern for a child's safety. I believe there was a reason for her to say that.

 

[Mimimom]

The most logical and convenient plan for everyone would have been for Maddie to stay overnight at grandma's the night of the party.

So who insisted on SS being there? Was it JS or was it SS?

Maybe Maddie called SS telling him NOT to come and he showed up anyway, she resisted him, and she ends up dead?

jmo

Maybe Grandma didn't want Maddie to stay another night. There was no reason that JS needed help when she was going to be off work for a few days. She could rest / sleep while Maddie was in school if needed.

 

[ttjo]

I initially had that thought as well, gm just viewing Madeline's angst as regular behaviour between mother/daughter. but then there is JS's sister. she was best friends with one of the roommates. and that roommate, when asked by LE if she told anyone about the aloneness of SS and Madeline in the bedroom, she admitted she did tell JS's sister. but claims it wasnt an indepth conversation. this was answered on the heels of LE telling her they had a 'tip' she had knowledge of the relationship dynamics going on in the home.

Im not convinced there were not various conversations happening among the roommates and JS's family, or subsequent confrontations with JS at some point over the years. the one roommate repeatedly saying 'I stay in my business' I feel infers she had concerns more than that one instance. but, I also remind myself there is alot redacted and not released.

which is why IMO:

Chief Holland made a point to tell the public to report, even anonymously, if something causes concern for a child's safety. I believe there was a reason for her to say that.

You make a good point about the roommate and the sister being best friends, where a conversation would be more comfortable and things said easily.
I dont know if there was a Saturday call for sure, only going by CS word. and trying to figure out what would have him so rattled. Total speculation when we dont even know that its true. (but makes sense)
whatever happened, I think there was a catalyst and it escalated.
and yes some major parts are redacted like phone bills and autopsy reports.

and when you say this:
the one roommate repeatedly saying 'I stay in my business' I feel infers she had concerns more than that one instance. but, I also remind myself there is alot redacted and not released.
"Chief Holland made a point to tell the public to report, even anonymously, if something causes concern for a child's safety. I believe there was a reason for her to say that.

are you thinking a specific relative ( wink wink) may have told the police someone knows more?
would that have played a part in escalating the situation?

 

[JennieM]

Maybe Grandma didn't want Maddie to stay another night. There was no reason that JS needed help when she was going to be off work for a few days. She could rest / sleep while Maddie was in school if needed.

She even slept and rested to protect her mental health while Maddie was missing instead of looking for her so there’s that too. Shame there wasn’t much focus about Maddie’s mental health while she was alive.

 

[JennieM]

If I had a dollar for every paederast who stated that they didn't start it, that the kid came onto them, I'd have a pile of money. None of these creeps take responsibility for their actions.

MOO

I believe there’s evidence of him bribing her with tv time when she was 8 or so to put his #@## in her mouth.

 

[ttjo]

She even slept and rested to protect her mental health while Maddie was missing instead of looking for her so there’s that too. Shame there wasn’t much focus about Maddie’s mental health while she was alive.

Isnt that sad?
I can be drained and if something gets my adrenaline going, I am back on!!!! I know I wouldnt be able to sleep so I wouldnt even try, sleeping pills or not, I wouldnt take them either b/c Id be afraid I would miss something.

 

[Pruddennce]

Something I have never been able to put together is: even with a sleeping pill and some white noise from a “rain shower” on her BR TV, if JS slept with her door open so the cat could come and go (and her sleep was light enough to hear SS come use the bathroom), how did she not hear some of the various “activities” that occurred that night?

Someone going up and down the stairs with a heavy load?
Did the noises the housemate heard through the wall not also come through the ceiling?
She heard noises in the kitchen that morning, why not during the night when we think an outside door might have opened?

Also, if JS was still on her way home from work that Sunday night, how did she know SS arrived at her townhouse 10 minutes after Maddie got home? Unless she was there?

To me, I think further denial and untruths. OMO.

IMO, everything that JS claims she knows is not really her first hand recall of events. regurgitation of what SS told her and she accepted the task of repeating it beginning with the drop off story. their storylines are almost identical, except for a few mishaps for example, SS claimed he engaged several times throughout the morning with JS. she claims no, just the dog leash story. he says long pants, she says shorts.

you are correct. she wouldnt know SS arrived 10 minutes later, unless he texted or called JS or did Madeline text/call her, angry and upset?

I am confident LE has all of their electronic communications. we havent seen a chron and probably will not until trial.

when comparing JS's ability to recite most everything that SS said to her, where, what why, and that of interaction with Madeline and her arrival home interaction, its generic, a stark contrast. IMO, her arrival home didnt occur in that manner. I initially felt JS didnt see Madeline that nite because she can barely describe interaction with her. but its possible her lack of reiterating conversation with Madeline was not because she didnt see her that nite...its possible she had to present minimal details because she was involved in her demise and coverup, less said so as to not slip up. IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe there’s evidence of him bribing her with tv time when she was 8 or so to put his #@## in her mouth.

It was a mobile phone.

Everything about this guy was transactional. Nothing he offered Madeline in the way of attention or affection came for free. Which is one of the reasons I think him visiting at the time of her birthday isn't a coincidence.

MOO