FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[glamourkitty1922]

Because D escalated it from non-deadly force to deadly force. I have made my opinion very clear in earlier posts. I’m applying the law to the facts.

And the fact is that D was defending himself from a brutal assault that was caught on tape. I’m applying the law to the facts, and it's SELF DEFENSE. Just like the police say.

 

[Hraefn]

Another novel idea is not to break the law and physically assault people.

You realize verbal harassment is illegal as well, right?

 

[Hraefn]

Then why are you claiming that when D spoke to the woman, that gave M the right to violently slam him into the ground without a word?

I said the first part of SYG could apply to M’s actions the way the law is written. Personally I do not think M needed to get physical but I believe M may have felt he needed to. The law as written protects that. M did not exert deadly force so D should not have responded with deadly force. I think D was motivated by ego and bias.

 

[SeesSeas]

I was parallel responding to their post it’s not how I feel in every situation. If you choose to scream at someone and confront them aggressively rather than contact the actual authorities, then there may be consequences. If you don’t want to face the consequences then don’t start the altercation.

That's exactly what happened. Markeis faced the consequences of his violent slam to Drejka.

 

[Hraefn]

As far as the video shows, D wasn't screaming and being aggressive. So that leaves the woman in the car as the one screaming in anger at being told she was WRONG to park there. Something she wasn't willing to hear and that she believes gave M the RIGHT to viciously slam the poor older man to the ground.

How can you say D wasn’t but the woman was? <modsnip>

 

[kimlynn]

Ok, please post a link where telling someone they're in a handicapped slot is illegal. When you do, please post a link where it says that telling someone they're in a handicapped space allows someone to violently slam you to the concrete.

I didn't say or even imply that it was illegal.As a matter of fact I posted that it was wrong to park in a spot meant for a handicapped person.
Based on the video this happened because Markeis walked out of the store and witnessed a stranger near his family and felt the need to intercede and protect them.IMO

 

[Hraefn]

So did the sheriff.

Absolutely, as I stated earlier. I also stated that SYG laws allow for bias to control the outcome and I think the sheriff was biased as was D. I haven’t hidden my opinions on this.

 

[Hraefn]

And the fact is that D was defending himself from a brutal assault that was caught on tape. I’m applying the law to the facts, and it's SELF DEFENSE. Just like the police say.

The case is still under investigation if you would read the articles it makes it very clear. And police are not always right. They’re humans with biases.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I didn't say or even imply that it was illegal.As a matter of fact I posted that it was wrong to park in a spot meant for a handicapped person.
Based on the video this happened because Markeis walked out of the store and witnessed a stranger near his family and felt the need to intercede and protect them.IMO

You can't attack a person for being near your family, that is not reasonable. You can act to defend yourself if you are attacked, especially in as brutal a manner as what D received. He's lucky to have survived the encounter with such a dangerous person. Reasonable people see the video and realized the attack was brutal and unprovoked.

 

[SeesSeas]

Absolutely, as I stated earlier. I also stated that SYG laws allow for bias to control the outcome and I think the sheriff was biased as was D. I haven’t hidden my opinions on this.

What are your reasons why you "think the sheriff was biased"?

 

[Hraefn]

You can't attack a person for being near your family, that is not reasonable. You can act to defend yourself if you are attacked, especially in as brutal a manner as what D received. He's lucky to have survived the encounter with such a dangerous person. Reasonable people see the video and realized the attack was brutal and unprovoked.

I think it’s clear that your and my definitions of reasonable wouldn’t at all resemble each other. Which is why SYG is a subjective law with no place in civilized society.

 

[Trident]

Absolutely, as I stated earlier. I also stated that SYG laws allow for bias to control the outcome and I think the sheriff was biased as was D. I haven’t hidden my opinions on this.

Bias, it's always bias when someone breaking the law meets a bad end. Please.

I'm heading to bed now, you guys have a wonderful evening.

 

[kimlynn]

You can't attack a person for being near your family, that is not reasonable. You can act to defend yourself if you are attacked, especially in as brutal a manner as what D received. He's lucky to have survived the encounter with such a dangerous person. Reasonable people see the video and realized the attack was brutal and unprovoked.

So your implication is that I'm unreasonable because I don't see the video in the same light as you.
Did I say you could attack due to proximity? I posted that ( IMO and based on the video ) he felt the need to intercede and protect his family.
It wasn't brutal or unprovoked. It was a shove to move him away from his family.

 

[Hraefn]

Bias, it's always bias when someone breaking the law meets a bad end. Please.

I'm heading to bed now, you guys have a wonderful evening.

It’s definitely not always bias. But when it’s SYG, which allows bias to control the outcome, it very often is bias. That’s how the law is written. That’s part of its purpose.

 

[Jackeee]

What did the bystanders hear? There were people going in and out of the store, as per the video. Did they hear yelling, screaming, loud voices, threats? I know one man heard a gunshot because of his reaction, but prior to that, was there any concern?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

What did the bystanders hear? There were people going in and out of the store, as per the video. Did they hear yelling, screaming, loud voices, threats? I know one man heard a gunshot because of his reaction, but prior to that, was there any concern?

From what I understood from the press conference, there were several witnesses. None of the witnesses heard any threats of violence or harm. Evidently they were very loud, and loud enough for witnesses to hear. One witness went into the store and told the manager he needs to do something about the argument in the parking lot. I think Markeis heard the witness and that's when he walked out of the store.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I said the first part of SYG could apply to M’s actions the way the law is written. Personally I do not think M needed to get physical but I believe M may have felt he needed to. The law as written protects that. M did not exert deadly force so D should not have responded with deadly force. I think D was motivated by ego and bias.

Really? You're saying that D had to DIE before he was able to use his gun to defend himself? No, you don't have to submit to a beating. He was brutally attacked, which is shown on the video and the police see it as well. It was self defense.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I think it’s clear that your and my definitions of reasonable wouldn’t at all resemble each other. Which is why SYG is a subjective law with no place in civilized society.

No, men like M who brutally attack other people for no other reason than stupid pride have no place in civilized society. However, as long as they are here, we need SYG.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

So your implication is that I'm unreasonable because I don't see the video in the same light as you.
Did I say you could attack due to proximity? I posted that ( IMO and based on the video ) he felt the need to intercede and protect his family.
It wasn't brutal or unprovoked. It was a shove to move him away from his family.

It was both brutal and cowardly since it came from behind. M was a coward and he gave D no quarter. He probably would have killed the man for telling that woman she was parked in a handicapped spot. That is reprehensible and this is a sterling example why we need the SYG law as well as CCW permits.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

No, men like M who brutally attack other people for no other reason than stupid pride have no place in civilized society. However, as long as they are here, we need SYG.

Holy moly! I wish it had ended differently.