Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[ttjo]

I still need to know what we don't know.... We're missing something crucial, feels like. What happened that weekend and why was S.S. supposedly moving back in??? Just why. Maybe his movements will provide some info....Aaaaand, If JS knew about the sexual abuse, why did she let SS come back?!? How could J.S. not know! I wonder if Maddie really was seeing a therapist, and why would she not disclose to a therapist, at least?

Everything Id like to know too. Sounds like jenn tells people what they want to hear we've heard that he moved out because he was offered a job from CS , and because Dad wasnt paying all the rent anymore. jenn told the cops it was because he was messy among other things. I bet she just wanted him around to help, and him being gone for a mere 2 month's made her realize how dependant she was on him. She says they were best friends. Thats the only think I can think of, cause they are not/were not in a traditional relationship.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

One question I have that I've never seen the slightest hint of an answer to.

JS said that SS was offered a job working in CS's company but it didn't work out. IIRC I think she said that this happened on two different occasions.

How does a job not work out if your father is the hiring manager?

And I don't recall CS saying anything of the sort.

 

[iamshadow21]

One question I have that I've never seen the slightest hint of an answer to.

JS said that SS was offered a job working in CS's company but it didn't work out. IIRC I think she said that this happened on two different occasions.

How does a job not work out if your father is the hiring manager?

And I don't recall CS saying anything of the sort.

Even a parent will fire their child if they don't show up for work, show up under the influence, have a bad attitude, break or steal inventory, etc. Not saying any of this happened in this specific case, but a hiring manager isn't a company owner, and they still have to answer to the bosses, especially if a hire is performing poorly.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

One question I have that I've never seen the slightest hint of an answer to.

JS said that SS was offered a job working in CS's company but it didn't work out. IIRC I think she said that this happened on two different occasions.

How does a job not work out if your father is the hiring manager?

And I don't recall CS saying anything of the sort.

Jenn says he was offered a job but it didnt work out, and dad says he was impressed with Stephans work at Disney ( something like that) and tried to get him back to north port to help set him up with a job, but inevitably that old work ethic came back and he was hard to get moving.
(Im paraphrasing for now ) but I will try to find the clip for you. it's in one of the interviews with dad.
The job offer was real.
** BUT**
It was also because Dad was not going to continue to pay the rent either, Stephan really didnt have much of a choice to leave. after a failed work attempt, he probably wasnt wanting to stay in north port with a bunch poodles and what he thinks are cranky parents, and probably why he was moving back, and she was going to help him " get on his feet" , because she cant get on hers, without him. ( MOO)
I think it was dads way of saying Im not supporting you anymore while you sit around and paint models.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Even a parent will fire their child if they don't show up for work, show up under the influence, have a bad attitude, break or steal inventory, etc. Not saying any of this happened in this specific case, but a hiring manager isn't a company owner, and they still have to answer to the bosses, especially if a hire is performing poorly.

MOO

Agreed. I was under the impression that CS was the owner of the company. Which of course may be completely inaccurate.

 

[Gemmie]

One question I have that I've never seen the slightest hint of an answer to.

JS said that SS was offered a job working in CS's company but it didn't work out. IIRC I think she said that this happened on two different occasions.

How does a job not work out if your father is the hiring manager?

And I don't recall CS saying anything of the sort.

A job can fall through for various reasons, even of your dad offered it to you. I believe it was construction or real estate? Either way, perhaps whoever hire his father decided it against going through with it for a variety of reasons. It happens. So if that's the case, the job would fall through for not only SS, but his father as well. JMO.

Fr Pg 112 of 896: The reason Stephan moved out of the home is because he was offered a job by his father; however, the job fell through, and he is trying to move back.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Jenn says he was offered a job but it didnt work out, and dad says he was impressed with Stephans work at Disney ( something like that) and tried to get him back to north port to help set him up with a job, but inevitably that old work habit came back. and he was hard to get moving,
(Im paraphrasing for now ) but I will try to find the clip for you. it's in one of the interviews with dad.
The job offer was real.

Please don't work to find the clip. It all stems from my impression that CS owned the company and therefore had leeway to hire anyone he wanted, which could well be a mistake on my part.

 

[ttjo]

Please don't work to find the clip. It all stems from my impression that CS owned the company and therefore had leeway to hire anyone he wanted, which could well be a mistake on my part.

Not sure if he owned the company, but sounds like he had the ability to hire/fire and I cant remember what the job was, but the reason it didnt work out was because Stephan was lazy basically. Dad did try on occasion to get Stephan on the right track but it was probably akin to pounding sand.

 

[iamshadow21]

Please don't work to find the clip. It all stems from my impression that CS owned the company and therefore had leeway to hire anyone he wanted, which could well be a mistake on my part.

Even if he did, a person doesn't keep a company by keeping on someone who doesn't want to work or who is creating an environment of hostility or bad morale, which inevitably happens when someone is kept on because of nepotism and the other employees have to do extra work to cover their failures. The same concept applies. It's bad for business to keep on someone like that, whatever their relation.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

A job can fall through for various reasons, even of your dad offered it to you. I believe it was construction or real estate? Either way, perhaps whoever hire his father decided it against going through with it for a variety of reasons. It happens. So if that's the case, the job would fall through for not only SS, but his father as well. JMO.

Fr Pg 112 of 896: The reason Stephan moved out of the home is because he was offered a job by his father; however, the job fell through, and he is trying to move back.

Thats funny, the job fell through, see how they twist stories around. Its a minor point but they do it all the time, they like to give answers that are open to interpretation, sort of like when SS asked maddi about McDonalds and "maddi wasnt interested anymore" that was his spin on her being dead she was not interested anymore. well no $h** Sherlock.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Even if he did, a person doesn't keep a company by keeping on someone who doesn't want to work or who is creating an environment of hostility or bad morale, which inevitably happens when someone is kept on because of nepotism and the other employees have to do extra work to cover their failures. The same concept applies. It's bad for business to keep on someone like that, whatever their relation.

MOO

With all due respect, I have been in the workforce for decades, and I have never seen a nepotism hire be let go for any valid reason, whether it was ineptitude or bad morale.

The rest of us just have to put up with them and roll our eyes.

 

[ttjo]

With all due respect, I have been in the workforce for decades, and I have never seen a nepotism hire be let go for any valid reason, whether it was ineptitude or bad morale.

The rest of us just have to put up with them and roll our eyes.

you know, I get the impression he never even needed to fire Stephan, it almost sounds like he never showed up to work. Maybe a few days ? but it sure didnt last long. They said he only came out of his room to eat. Thats the impression I got anyway.

 

[dalsglen]

What I find disturbing in the SS of the drawing in the link you posted (about summertime sadness) is this:

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Did she draw that because SHE has her eye on someone, or because someone (SS) has an eye on her at all times? Perhaps he's said that to her to keep her in line.

Pic source to keep things together: MSN

it's another lana del rey song. I honestly couldn't pick the lady out of a line up but apparently my kids music tastes have sunk in anyway.

 

[FromGermany1]

Ok but probably during school, blows my theory up. ( or perhaps it was just wishful thinking on my prt ) that "summertime sadness" and "Ive got my eye on you", could have been about not seeing her school crush in the summer time.
I dont envy the schools position, there were some flags. The drawings of squiggly lines maddi said was chaos or anxiety attacks over feeling, over stimulated. They do the responsible thing, get maddi extra supports in school, counsellor, and inform the parents. ( jenn)
Seems like a lot of these issues were attributed to having ADHD even one of the teachers said she was behind , sometimes didnt finish her work and had low grades. she thought maddi felt overwhelmed because she couldnt keep up with the work. How are they supposed to know more? and without any other indicators they can only do so much without being intrusive. ( in this situation)
ADHD and trauma overlap so much.
I can just imagine that all of it was treated as ADHD, and Stephan played right along. ( although hes probably too dumb to know about trauma and ADHD)

I wonder, how fGs Maddie was able to function as a student at all??!! If she had gotten drugged by SS, she had to be in a condition of "sobering up" every few days, not knowing herself about her feeling-unwell or why. How did the poor girl survive it for so long time?
How did her fellow students react to Maddie having counsellor support? I can imagine, this would have been also not funny to M and made her an outsider.

 

[ttjo]

it's another lana del rey song. I honestly couldn't pick the lady out of a line up but apparently my kids music tastes have sunk in anyway.

oh thats right, I forgot because that one is also called "say yes to heaven". I know Lana Del Ray is a very popular artist and Maddi just may have liked the music, this song " Ive got my eye on you/say yes to heaven" went viral on TikTok ( a piece of it anyway) but FWIW, I posted the meaning behind the lyrics according to this website anyway, (doesn't have to mean anything) . I love Carrie Underwood" before he cheats" and I've never taken a" Louisville slugger to both headlights" I just like the song.

Lana Del Rey's "Say Yes To Heaven" Is About Submission & Yearning

The 'Ultraviolence'-era cut includes a reference to an anti-war John Lennon song.

www.nylon.com

 

[Inthedetails]

Even if he did, a person doesn't keep a company by keeping on someone who doesn't want to work or who is creating an environment of hostility or bad morale, which inevitably happens when someone is kept on because of nepotism and the other employees have to do extra work to cover their failures. The same concept applies. It's bad for business to keep on someone like that, whatever their relation.

MOO

I've been assuming the job didn't work out because SS is as sluggish as they come, and I still think that is likely the reason. I am picturing not showing up for work, on repeat. "Sorry, I'm in a fog. I didn't sleep well. I don't do well with time and I'm in a fog and the vape store isn't open yet."

But now I'm thinking another possibility is that SS behaved inappropriately toward a female coworker, used drugs at work, or stole something. NO, there is NO evidence of that - I am pondering possible reasons for the job to an end apparently very quickly. It seems like he was shown the door fast.

It can take some time to fire a lazy worker, but if they are caught doing something specifically and actively wrong on the job - bam, they're out.

jmo

 

[Pruddennce]

I still need to know what we don't know.... We're missing something crucial, feels like. What happened that weekend and why was S.S. supposedly moving back in??? Just why. Maybe his movements will provide some info....Aaaaand, If JS knew about the sexual abuse, why did she let SS come back?!? How could J.S. not know! I wonder if Maddie really was seeing a therapist, and why would she not disclose to a therapist, at least?

a search warrant was executed for her medical records which included:

OPA Behavioral Health - page 48

https://www.scribd.com/document/761331151/24001809-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

the LE report narrative indicated she was diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety. is this where Madeline was supposedly going for weekly therapy sessions as JS told her teacher/counselor? Im confident LE knows the frequency. IMO, judging from the reports coming out of school, Madeline was not doing well emotionally. which leads me to believe she wasnt going for weekly sessions, probably just the required session, nothing indepth, just enough to maintain getting the prescription medication. IMO

page 51 - search warrant for gastro docs and pediatrician records

she was being SA for years.....and if she was "asleep" (IMO drugged) as some of the pic descriptions indicated she had to have been in physical pain when she woke up and told JS where she hurt. Im very curious about what those gastro doc(s) wrote in their reports....according to JS she admitted she had bleeding BUT DOESNT REMEMBER A "TEAR". (subpoena LE interview). its very likely she was misdiagnosed ..'constipation'. and Im curious about when her 'constipation' started, what age.

 

[lightofmine99]

How did her fellow students react to Maddie having counsellor support? I can imagine, this would have been also not funny to M and made her an outsider.

I was part of a coed support group for kids who lost a parent or sibling in elementary. We met once or twice a month and periodically had individual meetings. I don’t think what we were doing was a secret but it wasn't broadcasted. I didn’t mind telling peers what was going on; it’s not like they didn’t know I had a major loss (very small school). I didn't get made fun of at all or questioned too much. I think my classmates were more apprehensive than anything. MOO.

Would it have been broadcasted what MS was doing when she left to confer with the counselor? Or would MS have needed to tell her classmates what she was doing? MOO.

 

[Gemmie]

oh thats right, I forgot because that one is also called "say yes to heaven". I know Lana Del Ray is a very popular artist and Maddi just may have liked the music, this song " Ive got my eye on you/say yes to heaven" went viral on TikTok ( a piece of it anyway) but FWIW, I posted the meaning behind the lyrics according to this website anyway, (doesn't have to mean anything) . I love Carrie Underwood" before he cheats" and I've never taken a" Louisville slugger to both headlights" I just like the song.

Lana Del Rey's "Say Yes To Heaven" Is About Submission & Yearning

The 'Ultraviolence'-era cut includes a reference to an anti-war John Lennon song.

www.nylon.com

That makes total sense, but I'd think a preteen would pick out the parts of lyrics that have meaning to them, not just any part of a song. At least I would.

With that said... part of the song goes like this (BBM):

Let the fear you have fall away
… I've got my eye on you

 

[arielilane]

We interviewed the parents of Stephan Sterns. Sterns is charged w/ abusing & murdering 13-yr-old Maddie Soto. We share on Patreon our thoughts on the interview, the controversy, and why we feel this interview is so important.

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