Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

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[Gemmie]

Oh, that is creepy. Disturbing. Didn't get friend say they FaceTimed all the time (SS and MS)? Wouldn't surprise me to learn he had cameras he could remotely access -- "you're just so beautiful, I want to see you all the time". Maybe that's why she took hour long showers. It's the only place she felt safe.

JMO

I doubt she was safe in the bathroom even if she felt safe. A lock on a door isn't going to stop SS from hiding a camera in there, which I've brought up several times in the past I'll bet he did that in her personal spaces.

We know SS has filmed a few people on camera unbeknownst to them. A roommate of JS's and in one of his friends video interviews he videoed his friend's GF. Either in the bathroom, or coming out of the bathroom. I don't recall which.

 

[Gemmie]

And possibly felt "dirty"

Felt dirty? She WAS dirtied IMO after he touched her. Remember he doesn't take a lot of showers, or change his clothes often (we've discussed that in this thread), so she probably wanted to wash his stank off of her skin.

 

[Gemmie]

was this the picture drawn for her counsellor when she asked Maddi to draw how she feels? what month was this drawn?

I do not know why or when the drawing was done. It wasn't mentioned in the article that SS was taken from.

 

[Megnut]

I doubt she was safe in the bathroom even if she felt safe. A lock on a door isn't going to stop SS from hiding a camera in there, which I've brought up several times in the past I'll bet he did that in her personal spaces.

We know SS has filmed a few people on camera unbeknownst to them. A roommate of JS's and in one of his friends video interviews he videoed his friend's GF. Either in the bathroom, or coming out of the bathroom. I don't recall which.

You're right. She wasn't afforded any privacy, nothing stopping him.

 

[Pruddennce]

I do not know why or when the drawing was done. It wasn't mentioned in the article that SS was taken from.

was this the picture drawn for her counsellor when she asked Maddi to draw how she feels? what month was this drawn?

she didnt say when exactly. she has seen Madeline IIRC 6 times and was due to see her IIRC the day she was missing.

the counselor/teacher said Madeline did a scribbling all over which Madeline said was how she felt, the chaos, overwhelmed...dont know if that was separate from when she called JS.

what caused her concern was the writing of words along the lines of 'crying' and 'why' and then she was absent from school after that drawing. she called JS to find out if anything was going on. JS said Madeline was 'sick' and she was taking her to the doctor's. the teacher/counselor discussed with JS the drawings which the teacher/counselor was then assured by JS Madeline was getting outside help, weekly.

the one with explicit rendering, not sure when that drawing was done, if Madeline actually drew it (IMO, she did) and where that notebook was found specifically...it had an algebra equation on the same page.

 

[ttjo]

she didnt say when exactly. she has seen Madeline IIRC 6 times and was due to see her IIRC the day she was missing.

the counselor/teacher said Madeline did a scribbling all over which Madeline said was how she felt, the chaos, overwhelmed...dont know if that was separate from when she called JS.

what caused her concern was the writing of words along the lines of 'crying' and 'why' and then she was absent from school after that drawing. she called JS to find out if anything was going on. JS said Madeline was 'sick' and she was taking her to the doctor's. the teacher/counselor discussed with JS the drawings which the teacher/counselor was then assured by JS Madeline was getting outside help, weekly.

the one with explicit rendering, not sure when that drawing was done, if Madeline actually drew it (IMO, she did) and where that notebook was found specifically...it had an algebra equation on the same page.

Ok but probably during school, blows my theory up. ( or perhaps it was just wishful thinking on my prt ) that "summertime sadness" and "Ive got my eye on you", could have been about not seeing her school crush in the summer time.
I dont envy the schools position, there were some flags. The drawings of squiggly lines maddi said was chaos or anxiety attacks over feeling, over stimulated. They do the responsible thing, get maddi extra supports in school, counsellor, and inform the parents. ( jenn)
Seems like a lot of these issues were attributed to having ADHD even one of the teachers said she was behind , sometimes didnt finish her work and had low grades. she thought maddi felt overwhelmed because she couldnt keep up with the work. How are they supposed to know more? and without any other indicators they can only do so much without being intrusive. ( in this situation)
ADHD and trauma overlap so much.
I can just imagine that all of it was treated as ADHD, and Stephan played right along. ( although hes probably too dumb to know about trauma and ADHD)

 

[ttjo]

source:

ADHD and Complex Trauma

Article on "ADHD and Complex Trauma"

www.childdevelopmentclinic.com.au

and this is probably considered old info. They probably have even better research now.

 

[Gemmie]

Looks like the court filed a Pretrial Order yesterday. I wonder what this means? Could that be the interviews with Maddie's friends?

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[IzzyBlanche]

Stand your ground law? What the what?

 

[ttjo]

Stand your ground law? What the what?

Oh I have to look this up. Any lawyers here? could this be just a standard form?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That has to be just a standard form stating all the pretrial motions, there was no stand your ground going on here.

That could be, but the child hearsay seems oddly specific. IDK.

 

[ttjo]

Looks like the court filed a Pretrial Order yesterday. I wonder what this means? Could that be the interviews with Maddie's friends?

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I can never get on to that website.

 

[ttjo]

That could be, but the child hearsay seems oddly specific. IDK.

Yeah it sure does??? now I'm curious.

 

[Taffy550]

I think they are trying to get anything MS told her friends thrown out. joo and what I looked up the webs.

 

[PawneeDew]

I think they are trying to get anything MS told her friends thrown out. joo and what I looked up the webs.

From watching the video up-thread, ( hurt my heart to watch) Maddie had her own tribe.....

 

[PawneeDew]

I still need to know what we don't know.... We're missing something crucial, feels like. What happened that weekend and why was S.S. supposedly moving back in??? Just why. Maybe his movements will provide some info....Aaaaand, If JS knew about the sexual abuse, why did she let SS come back?!? How could J.S. not know! I wonder if Maddie really was seeing a therapist, and why would she not disclose to a therapist, at least?

 

[Gemmie]

I had to go look up what child hearsay was about. I found this but not sure it applies:

(23) HEARSAY EXCEPTION; STATEMENT OF CHILD VICTIM.—
(a) Unless the source of information or the method or circumstances by which the statement is reported indicates a lack of trustworthiness, an out-of-court statement made by a child victim with a physical, mental, emotional, or developmental age of 17 or less describing any act of child abuse or neglect, any act of sexual abuse against a child, the offense of child abuse, the offense of aggravated child abuse, or any offense involving an unlawful sexual act, contact, intrusion, or penetration performed in the presence of, with, by, or on the declarant child, not otherwise admissible, is admissible in evidence in any civil or criminal proceeding if:
1. The court finds in a hearing conducted outside the presence of the jury that the time, content, and circumstances of the statement provide sufficient safeguards of reliability. In making its determination, the court may consider the mental and physical age and maturity of the child, the nature and duration of the abuse or offense, the relationship of the child to the offender, the reliability of the assertion, the reliability of the child victim, and any other factor deemed appropriate; and
2. The child either:
a. Testifies; or
b. Is unavailable as a witness, provided that there is other corroborative evidence of the abuse or offense. Unavailability shall include a finding by the court that the child’s participation in the trial or proceeding would result in a substantial likelihood of severe emotional or mental harm, in addition to findings pursuant to s. 90.804(1).
(b) In a criminal action, the defendant shall be notified no later than 10 days before trial that a statement which qualifies as a hearsay exception pursuant to this subsection will be offered as evidence at trial. The notice shall include a written statement of the content of the child’s statement, the time at which the statement was made, the circumstances surrounding the statement which indicate its reliability, and such other particulars as necessary to provide full disclosure of the statement.
(c) The court shall make specific findings of fact, on the record, as to the basis for its ruling under this subsection.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[Gemmie]

And this...

Another thing to note is that the child hearsay rule provides a limited exception to the inadmissibility of hearsay evidence. The rule cannot be used to admit “hearsay within hearsay” or double hearsay. In other words, a person can testify that a child told them about an act of abuse. But a person could not testify as to what the child might have told a third party about abuse.

The Child Hearsay Rule in Florida

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[Gemmie]

This one is the easiest for me to understand:

As a general rule, hearsay evidence is not admissible in a Florida criminal trial. Hearsay is basically second-hand information.
...

There are, however, a number of exceptions to the hearsay rule in Florida law. One of the more notable ones involves statements made by a child victim to a third party. This exception frequently comes up in criminal prosecutions for child abuse and child sex crimes, so it is important to understand how it works.

Section 90.803 of the Florida Statutes establishes the child hearsay rule. The rule allows admission of an out-of-court statement made by a child to another person under the following conditions:

• the child has a physical, mental, emotional, or development age of 16 or younger;
• the child made a statement describing an act of abuse, neglect, or any unlawful sexual act on, involving, or in the child’s presence; and
• the child made the out-of-court statement to a person who is considered trustworthy; and
• the child testifies at the defendant’s trial, or if they are unavailable, there is other evidence presented to corroborate the child’s allegations.

The Child Hearsay Rule in Florida

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